Bevell

[WilsonMVP]

I think this was his best game so far - 41 rushes, 24 passes.

And not alot of 5 wide and shotgun formations....

At least it didnt seem like it..I could be wrong

Although, with the run game picking up positive yards almost every play....its hard to fail on offense. The Passing offense still isnt that great. Only reason we seem any good is because Wilson can escape 4-5 sacks and make great plays and extend plays to where they cant cover anymore.

THe actual design of passing plays is pretty poor and has been said as much by the media and pointed out on here

 

[captSE]

The Beast definitely had his best game. Go team!

 

[Ozzy]

I'm not a Bevell fan but thought he did a good job today. Much better than in previous weeks for sure.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

PS. Why is Josh McDaniels a bum as a head coach, but a genius as the Patriot's OC? Gee, do you think it has more to do with who he's coaching with and QB than his amazing sophisticated schemes and plays?

This right here. Crazy how McDaniels all of a sudden became an AMAZING OC. Almost like there is some sort of correlation in there.

A huge component of McDaniel's firing was his personnel decisions. He spent 1st rounders on Tim Tebow, Robert Ayers, and Knowshon Moreno. Also sacrificed a future 1st, which became Earl Thomas, for Alphonso Smith.

Yeah but why didn't his amazing OC skills, schemes and sophisticated plays turn lemons into lemonade.

Isn't that what you guys are asking of Bevell? Hey Bevell, use this all time horrific O-line that doesn't give Russell more than half a second to drop back and pass 70% of them time, with a mediocre WR core with a bunch of short dudes..........and a TE that can catch but can't block to save his life..............and work your sophisticated magic!

Is Bevell the best OC in the league? No. Does he deserve to be crucified on this forum week after week, year after year for the shortcomings of his players and limited plays his QB can run successfully? Hell to the no.

 

[scutterhawk]

If we can run the ball, we're fine. If Bevell is forced to come up with new and inventive ways to get players open, he struggles. To me that translates to a deficiency at OC. He's not creative and he doesn't know or is unwilling to cater to the strengths of our personnel.

There is a light switch by the door.
There's a lot of you playing whack a mole at trying to figure out why Bevell has been calling for more passing plays lately, and you're kind of skimming over the reason why.
Could it maybe be, that Bevell KNEW that Lynch wasn't feeling up to snuff, and had no other options?
I caught that when Wilson said he was glad to have Marshawn back, as it's he, (Marshawn) is the one that should be running the ball.
Bevell IS pretty much "Catering To The Strengths Of Our Personel" ,when said "Personel" is healthy.
I'm NOT a fan to MOST of Bevell's play calls, but some times ya gotta be realistic with the expectations.
I noticed Pete going over and saying something to Tom Cable ,and then soon after, the O-Line opened a nice hole for Marshawn Lynch to run through... My point?, not all of the plays that go sour are on Bevell.

 

[CodeWarrior]

If we can run the ball, we're fine. If Bevell is forced to come up with new and inventive ways to get players open, he struggles. To me that translates to a deficiency at OC. He's not creative and he doesn't know or is unwilling to cater to the strengths of our personnel.

There is a light switch by the door.
There's a lot of you playing whack a mole at trying to figure out why Bevell has been calling for more passing plays lately, and you're kind of skimming over the reason why.
Could it maybe be, that Bevell KNEW that Lynch wasn't feeling up to snuff, and had no other options?
I caught that when Wilson said he was glad to have Marshawn back, as it's he, (Marshawn) is the one that should be running the ball.
Bevell IS pretty much "Catering To The Strengths Of Our Personel" ,when said "Personel" is healthy.
I'm NOT a fan to MOST of Bevell's play calls, but some times ya gotta be realistic with the expectations.
I noticed Pete going over and saying something to Tom Cable ,and then soon after, the O-Line opened a nice hole for Marshawn Lynch to run through... My point?, not all of the plays that go sour are on Bevell.

I'm not criticizing Bevell for his run/pass selections. I'm criticizing his play designs. They stink. If I have time this weekend I'll put together a writeup as to why.

 

[sutz]

If we can run the ball, we're fine. If Bevell is forced to come up with new and inventive ways to get players open, he struggles. To me that translates to a deficiency at OC. He's not creative and he doesn't know or is unwilling to cater to the strengths of our personnel.

You mean creative like a halfback pass to the QB, then a bomb for a TD?

That's about as creative as porn. It's obvious and vulgar. Like porn, it gets the job done in the short term, but you want to find something a little more sophisticated to rely on.

Obviously, you're using the wrong porn. :laugh:

On a more serious note, I liked the creativity we been showing, but face it. Without a good running threat, deep passes and yes, trick plays take a while to develop and our 1 second and done O-line hasn't allowed a lot of time yet this season. We threw deep several times, showed a little creativity, score a few points (though I still want more scores in the 4th qtr).

I'm basically happy, but with a couple of criticisms. A win is a win.

 

[kearly]

I thought he did mostly fine.

My only critique of Bevell this game is that he kept calling deep / developing pass plays despite the fact that Gilliam and Bailey couldn't stop anyone and weren't getting any help. It was almost as if the coaching staff was going trial by fire mode on pass pro, and the result was a sack rate around 15% for the game. I didn't like seeing Wilson taking that many hits, especially with a win looking like a forgone conclusion by mid-2nd quarter.

 

[hawknation2015]

I thought he did mostly fine.

My only critique of Bevell this game is that he kept calling deep / developing pass plays despite the fact that Gilliam and Bailey couldn't stop anyone and weren't getting any help. It was almost as if the coaching staff was going trial by fire mode on pass pro, and the result was a sack rate around 15% for the game. I didn't like seeing Wilson taking that many hits, especially with a win looking like a forgone conclusion by mid-2nd quarter.

Bailey struggled, per usual, but Gilliam did alright when he was playing.

 

[CodeWarrior]

Wilson could help this OL (and Bevell) out a lot with more astute presnap protection adjustments. A simple stunt seems to befuddle our interior OL, especially Britt. When the stunt happens, Britt seems to think this means it's time to move to the second level. Usually just results in an unblocked DT/DE on Wilson. Sweezy also guilty of this.

 

[Cartire]

I thought he did mostly fine.

My only critique of Bevell this game is that he kept calling deep / developing pass plays despite the fact that Gilliam and Bailey couldn't stop anyone and weren't getting any help. It was almost as if the coaching staff was going trial by fire mode on pass pro, and the result was a sack rate around 15% for the game. I didn't like seeing Wilson taking that many hits, especially with a win looking like a forgone conclusion by mid-2nd quarter.

I dont think there were that many deep plays called. There were a few, but any less, and then it would have been, "I dont think he took enough shots deep"... All the underneath was being swallowed constantly. If you force RW to step up in the pocket, (which leads to a 90% chance he'll run) you cut his vision off underneath. So teams are playing contain only. The DE's RARELY stunt inside, unless its on a bad block. They just rush the outside and either wait for RW to spin backwards or let him step into the pocket and take off (with a spy usually watching).

 

[edogg23]

3 points in the second half against an opponent that had given up does not give me much of a warm fuzzy feeling going into next week. The 49ers were pretty much begging us to blow them out and we still only managed to put up 20 points. I'm happy we won but I wouldn't put much stock in the win that our offense is now on track.

I still want Bevell gone.

 

[mrt144]

I thought he did mostly fine.

My only critique of Bevell this game is that he kept calling deep / developing pass plays despite the fact that Gilliam and Bailey couldn't stop anyone and weren't getting any help. It was almost as if the coaching staff was going trial by fire mode on pass pro, and the result was a sack rate around 15% for the game. I didn't like seeing Wilson taking that many hits, especially with a win looking like a forgone conclusion by mid-2nd quarter.

I feel like this whole season is a bet on how well a lack of investment can play in the NFL. Set a low water mark so to speak

 

[Siouxhawk]

Bevell called a great game ... as he had all along. Run game is the engine that drives this team.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

I thought he did mostly fine.

My only critique of Bevell this game is that he kept calling deep / developing pass plays despite the fact that Gilliam and Bailey couldn't stop anyone and weren't getting any help. It was almost as if the coaching staff was going trial by fire mode on pass pro, and the result was a sack rate around 15% for the game. I didn't like seeing Wilson taking that many hits, especially with a win looking like a forgone conclusion by mid-2nd quarter.

He also left Wilson out to dry on that 3rd and long sack, by not giving him any blitz-beater routes. The league is blitzing us freely and Bevell just isn't any help to him.

 

[Cartire]

I thought he did mostly fine.

My only critique of Bevell this game is that he kept calling deep / developing pass plays despite the fact that Gilliam and Bailey couldn't stop anyone and weren't getting any help. It was almost as if the coaching staff was going trial by fire mode on pass pro, and the result was a sack rate around 15% for the game. I didn't like seeing Wilson taking that many hits, especially with a win looking like a forgone conclusion by mid-2nd quarter.

He also left Wilson out to dry on that 3rd and long sack, by not giving him any blitz-beater routes. The league is blitzing us freely and Bevell just isn't any help to him.

Wait, RW all of a sudden cant audible anymore when he sees a blitz? You seem to have a very inside scoop on what Bevell "allows" RW to do.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

I thought he did mostly fine.

My only critique of Bevell this game is that he kept calling deep / developing pass plays despite the fact that Gilliam and Bailey couldn't stop anyone and weren't getting any help. It was almost as if the coaching staff was going trial by fire mode on pass pro, and the result was a sack rate around 15% for the game. I didn't like seeing Wilson taking that many hits, especially with a win looking like a forgone conclusion by mid-2nd quarter.

He also left Wilson out to dry on that 3rd and long sack, by not giving him any blitz-beater routes. The league is blitzing us freely and Bevell just isn't any help to him.

Wait, RW all of a sudden cant audible anymore when he sees a blitz? You seem to have a very inside scoop on what Bevell "allows" RW to do.

It's not about audibling. The play design either didn't have any such options to begin with, or had very poorly designed ones that were easily covered.

 

[Hawk-A-Loogie]

Should we be worried that we only scored 3 points in the 2nd half? Opposed to 17 in the first? I'm not trying to start anything. Just wondering what everyone else thinks.

 

[LymonHawk]

Why do you folks think our not beating the blitz is Bevell's fault? Try blitzing on Manning, Rodgers, or Brady and see how you do? You think it's because of snappy play calling, or is it the fact they are all QBs who aren't afraid to make GOOD snap decisions and aren't afraid to act on those decisions.

RW on the other hand....

 

[Cartire]

I thought he did mostly fine.

My only critique of Bevell this game is that he kept calling deep / developing pass plays despite the fact that Gilliam and Bailey couldn't stop anyone and weren't getting any help. It was almost as if the coaching staff was going trial by fire mode on pass pro, and the result was a sack rate around 15% for the game. I didn't like seeing Wilson taking that many hits, especially with a win looking like a forgone conclusion by mid-2nd quarter.

He also left Wilson out to dry on that 3rd and long sack, by not giving him any blitz-beater routes. The league is blitzing us freely and Bevell just isn't any help to him.

Wait, RW all of a sudden cant audible anymore when he sees a blitz? You seem to have a very inside scoop on what Bevell "allows" RW to do.

It's not about audibling. The play design either didn't have any such options to begin with, or had very poorly designed ones that were easily covered.

How could you possibly know this? This is entirely speculation as you have no idea what is in the playbook. You, like many, have to have someone to blame. You cant blame the "team" because its not cathartic enough. You need a single person. Its ridiculous. Especially when there are so many moving cogs.

You dont know what audibles were built in. You can assume all you want. But you dont know if they werent there, or they werent called, or they werent executed properly. You just cant know unless you are in that meeting room come Monday.