What do you think of Gary Kubiak for future OC?

[Pandion Haliaetus]

Every one shoots me down when I bring up Holmgren for future OC. Who I think would be a solid fit and whose ideals would patch up to what I think some of our obvious offensive weaknesses to be: No Power Running game, Red Zone struggles, Utilizing the Short to Intermediate passing game effectively into points, poor overall discipline, and getting maximum execution from the most predictable calls.

Which leads to Kubiak, when Houston's offense was running on all cylinders that last couple of years, it was amongst the league's best and perhaps most balanced offenses. Kubiak also shares a lot of the same WCO philosophies as Carroll as GK was 49ers QB coach in 1994, then spent a decade or so with Mike Shanahan as his OC before going to the Texans.

And by same philosophies, I mean: Deeply rooted in Gibb's ZBS, Reliance on a Strong Rushing Attack with workhorse RBs, Building WCO style passing attacks off of Play Action, Utilization of multiple targets and intricate formations. And no deepfield passing wasn't GK bread and butter approach to scoring but he'll take the shots whe the opportunities presented themselves. But to be fair, Matt Schaub was also more Matt Hasselbeck than Brett Farve in terms deep field arm strength.

Also, remember, Kubiak coached Steve Young during SFO's last Championship run, he also had John Elway for some years including his two Championship runs. So, I think he'll be able to utilize Wilson's skill set to its fullest potential if he were to land with the Seahawks.

And of course I'm just talking options for a new OC... not trying to set anything in stone... there's a chance Bevell is fired if Seahawks suffer a continued meltdown or he turns it around just in time to rally our Championship run and moves on to greener pastures as a result.

Plus, another positive with Kubiak is that if Bevell and Cable don't see eye to eye and their differences is affecting the play-calling or offensive philosophies... Cable and Kubiak should be a much more copacetic fit with the strong ZBS background.

 

[Throwdown]

Now that's a name that interests me, Holmgren no thanks. Kubiak? I'd be down.

 

[KitsapGuy]

Shanahan has named him as a possible OC if he stays with the Redskins. I'd choose us over them. :twocents:

 

[DavidSeven]

There is zero chance Bevell is fired. ZERO. NONE. If we lose Bevell, it'll be because he's offered a head coaching job, which anyone with an objective opinion on our staff (i.e. anyone outside of Seattle) thinks is a very real possibility.

Geez, we are talking about a 12-win season here minimum. We're talking about an offense that's still ranked top-10 in DVOA and scoring. We're talking about an offense that did this without its two highly paid receivers and missing its tackles for half the season. I'm not saying Bevell should be OC of the year, but this talk is ridiculous.

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

There is zero chance Bevell is fired. ZERO. NONE. If we lose Bevell, it'll be because he's offered a head coaching job, which anyone with an objective opinion on our staff (i.e. anyone outside of Seattle) thinks is a very real possibility.

Geez, we are talking about a 12-win season here minimum. We're talking about an offense that's still ranked top-10 in DVOA and scoring. We're talking about an offense that did this without its two highly paid receivers and missing its tackles for half the season. I'm not saying Bevell should be OC of the year, but this talk is ridiculous.

So you're saying if we no offensive improvement vs the Rams, and lose #1 seed because of it,. Then we go one and done in the Play-Offs because of more offensive woes, especially more bad game plans, failures to adjust, and more undiscilplined play that leads to more drive killing penalties.

You don't think Bevell will be on the hot seat? Okay, whatever....

And remember Bevell was here in 2011 where our offense had plenty of similar WR (Seahawks were without its top 2 WRs per pay) and suffered a plethora of O-Line injuries (where 4 starters ended up on I.R.) Statistically, the was rather mediocre .

The one constant this past few seasons has obvious been the arrival of Russell Wilson, and two, Tom Cable, who transformed Lynch into one of the leagues best RBs, as well as coaching up, injury riddled O-lines without elite talent to work with. And taking project lineman and making them somewhat viable.

The best thing Bevell has done in his tenure here was incorporate the read option, and even then he poached it from the Redskins, and he wouldn't have been able to do it without a QB with Wilson's skill set.

Bevell is average at best and what makes him look so good is his bottom of the league passing attempts with a high percentage of down field splash plays coupled with Carroll's ball control offensive philosophy and clock controlling running attack coordinated by Cable.

If Bevell knew how to consistently adjust what the defense is giving the offense , we wouldn't have all these conversations about him.

LIKE WE SHOULDN'T BE NOW WHEN THIS WAS MERELY AN INQUIRY ON GARY KUBIAK FOR ANY REASON WHAT-SO-EVER THAT BEVELL ISN'T HERE NEXT YEAR.

 

[theENGLISHseahawk]

A big no thanks to Kubiak.

Ugh.

Look at Houston's roster this year. There's no way they should be set for 2-14. He was in control of that.

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

There's also a big difference in responsibility from being a HC to being an OC.

I know Kubiak needs to burden much of the blame for the collapse as HC but Matt Schaub did pick 6 this team into the ground while the Texans were relatively competitive. More or less, the team gave up as a result.

For instance, if the Texans beat the Seahawks week 4... I doubt the Texans would be 3-12 right now.Sometimes that's the way the cookie crumbles.

 

[JonRud]

There is zero chance Bevell is fired. ZERO. NONE. If we lose Bevell, it'll be because he's offered a head coaching job, which anyone with an objective opinion on our staff (i.e. anyone outside of Seattle) thinks is a very real possibility.

Geez, we are talking about a 12-win season here minimum. We're talking about an offense that's still ranked top-10 in DVOA and scoring. We're talking about an offense that did this without its two highly paid receivers and missing its tackles for half the season. I'm not saying Bevell should be OC of the year, but this talk is ridiculous.

100% agree. The Seahawks have won 20 of the past 25 games they have played and turned a 3rd round draft pick nobody wanted into a potential [or already is] superstar QB. You can nitpick anything you want, but to think Bevell has not done a great job here is crazy. The Hawks have had major O-Line turmoil due to injury and are without their #1 and #2 WR.

Meanwhile they have a net point differential of +168 which is 2nd only to Denver.

All you people who want him gone, I just say be careful what you wish for. The grass isn't always greener....

 

[-The Glove-]

I think Wilson would have succeeded anywhere.

 

[Donk70]

A big no thanks to Kubiak.

Ugh.

Look at Houston's roster this year. There's no way they should be set for 2-14. He was in control of that.

No personnel decision making needed as OC. Kubiak would be a great fit.

 

[seahawks08]

Ken Weisenhunt would be my pick. He took AZ to the Superbowl and is making a difference in San Diego. He was a casualty because of not finding a Franchise QB when Warner suddenly decided to retire. I read this in NFL.COM and I kind of agree with their thought.

 

[Galen96]

I'm sorry, but attributing our record to Bevell is ridiculous. Russell Wilson is the reason we're looking at a 12 or better win season. The ONLY reason I don't want to change OC's is because then the entire offense has to learn a new playbook, and while I'm not worried about Wilson, I AM worried about the collective.

 

[Scottemojo]

Ken Weisenhunt would be my pick. He took AZ to the Superbowl and is making a difference in San Diego. He was a casualty because of not finding a Franchise QB when Warner suddenly decided to retire. I read this in NFL.COM and I kind of agree with their thought.

Whiz will be a HC, the league won't allow him to lateral move as an OC. He is already rumored for jobs as HC anyway.

 

[JGfromtheNW]

I had a dream (nightmare) last night that Bevell signed an EIGHT year extension.

.net was in full meltdown mode.

 

[Throwdown]

I had a dream (nightmare) last night that Bevell signed an EIGHT year extension.

.net was in full meltdown mode.

Honestly we could win the Super Bowl and it still wouldn't be enough for some people.

 

[JGfromtheNW]

I had a dream (nightmare) last night that Bevell signed an EIGHT year extension.

.net was in full meltdown mode.

Honestly we could win the Super Bowl and it still wouldn't be enough for some people.

You've got a point there. It's called perspective and it seems to be lacking around these parts when we lose our *GASP* third game of the year.

 

[Seahawkfan80]

I had a dream (nightmare) last night that Bevell signed an EIGHT year extension.

.net was in full meltdown mode.

Honestly we could win the Super Bowl and it still wouldn't be enough for some people.

You've got a point there. It's called perspective and it seems to be lacking around these parts when we lose our *GASP* third game of the year.

PERSPECTIVE is exactly the word I thought to myself last night before my cat slapped me silly. ....oops wrong forum. What I really mean is the word and what JG said is correct. We are still the first team in the playoffs this year. Still.... Be happy with that and run with the big dogs next weekend for the next level. We are not 0-3...we are 0-0 on the way to the game on Sunday. Learn from what the past has taught you and move along. I am still on :179417:

 

[ImTheScientist]

Is there crazy in the water this week?

 

[Seeker]

Bring in the guy who telegraphs all his plays and was easily caught for it by this very team, leading to an epic collapse (of the team)?

yeah lets get him.

Honestly I don't even think it is all bevel as much as it is the struggle between bevel and Cable for the identity of this team.

 

[Scottemojo]

Kubiak has balanced the run and pass very well. He has a very similar approach to Bevell. Calls more screens, uses his tight ends better.

I can see how his approach would appeal to Pete.

My personal favorite to be OC should Bevell leave for a HC job would be Bert Bielema, but I don't think we would pay the dollars he would ask to leave Arkansas.