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The ol Seahawks excuse. Blame the OL never the QB. The excuse we have been using since 2012
It's a very valid excuse when you consider. PC has never prioritized the O line.
When you're bringing in a Jason Peters ... Don't know what else can Be said! That was a huge reach!

That was a big reason R W was sacked so much. When he got the big money o line is where they cut corners financially.
Add tthe fact that he frequently held the ball too long trying to be the hero half of those sax were on him!
 

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I do think we were spoiled by Russ for a long time so we(myself included) are probably expecting a little too much from Geno. I know people don’t like to hear it but Russ was truly in the conversation for the best QB in football for a large chunk of his time here and it’s rarer than we probably realize. Not excusing Geno as I’ve been pretty critical of him dating back to last year but thinking about it I’m not sure I’m being all that fair about the situation.
 

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Again fair enough. Geno has had long stretches of playing very good football and I think he can be and is a solid NFL QB. He’s struggling now but it wouldn’t shock me if he goes on a tear either. Waldron and Pete need to figure it out

A lot of the Geno debate I think comes from the Wilson debate. People who hated Wilson want Geno to succeed so badly because they can they say “Russ sucked and it was all Pete” and people who loved Russ don’t want Geno to be elite because in their mind it takes away from how good Russ was. Not saying this is you or me but just in general I think it drives some of the goofy Geno dialogue. I’m rambling but that’s my weird theory

I dont think any sane fan believes Geno is anywhere near as good as Wilson in his prime. Thats just silly. I believe there are fans that believe Pete resurrected Geno into a top notch NFL QB while others didnt buy into the fools gold and still see Geno as he's always been. Geno isnt awful. He's not. He does have obvious limitations that hold the team back though.
 

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It's a very valid excuse when you consider. PC has never prioritized the O line.

SHHHH! I said this before and got crucified. Fans blamed Wilson and not Pete. Just trying to save you from the lashing you'll get.
 

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I dont think any sane fan believes Geno is anywhere near as good as Wilson in his prime.
Today alone, I have seen people call Geno a Top 5 QB on this website. So, yes, I do think people on this site believe Geno is equal to or better than Wilson. And honestly, it's because of the fallout. Seahawk fans were burned by Russell so now the norm is to alter history and change his importance to the team, or downplay his achievements.
 

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I think it's a scheme type of guy issue where i always see teams that have a bunch of 345 pounders smack us around and we've gone light and a heavy or two but never really gone big heavy's on both side because omg they have to be athletic , I have always been of the ilk that if you want to move a mountain you bring a bigger or smarter mountain to move said mountain
I am officially tired of that as we got smoked by so many past teams going that route (not so big but mobile and athletic)when we thought , hey , we are pretty good and then get smoked bad like today
I told the wife b4 we went to the nieces place where everyone in the fam was invited
If we're gonna get roasted by a team that's really better than we are I'd rather be around family as opposed to wallow in my omg we suck mancave
Anyway , it was a goodtime had by all but the seahawks and maybe me
I won't say we're anything till we some games that matter as we can surely beat the crap outta bad teams but we don't have to many left on our sched
 

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I disagree completely. He sucked big time. Watch a real franchise qb play. Geno is nowhere near close to that. Today of all days should have dispelled that myth, regardless of the o-line. Good to great qbs find a way to make plays, period.
Great ones do, but good ones don't often when things are bad around them. Even a great pocket QB won't very often when things break down. Mobile guys can save you, but most are shit from the pocket. The number of QBs who can do both and make stuff happen when things are bad, is less than 5.
You have to build a good enough TEAM to win with a very good QB like Geno is when protected, because the odds of getting a truly great QB are slim to none. You can draft and hope, but there's no reason to get rid of Geno until you find a better option. They won't have to pay him much going forward.
 

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Both lines got demolished today.To beat that team the sputtering back and forth of the whole team needed to be cleaned up.
 

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It's a very valid excuse when you consider. PC has never prioritized the O line.
When you're bringing in a Jason Peters ... Don't know what else can Be said! That was a huge reach!
Yeah, Pete hasn't prioritized the OL at all. Well, aside from the four first-round picks (Cross, Okung, Carpenter, Ifedi), three second-round picks (Unger, Britt, Pocic), four third-round picks (Lucas, Lewis, Moffitt, Odhiambo), and a plethora of later-round picks and free agent signings/trades (Duane Brown, Joeckel, Gallery, Evan Brown, Giacomini, Fluker, Webb, Blythe, Shell, Polumbus, Finney, Ogbuhei, Iupati, Gabe Jackson, etc). We've invested plenty of capital into the line, there's just been too many misses.
 

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To my eye, Geno has not been playing the same this year since he got that hip drop tackle out of bounds. Lock came out and ran the offense down the field. I felt great seeing our back up step in and complete the drive for a TD.

Geno's playing scared or over thinking it. Or whatever you want to call it. PC can't stop Geno from turning the wrong way into a sack. Waldron can't stop Geno from locking on to his receivers and allowing interceptions to happen.

Maybe he needs to talk to a therapist or something. But he's got a case of the yips!
 
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Guess what, when the offense goes three and out, or turns it over, time and time again, every defense will struggle.
Yep and you can blame those 3 and outs on terrible run blocking, and horrendous pass protection. Not to mention , costly Penaties that put us I'm 2nd and 3rd and longs all day....
 

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Absolutely wrong.

It's not benching him like it will solve the problems. But he is more mobile and we have to decide if he could be the QB of the future. Geno will never win a SB. He locks on receivers and he fumbles. Need to move on and need to see if Lock could be the guy.
Well said
 

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There's really nothing else to be said. I think many of us know what Geno is. Above average when he's on and the O Line is in sync. Pretty bad when he's off. But, Pete didn't even have the nuts to let Lock play at the end when the game was way out of hand.
 

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Today alone, I have seen people call Geno a Top 5 QB on this website. So, yes, I do think people on this site believe Geno is equal to or better than Wilson. And honestly, it's because of the fallout. Seahawk fans were burned by Russell so now the norm is to alter history and change his importance to the team, or downplay his achievements.
I would say a ton of Seahawks fans and many on here would say Geno is equal or better than Wilson which is absolutely bizarre to me. I know people hate Wilson for the end and they have a right to but he was so good during his prime. We were spoiled.
 

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Geno at his very best isn't even in the same stratosphere of Russ in his first 8 or 9 seasons. It's not even close, and it's pretty funny that people are STILL trying to convince themselves otherwise. Still.
Hating a guy doesn't change the facts. Kind of strange to still be talking about it after all the time and with what are seeing from Geno. It's great that he's gone and we fleeced Denver, that SHOULD be more than good enough. But, to each his/her own.
 

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There's really nothing else to be said. I think many of us know what Geno is. Above average when he's on and the O Line is in sync. Pretty bad when he's off. But, Pete didn't even have the nuts to let Lock play at the end when the game was way out of hand.
Yep. Geno is an outstanding QB if he has a great O-line that is opening holes for RBs and giving him 3+ second clean pockets consistently.

If he doesn't have that, Geno cannot function. Many average QBs can at least maintain a functional level of play, even when they do kinda suck under those circumstances. Geno completely falls apart.

For all his talk of desiring a physical team with a strong running game, PC has utterly failed in ever building a solid O-line.

He loved RW because RW was one of the best ever at negating the weakness of a crappy O-line. Prime RW covered up PCs incompetence. This board is full of revisionism, but that is the truth.

Geno's play correlates almost perfectly with O-line play on this team. Since we can have no expectation of consistently average or above O-line play, there is no way we can expect to have consistent play from Geno.

Geno + PC is not a good combination.

I expect the same exact thing we've seen for almost a decade - consistent mediocrity (via usually beating bad teams and mostly losing to good teams, sometimes in embarrassing fashion) and a 80%+ chance of playoffs with no hope of actually doing anything once there.

Many posters here saw.this well before I did, but I now see what they've been saying all along.
 

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Not saying he doesn't have his moments, but to call for his benching for Lock is just plain asinine. Even fans of other teams can see the obvious issues on this team and that is the OLine. I called for lineman in the draft , they picked skill players. And today you see why that was two dumb ass picks. Both very good players no doubt, but not what we needed. Our problems are:

Interior OLin
Interior DLine
Head coach
Both coordinators

Fix the OLine issues and Geno is a top 5 QB.


Good take! Does anyone remember the TB vs KC Super Bowl? KCs line completly broke down and Mahomes was running for his life the whole game. Patrick Mahomes! He had a terrible game. That's what happens to the best of em with a bad O line
 
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