A Deconstruction and Chronicle of Pete's Defense

Sgt. Largent

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 1, 2012
Messages
23,429
Reaction score
3,646
They've drafted twice as many defensive players, over offensive players the previous 5 seasons with their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks and virtually hit on none of them.

Why defend this?

Because they haven't had a pick higher than 27th since 2012, and with two 27th picks they took Brooks and Penny.

You're acting like they've had a bunch of wasted high picks on defense to defend your subjective Pete hate threads.

You're also wrong on your previous 5 seasons comment.

2016-2022 first three rounds: 12 defensive players & 10 offensive players.

Unless you're excluding 2022, which of course you are because it fits your narrative. But that's not being honest with your criticism now is it?
 

FrodosFinger

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 22, 2022
Messages
1,258
Reaction score
1,130
Striking gold on 4 draft classes within the past 10 years is something GM’s dream about. The hit rate for players drafted 21-32 is 30% league wide. Malik McDowell started for the Browns last year but he has some obvious mental health issues. Collier hasn’t transitioned to this level like many thought he would. Aside from that they’ve drafted great. It seemed thin compared to others but again when you’re trying to maintain quality it becomes a pain in the ass when 1 player is taking 25% of your cap
 

Nunya

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 8, 2012
Messages
457
Reaction score
416
Fade...

I've got bad news for you son. We have been in contact with the front office and, I am sad to say, but you are being traded to the 49er fan base. As part of the trade, we are getting a Taylor Swift CD, 3 pop rings, a Tickle Me Elmo doll, and a case of Bubblicious Gum (Pete demanded that).
 

Rock_the_Hawk

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 28, 2022
Messages
382
Reaction score
520
Come on fade join the optimism there is room for ya!! we are not going to give you to much crap!
 

cymatica

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 25, 2014
Messages
2,704
Reaction score
848
Fade...

I've got bad news for you son. We have been in contact with the front office and, I am sad to say, but you are being traded to the 49er fan base. As part of the trade, we are getting a Taylor Swift CD, 3 pop rings, a Tickle Me Elmo doll, and a case of Bubblicious Gum (Pete demanded that).
I don't care what an'one says, that rat there is funny
 

jammerhawk

Moderator
Moderator
Joined
Mar 5, 2007
Messages
9,128
Reaction score
705
Now the reconstruction has commenced, let’s enjoy watching the D come together.

As time goes on it seems to me that Pete has devolved more authority to his coordinators. That may just be my view but unlike other HC’s he doesn’t talk much between plays and it appears he frequently just watches with oversight.
 

FlyingGunHawk

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 23, 2022
Messages
207
Reaction score
389

LeaveLynchAlone

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 28, 2014
Messages
452
Reaction score
606
First of all, how did we get here? It starts with coaching....
Blah...Blah...Blah....
It is time.
It certainly does start with coaching Fade!

And I agree it is time...to party 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 after another win based on excellent team play including the defense with the amazing head coach Pete Carroll!!!!!!
 

toffee

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 9, 2016
Messages
7,658
Reaction score
3,492
Location
SoCal Desert
The defense turn around deserve it's own movie, it literally went from the worst to being one of the best. We couldn't stop any RBs in the first few games, now league's best RB couldn't run on us.
 
OP
OP
Fade

Fade

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 13, 2014
Messages
4,446
Reaction score
950
Location
Truth Ray
Because they haven't had a pick higher than 27th since 2012, and with two 27th picks they took Brooks and Penny.

You're acting like they've had a bunch of wasted high picks on defense to defend your subjective Pete hate threads.

You're also wrong on your previous 5 seasons comment.

2016-2022 first three rounds: 12 defensive players & 10 offensive players.

Unless you're excluding 2022, which of course you are because it fits your narrative. But that's not being honest with your criticism now is it?
The 2010-2015 Seahawks weren't built with a bunch of high picks. So that excuse doesn't work.

Excluding 2022 because a change in process has clearly taken place, and this thread is taking a look at their window of where it went wrong.
 

jammerhawk

Moderator
Moderator
Joined
Mar 5, 2007
Messages
9,128
Reaction score
705
So you acknowledge his oversight was good? At some point even a grudging admission he is doing his job well might be appropriate.

All in all I still think he’s allowing his OC and his DC to have more play to play control and the results are certainly positive.
 

sutz

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 1, 2007
Messages
27,017
Reaction score
2,809
Location
Kent, WA
So you acknowledge his oversight was good? At some point even a grudging admission he is doing his job well might be appropriate.

All in all I still think he’s allowing his OC and his DC to have more play to play control and the results are certainly positive.
I've actually always thought that Pete was more of a "hands off" kind of HC when it came to playcalling and only really steps in when the wheels come off. Case in point: the "let Russ cook" season, Pete didn't step in until Russ threw like 10 picks in 3 games or so. Hell, this season, after a few games of the D giving up historic amounts of stats Pete (or somebody) stepped in and made some adjustments. For better or for worse, Pete seems to be the kind of boss who trusts his guys to do their jobs and won't meddle much unless things just ain't working.

My two cents worth.
 

Hockey Guy

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 26, 2017
Messages
1,333
Reaction score
412
I've been involved with several sports forums & over the years there are always a few posters on each who imply that they know more than the coaches or GM's of their team & if they just read the forum & did it their way they would be way better.

This is the first time I've ever seen a poster come right out & say it.

Gotta admit, the mental gymnastics used to discredit any success is kinda impressive.
 

cymatica

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 25, 2014
Messages
2,704
Reaction score
848
Everyone is dumping on Fade but the coaches were forced to make changes schematically and it did take them 4 or 5 games to figure it out. Can't blame people for criticizing coaching when the defense was putrid
 
Top