Why no Harbaugh interview?!?!?

[RiverDog]

Not a lecture, a suggestion.

Call it what you like, it's unsolicited personal advice and not part of the subject material.

 

[RiverDog]

Fair enough, but is that the norm? How much of it was fueled by Harbaugh being their division rival?

The answer to your first question is probably not, but then again, it doesn't take very many of those types of difficulties to create a locker room problem. The answer to your second question is almost certainly none.

Sherman and Baldwin are known for being a bit headstrong, themselves. Which I loved.

Either way, I'm not really seeing a pattern. It's also possible Harbaugh has matured over the years, unless we can find any Michigan players willing to make comments similar to Sherman and Baldwin.

I don't know if it's a pattern or not. Lots of teams are pretty good about not airing out their dirty laundry. Nearly all players start out as a default liking or at least respecting their coaches. Something has to happen, either with them or the coach, to change that dynamic. Plus, for the most part, and to his credit, Harbaugh's teams have won, and as we all know, winning cures a lot of evils.

Baldwin and Sherman played for Harbaugh over 15 years ago so they may not be a great example. Harbaugh may have changed since then. But the point is that he has had at least some problems with players in the past and that it's a significant concern that we shouldn't ignore.

 

[Welshers2]

Really?

Dude cut his own salary to give his assistants bonuses. Sounds like a good guy to me.

 

[SeaWolv]

Call it what you like, it's unsolicited personal advice and not part of the subject material.

 

[fenderbender123]

Call it what you like, it's unsolicited personal advice and not part of the subject material.

Unsolicited advice is there to take or leave. No reason to hate it.

 

[chris98251]

You really have two guys that are a lot alike in the process, Belichick and Harbaugh, both are black and white no BS no compromise, no tolerance for Media and or not being all in on THEIR program. They want control to manage things how they sit fit and rules, well sometimes those are bent or ignored due to how them seeing it as a control of their systems.

That and based on history you're not breaking rules if you don't get caught......

 

[RiverDog]

Unsolicited advice is there to take or leave. No reason to hate it.

There's no need for it as it does nothing to contribute to the discussion.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

It's certainly debatable if he's the premiere guy. Obviously the media thinks he is or they wouldn't be salivating over this drama every year. As for your "failure" comment I'm not sure what you're referring to since Harbaugh has been successful every where he's coached.

Not in San Francisco. Not to the level we want.

 

[SeaWolv]

There's no need for it as it does nothing to contribute to the discussion.

Like this does:

It is a matter of principal. I'll become a fan of smething else before I relent to this NFL business model.

All I can say is that you might as well get used to it. Don't be surprised to see Fox and/or CBS put one of their high-profile games on their streaming services.
When rape is inevitable, you might as well relax and enjoy it.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Not in San Francisco. Not to the level we want.

He has a better playoff record than any of the other coach's we're interviewing. So this probably isn't the best metric to use.

Not sure what you guys are debating, no way in hell Schneider's hiring Harbaugh. He just got rid of a total control freak my way or the highway coach.

 

[SeaWolv]

Not in San Francisco. Not to the level we want.

He was there from 2011-2014 and in that time they went 14-4 (NFCCG), 14-5 (SB), 14-5 (NFCCG) and then 8-8. How is that not successful enough??

 

[knownone]

Would you rather have JS + [Insert Your Coach] or Jim Harbaugh + [Insert Your GM]?

 

[Maulbert]

Because John Schneider is smarter than you. **** Jim Harbaugh.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

He has a better playoff record than any of the other coach's we're interviewing. So this probably isn't the best metric to use.

Not sure what you guys are debating, no way in hell Schneider's hiring Harbaugh. He just got rid of a total control freak my way or the highway coach.

I'm using the exact same reasoning that everyone used to justify kicking Pete to the curb. Super Bowl or nothing. Playoffs aren't enough.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I'm using the exact same reasoning that everyone used to justify kicking Pete to the curb. Super Bowl or nothing. Playoffs aren't enough.

IMO playoff wins and SB's are a byproduct of things like culture, identity and team/coaching staff building. It's not something you just demand without the afore mentioned success building blocks.

That's what Pete failed to re-create since our SB appearances. Again, as much as I think Harbaugh excels at all of the above, he is a very poor fit for the direction Schneider and Jody want to take the team. They certainly don't want to get into bed with another alpha male total control coach.

 

[SeaWolv]

IMO playoff wins and SB's are a byproduct of things like culture, identity and team/coaching staff building. It's not something you just demand without the afore mentioned success building blocks.

That's what Pete failed to re-create since our SB appearances. Again, as much as I think Harbaugh excels at all of the above, he is a very poor fit for the direction Schneider and Jody want to take the team. They certainly don't want to get into bed with another alpha male total control coach.

He may not fit the mold as to where they want to take the team and I understand if there's baggage that can't be overcome. I for one am not advocating he come to Seattle as I prefer him where he is. Every coach is an alpha but I do agree with your total control assessment, that makes Harbaugh in Seattle a no go.

 

[chris98251]

He may not fit the mold as to where they want to take the team and I understand if there's baggage that can't be overcome. I for one am not advocating he come to Seattle as I prefer him where he is. Every coach is an alpha but I do agree with your total control assessment, that makes Harbaugh in Seattle a no go.

We had Tom Flores here, he was head coach but in no way an Alpha personality.

 

[SeaWolv]

We had Tom Flores here, he was head coach but in no way an Alpha personality.

That would most likely make him an outlier.

 

[Maelstrom787]

1. John probably wants a guy he can actually work with. Harbaugh is a good coach and all, but he's not exactly easy to work with as a general manager. John would be signing away his organizational control, and likely his job.

2. Jody Allen's directive, per John, was to protect the culture. The positive culture that Pete brought to the team. Jim is a hard-nosed "I've read The Art of War 763 times" type.

@Sun Tzu I just want to point out that I just realized how funny you liking this post is

 

[Maelstrom787]

Pretty sure the culture is part of winning. Treat players right and you'll get better buy in, better free agents, the occasional hometown discount.

Huge part of it. No one's winning if you lose buy-in from the heads of the organization, your general manager, or your roster. Changing a culture at break-neck speed from one of positivity and belief to one of a more authoritarian one probably isn't advisable.

If we had like, Tom Coughlin as our outgoing coach or something, I could see it working. But Jim feels like a little too much too quick if we're keeping John on.

That's just speculation, though. Obviously I am not privy to how these people actually interact with one another. Just my guess. Jim seems to have softened his edges and it's served him well, and John wasn't always dealing with freakishly positive dudes like Carroll. Who knows?

My guess is that Jim wouldn't want to come here unless he could pick his GM and have Jody and Bert straight up leave him alone, and that's the bigger reason it probably won't happen.