MontanaHawk05
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poly1274":2cjmzafk said:Offense wasn't the problem this season.
Whatever you say.
poly1274":2cjmzafk said:Offense wasn't the problem this season.
mrt144":29exslyo said:poly1274":29exslyo said:what. dont understand what you wrote.
Obviously. I could have predicted that based on the OP.
mrt144":2vrn5o1o said:Trust me, you're barking up the wrong tree in the problems with the team. The defense isn't as good as the high water mark but only slightly so. The offense has changed for the worse.
poly1274":2vrn5o1o said:Offense wasn't the problem this season. The main 3 people on IR Sherman Avril and Chancellor doomed us.
TwistedHusky":210tq2lv said:It fell apart when we lost Tate who could also return kicks to give us a short field.
It fell apart when we traded Unger for a TE we never would use, and in doing drove away the RB that brought us to 2 SB and made Wilson more of a weapon.
When we gave Harvin a huge contract that assured Tate would be gone and star defensive players would chafe.
And it fell apart the moment Bevel lost us a SB and there were no consequences.
These were all decisions that destroyed our offense.
TwistedHusky":65ch5n6n said:It fell apart when we lost Tate who could also return kicks to give us a short field.
It fell apart when we traded Unger for a TE we never would use, and in doing drove away the RB that brought us to 2 SB and made Wilson more of a weapon.
When we gave Harvin a huge contract that assured Tate would be gone and star defensive players would chafe.
And it fell apart the moment Bevel lost us a SB and there were no consequences.
These were all decisions that destroyed our offense.
Pretty simple really....When we lose it's because of the Offense, When we WIN we can thank the Defense.poly1274":2ef06ats said:Seymour":2ef06ats said:poly1274":2ef06ats said:Seymour":2ef06ats said:The answer is obvious, and it's not "the injured" side of the ball either.
Offense, and special teams lost us this season.
Seattle spends more $$ on D than O. The panthers game they gave up 1st half 31-0? That's not acceptable when everyone on D is playing.
We didn't even play the Panthers this year. Are you seriously digging back to last season to make your point when we have all that futility on offense this season?
Offense wasn't the problem this season. The main 3 people on IR Sherman Avril and Chancellor doomed us.
fenderbender123":2o50cuh5 said:I agree.
The 2013 defense should be the standard. If Pete can build a defense that plays that well once, he should be able to do it again, or at least come somewhat close.
We still have the same core personnel, and this year the team's defensive line was (supposedly) as talented and deep as in 2013. Yet the results were 1,000+ more yards given up, 100+ more points given up, and 14 less turnovers in 2017 compared to 2013. That is WAY too big of a difference. There is no way the front office committed that much in resources to lock up key players and expected the performance to drop that much. No way in hell.
Richard Sherman is rarely in position to intercept passes. Kam is rarely in position to lay bone-crushing hits. We seem to have to rely on blitzes to get any sort of pressure on the opposing QB (compare that to 2013 where we NEVER blitzed and still accumulated more sacks and pressures). From what I could see, the players just seem more out of position.
I don't like to blame injuries. KJ Wright and Brandon Browner missed a few games in 2013, we had backups come in and there was little to no dropoff. And the players that did get injured this year were already underperforming anyway. And if age is the factor with injuries, then why did we lock these guys up with contracts?
We can't blame the offense, because statistically they really weren't much better in 2013. I don't believe in blaming the offense and things like time of possession anyway because I've watched enough football to know that a good defense can go out there on short fields or for a couple extra possessions a game and still make stops, force 3 and outs, etc....
And what about the schedule we played in 2013? All the backup QBs, right? Well, our D still turned in as good of a performance against good offenses that year (Saints twice, Denver in the SB...even San Fran had a reasonably good offense). In fact, they played their best defense against those good offenses. So I'm not going to allow this argument either.
Whether it's Kris Richard, the players, or both....let's get back to that 2013 level defense. If you can do it once, you can do it again. It's what this team needs desperately. If our defense performed at the 2013 level, we'd be like 14-2 or 15-1. The defense needs to carry the team and mitigate our offensive struggles....much like what happened in 2013.
mrt144":3jn56eg3 said:Historically great defenses are the high water mark, not the standard, categorically by being historic.
We don't need to. Just fix the offense and the balance will play out fine.adeltaY":19ldf7zc said:I'm not sure I believe we can create a defense close to that good again.
Not buying that.... If you were a boxer, you wouldn't get into the ring with one hand tied to your side.MD5eahawks":2emw1drt said:We don't need to. Just fix the offense and the balance will play out fine.adeltaY":2emw1drt said:I'm not sure I believe we can create a defense close to that good again.
scutterhawk":3fnknudh said:Not buying that.... If you were a boxer, you wouldn't get into the ring with one hand tied to your side.MD5eahawks":3fnknudh said:We don't need to. Just fix the offense and the balance will play out fine.adeltaY":3fnknudh said:I'm not sure I believe we can create a defense close to that good again.
We no longer have Marshawn Lynch, or anyone like him to help Wilson punch Defenses in the mouth, hell, we didn't even have a bottom of the League Run Game this season.
When Pete's Seahawks stomped the shit out of the Bronco's in 48, they learned a valuable lesson about trying to get by with a so-so Defense, and two years later, they came back with vast improvement to their Defense, which proves that you need BOTH Offense & Defense if you expect to run with the big dogs.
This is a "Copycat" League, and Coaches all way around have been paying close attention to Petes dominant Defensive success.
It Takes all phases, Offense, Defense & Special Teams working TOGETHER.
mrt144":25iupsi8 said:scutterhawk":25iupsi8 said:Not buying that.... If you were a boxer, you wouldn't get into the ring with one hand tied to your side.MD5eahawks":25iupsi8 said:We don't need to. Just fix the offense and the balance will play out fine.adeltaY":25iupsi8 said:I'm not sure I believe we can create a defense close to that good again.
We no longer have Marshawn Lynch, or anyone like him to help Wilson punch Defenses in the mouth, hell, we didn't even have a bottom of the League Run Game this season.
When Pete's Seahawks stomped the shit out of the Bronco's in 48, they learned a valuable lesson about trying to get by with a so-so Defense, and two years later, they came back with vast improvement to their Defense, which proves that you need BOTH Offense & Defense if you expect to run with the big dogs.
This is a "Copycat" League, and Coaches all way around have been paying close attention to Petes dominant Defensive success.
It Takes all phases, Offense, Defense & Special Teams working TOGETHER.
And one of the lessons from the Broncos is a defense alone isnt enough even if there is no perceptual or qualatative change between a broken necked giraffe and a lesser ape named Trevor. Its fascinating to think the Hawks could be in the Broncos shoes current if not for some obvious talent on offense. Imagine .net if that were the case. :shock:
chris98251":egt8vtmy said:mrt144":egt8vtmy said:scutterhawk":egt8vtmy said:Not buying that.... If you were a boxer, you wouldn't get into the ring with one hand tied to your side.MD5eahawks":egt8vtmy said:We don't need to. Just fix the offense and the balance will play out fine.
We no longer have Marshawn Lynch, or anyone like him to help Wilson punch Defenses in the mouth, hell, we didn't even have a bottom of the League Run Game this season.
When Pete's Seahawks stomped the shit out of the Bronco's in 48, they learned a valuable lesson about trying to get by with a so-so Defense, and two years later, they came back with vast improvement to their Defense, which proves that you need BOTH Offense & Defense if you expect to run with the big dogs.
This is a "Copycat" League, and Coaches all way around have been paying close attention to Petes dominant Defensive success.
It Takes all phases, Offense, Defense & Special Teams working TOGETHER.
And one of the lessons from the Broncos is a defense alone isnt enough even if there is no perceptual or qualatative change between a broken necked giraffe and a lesser ape named Trevor. Its fascinating to think the Hawks could be in the Broncos shoes current if not for some obvious talent on offense. Imagine .net if that were the case. :shock:
Oh you mean like when Jim Mora and his Dirtbags were playing?
Or when Dan McGwire was our starter?