The D, what are the problems?

[Double Tribble]

I've done a lot of database analysis on this, poring over spreadsheets, talking to current and former players and nfl experts league wide, and I think the biggest problem the D has is that they let the other team score too many points. I could be wrong, but I think I'm sticking with that.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Speed, speed, speed. They need to get speed on that DL. They don't have it right now. Right now they have a bunch of people who can play inside or outside, but that means nobody who can excel on the outside. I'm gonna be a broken record on this until something better happens or somebody comes up with a better suggestion, but they need to start putting Queem at DE on obvious passing situations. Get some speed coming off the edge. Start off with it on 2 minute offenses or third and really long. He's not gonna stand up against the run, so just use him at times when you know they aren't gonna run.

One other note: Pete is too obsessed with stopping the run. The league isn't a running league anymore. He's trying to stop the thing teams don't actually do. It's a horrible strategy.

Aren't Clowney and Ansah speed guys? DE's don't get any faster than the duos we have. Just saying.


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Clowney was never a speed guy, even out of college.........and obviously Ansah is no longer a speed guy, he's a warm body taking up space and not doing anything guy.

Clowney's a big powerful DE with enough quickness and explosiveness to break through gaps and double teams to make some plays and disrupt........but as far as a pure Avril or Clark type edge rusher? Nope, we don't have any of those. Not a one. Zilch, Nyet, Nada, Bupkiss.

clowney runs a 4.5 in his 40. That's pretty fast for DE. He's probably the fastest DE in the NFL.


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DK Metcalf runs a 4.3, doesn't mean he has the burst and quickness to cut quickly.

Most sacks Clowney's had is 10, he's big, strong and uses his gigantic frame for leverage to overwhelm lineman and cut through double teams. All different from what you want from a traditional edge rusher.

Doesn't mean he can't get sacks, but it's not the same as an Avril or Clark type that can get off the line and get around the tackle using pure speed.

Ansah was supposed to be our edge rusher.

 

[RW92]

Lack of aggressiveness, the soft zone, lack of talent in the secondary, LB’s playing like slow old men, no pressure on opposing QB’s by the DL.

You hit it on the head. Basically it's a lack of talent. The core strength, the athleticism when needed, the speed that used to be there. I'm not sure where you find this. The "smoke" and "mirrors" will only take you so far before the scheme fails and collapses. And as I've said before, Clowney is a decent player, at times good, ...but not a game changer. If there is one thing he lacks, is upper body strength. He gets pushed around too much. My hopes are to see how far coaching and Russel Wilson will take them towards the playoffs. This weekend against the 49er's will give a telling forecast.

 

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Let's take our, lanky, long-armed, rangy corners, and have them play off coverage, and outside bail technique most of the game. You would never want to press them as they aren't built for that kind of play.

Let's allow the other teams (as in every week) top target to run right down the seam with no one within 10 yards of him. And give all of their receivers most of the time free releases while we're at it.

Let's not account for the RB & TE when coming out of the backfield. The QB must always have an open outlet so if he feels any sort of pressure he can easily dump it off to his check down. We wouldn't want to register a sack.

Let's burn multiple timeouts a game because we can't get the right personnel on the field. Even when the other team took a timeout, and gave you plenty of time.

Let's stay with 3 backers no matter what. Which forces you to play zone because you can't ask a LB to cover a WR man to man. But not only that, let's play the most super generic "Nick Holt" soft zone you ever saw, on a play by play basis. What could possibly go wrong?

Let's Play Tampa 2, and take our all world LB and move him 15-20 yards deep, leaving a huge void in the short middle of the field.

Let's not run stunts and twists, and when we do, let's make it look like we spent hardly any practice time on it.

Now it's time to blitz. We got generic nickle blitz, generic sam blitz, and generic mike blitz. And when we are feeling exotic let's blitz Clowney in the A-gap.

Talent aside. This defensive scheme is a joke. Everyone across the board on defense is having a down year for good reason.

They have now fallen to 27th in DVOA. And are getting worse by the week.

Add J.Reed, get worse.

Add M.Blair get worse.

This is middle of the pack personnel that should be hovering around 16th DVOA. The scheme is dragging them into the bottom 5.

Good Football players on the 27th Ranked defense (and dropping).

Poona Ford
Quinton Jefferson
Jarran Reed
J.D. Clowney
Bobby Wagner
Michael Kendricks
K.J. Wright
Shaquille Griffin
Marquise Blair
Bradley McDougald

soon to be added Quandre Diggs

= 27th best defense. LOLOLOLLLLOLOOL.

 

[raisethe3]

Missed tackles and bad instincts.

Sounds good, but other than the rain games our tackling's been fine. Still some bad fits and gap issues, and bad angles trying to tackle WR's and TE's, but overall that's not the issue for me.

I don't see any edge. I don't see any playmakers. I don't see the same dynamic bad ass bullies that punched teams in the mouth and took their lunch money.

Flowers and Griffin have ONE interception over the past 18 games. One........if that's not last in the entire league with DB tandems I'd be shocked. Someone make a damn play.

How many interceptions do you think they should get playing a soft zone with no pass rush?

More than one, and what about all of last year.

If your CB's aren't intercepting footballs, it's time for new cornerbacks.

If that's the case, then who will play CBs? Taylor? King?

I do think it may need to be address in the draft.

 

[cymatica]

Let's take our, lanky, long-armed, rangy corners, and have them play off coverage, and outside bail technique most of the game. You would never want to press them as they aren't built for that kind of play.

Let's allow the other teams (as in every week) top target to run right down the seam with no one within 10 yards of him. And give all of their receivers most of the time free releases while we're at it.

Let's not account for the RB & TE when coming out of the backfield. The QB must always have an open outlet so if he feels any sort of pressure he can easily dump it off to his check down. We wouldn't want to register a sack.

Let's burn multiple timeouts a game because we can't get the right personnel on the field. Even when the other team took a timeout, and gave you plenty of time.

Let's stay with 3 backers no matter what. Which forces you to play zone because you can't ask a LB to cover a WR man to man. But not only that, let's play the most super generic "Nick Holt" soft zone you ever saw, on a play by play basis. What could possibly go wrong?

Let's Play Tampa 2, and take our all world LB and move him 15-20 yards deep, leaving a huge void in the short middle of the field.

Let's not run stunts and twists, and when we do, let's make it look like we spent hardly any practice time on it.

Now it's time to blitz. We got generic nickle blitz, generic sam blitz, and generic mike blitz. And when we are feeling exotic let's blitz Clowney in the A-gap.

Talent aside. This defensive scheme is a joke. Everyone across the board on defense is having a down year for good reason.

They have now fallen to 27th in DVOA. And are getting worse by the week.

Add J.Reed, get worse.

Add M.Blair get worse.

This is middle of the pack personnel that should be hovering around 16th DVOA. The scheme is dragging them into the bottom 5.

Good Football players on the 27th Ranked defense (and dropping).

Poona Ford
Quinton Jefferson
Jarran Reed
J.D. Clowney
Bobby Wagner
Michael Kendricks
K.J. Wright
Shaquille Griffin
Marquise Blair
Bradley McDougald

soon to be added Quandre Diggs

= 27th best defense. LOLOLOLLLLOLOOL.

What's really disturbing is that professional coaches, who have been to multiple superbowls, either don't see these obvious points or refuse to address them. Most of this list is painfully obvious to the layman

 

[Chawker]

Bring back the NASCAR package. The trouble with that is we don't have Avill or Bennett. :stirthepot:

 

[chris98251]

Sounds good, but other than the rain games our tackling's been fine. Still some bad fits and gap issues, and bad angles trying to tackle WR's and TE's, but overall that's not the issue for me.

I don't see any edge. I don't see any playmakers. I don't see the same dynamic bad ass bullies that punched teams in the mouth and took their lunch money.

Flowers and Griffin have ONE interception over the past 18 games. One........if that's not last in the entire league with DB tandems I'd be shocked. Someone make a damn play.

How many interceptions do you think they should get playing a soft zone with no pass rush?

More than one, and what about all of last year.

If your CB's aren't intercepting footballs, it's time for new cornerbacks.

If that's the case, then who will play CBs? Taylor? King?

I do think it may need to be address in the draft.

I'm sure we will, by the 3rd to 5th round we should get to them after we trade our first for more 4ths and 5ths so we have great competition.

 

[John63]

While I hate saying this SF were running our scheme and then change it, modernized it and well you see what they are doing,. Yes they have a better dline, and we might not be able to be as good, but we could be much better. This is on PC again not changing the system to suite what he has.

 

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Let's take our, lanky, long-armed, rangy corners, and have them play off coverage, and outside bail technique most of the game. You would never want to press them as they aren't built for that kind of play.

Let's allow the other teams (as in every week) top target to run right down the seam with no one within 10 yards of him. And give all of their receivers most of the time free releases while we're at it.

Let's not account for the RB & TE when coming out of the backfield. The QB must always have an open outlet so if he feels any sort of pressure he can easily dump it off to his check down. We wouldn't want to register a sack.

Let's burn multiple timeouts a game because we can't get the right personnel on the field. Even when the other team took a timeout, and gave you plenty of time.

Let's stay with 3 backers no matter what. Which forces you to play zone because you can't ask a LB to cover a WR man to man. But not only that, let's play the most super generic "Nick Holt" soft zone you ever saw, on a play by play basis. What could possibly go wrong?

Let's Play Tampa 2, and take our all world LB and move him 15-20 yards deep, leaving a huge void in the short middle of the field.

Let's not run stunts and twists, and when we do, let's make it look like we spent hardly any practice time on it.

Now it's time to blitz. We got generic nickle blitz, generic sam blitz, and generic mike blitz. And when we are feeling exotic let's blitz Clowney in the A-gap.

Talent aside. This defensive scheme is a joke. Everyone across the board on defense is having a down year for good reason.

They have now fallen to 27th in DVOA. And are getting worse by the week.

Add J.Reed, get worse.

Add M.Blair get worse.

This is middle of the pack personnel that should be hovering around 16th DVOA. The scheme is dragging them into the bottom 5.

Good Football players on the 27th Ranked defense (and dropping).

Poona Ford
Quinton Jefferson
Jarran Reed
J.D. Clowney
Bobby Wagner
Michael Kendricks
K.J. Wright
Shaquille Griffin
Marquise Blair
Bradley McDougald

soon to be added Quandre Diggs

= 27th best defense. LOLOLOLLLLOLOOL.

What's really disturbing is that professional coaches, who have been to multiple superbowls, either don't see these obvious points or refuse to address them. Most of this list is painfully obvious to the layman

:2thumbs:

I am genuinely curious though. Who on this defensive staff have been to multiple Superbowls in their current positions?

I know Norton has never been a successful DC, ever. He can coach LBers, but he can't coordinate a defense.

He has coordinated 74 games, his defenses have never gotten better, they stayed bad or only gotten worse the longer he was in charge in OAK, and now here in SEA. He only has this position because of Pete. No one else would hire him as a coordinator, as he is not good enough for the position. He should be gone by the end of the year. If crazy Pete gives him another year, It will be a huge mistake.

Ranking Pete's DCs

Quinn - Understands D-Line play, marries well with Pete's DB background.
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Richard - Excellent DB coach, butted head with Pete at times, so Pete asked him to leave.
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Bradley - Loves soft zone when he has a lead, plays man when trailing. LB background.
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Norton - Never been good. Never will be good. This is his last coordinator job.


Just about any new hire would be an upgrade. There is a l

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

I’ve notice a lack of stunts within the defensive line.

Now it’s time to get creative with your pressure setups.

Delay stunts, wide nine sets, 5 on the line delay blitz from the LB, etc.

Seattle needs to be creative because the usual pass rush sets are not working.

It’s time to get exotic.

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

Let's take our, lanky, long-armed, rangy corners, and have them play off coverage, and outside bail technique most of the game. You would never want to press them as they aren't built for that kind of play.

Let's allow the other teams (as in every week) top target to run right down the seam with no one within 10 yards of him. And give all of their receivers most of the time free releases while we're at it.

Let's not account for the RB & TE when coming out of the backfield. The QB must always have an open outlet so if he feels any sort of pressure he can easily dump it off to his check down. We wouldn't want to register a sack.

Let's burn multiple timeouts a game because we can't get the right personnel on the field. Even when the other team took a timeout, and gave you plenty of time.

Let's stay with 3 backers no matter what. Which forces you to play zone because you can't ask a LB to cover a WR man to man. But not only that, let's play the most super generic "Nick Holt" soft zone you ever saw, on a play by play basis. What could possibly go wrong?

Let's Play Tampa 2, and take our all world LB and move him 15-20 yards deep, leaving a huge void in the short middle of the field.

Let's not run stunts and twists, and when we do, let's make it look like we spent hardly any practice time on it.

Now it's time to blitz. We got generic nickle blitz, generic sam blitz, and generic mike blitz. And when we are feeling exotic let's blitz Clowney in the A-gap.

Talent aside. This defensive scheme is a joke. Everyone across the board on defense is having a down year for good reason.

They have now fallen to 27th in DVOA. And are getting worse by the week.

Add J.Reed, get worse.

Add M.Blair get worse.

This is middle of the pack personnel that should be hovering around 16th DVOA. The scheme is dragging them into the bottom 5.

Good Football players on the 27th Ranked defense (and dropping).

Poona Ford
Quinton Jefferson
Jarran Reed
J.D. Clowney
Bobby Wagner
Michael Kendricks
K.J. Wright
Shaquille Griffin
Marquise Blair
Bradley McDougald

soon to be added Quandre Diggs

= 27th best defense. LOLOLOLLLLOLOOL.

What's really disturbing is that professional coaches, who have been to multiple superbowls, either don't see these obvious points or refuse to address them. Most of this list is painfully obvious to the layman

:2thumbs:

I am genuinely curious though. Who on this defensive staff have been to multiple Superbowls in their current positions?

I know Norton has never been a successful DC, ever. He can coach LBers, but he can't coordinate a defense.

He has coordinated 74 games, his defenses have never gotten better, they stayed bad or only gotten worse the longer he was in charge in OAK, and now here in SEA. He only has this position because of Pete. No one else would hire him as a coordinator, as he is not good enough for the position. He should be gone by the end of the year. If crazy Pete gives him another year, It will be a huge mistake.

Ranking Pete's DCs

Quinn - Understands D-Line play, marries well with Pete's DB background.
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Richard - Excellent DB coach, butted head with Pete at times, so Pete asked him to leave.
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Bradley - Loves soft zone when he has a lead, plays man when trailing. LB background.
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Norton - Never been good. Never will be good. This is his last coordinator job.


Just about any new hire would be an upgrade. There is a l

Who would PC bring in next?

 

[Fade]

8)

While I hate saying this SF were running our scheme and then change it, modernized it and well you see what they are doing,. Yes they have a better dline, and we might not be able to be as good, but we could be much better. This is on PC again not changing the system to suite what he has.

He changed the system though.

He went from single high to 2 high. His corner's now bail most of the time and/or play off, rarely do they press. His Mike LBer now is playing Tampa a lot of the time.

Whether it was Norton or him, it changed, but for the worst.

 

[Fade]

Let's take our, lanky, long-armed, rangy corners, and have them play off coverage, and outside bail technique most of the game. You would never want to press them as they aren't built for that kind of play.

Let's allow the other teams (as in every week) top target to run right down the seam with no one within 10 yards of him. And give all of their receivers most of the time free releases while we're at it.

Let's not account for the RB & TE when coming out of the backfield. The QB must always have an open outlet so if he feels any sort of pressure he can easily dump it off to his check down. We wouldn't want to register a sack.

Let's burn multiple timeouts a game because we can't get the right personnel on the field. Even when the other team took a timeout, and gave you plenty of time.

Let's stay with 3 backers no matter what. Which forces you to play zone because you can't ask a LB to cover a WR man to man. But not only that, let's play the most super generic "Nick Holt" soft zone you ever saw, on a play by play basis. What could possibly go wrong?

Let's Play Tampa 2, and take our all world LB and move him 15-20 yards deep, leaving a huge void in the short middle of the field.

Let's not run stunts and twists, and when we do, let's make it look like we spent hardly any practice time on it.

Now it's time to blitz. We got generic nickle blitz, generic sam blitz, and generic mike blitz. And when we are feeling exotic let's blitz Clowney in the A-gap.

Talent aside. This defensive scheme is a joke. Everyone across the board on defense is having a down year for good reason.

They have now fallen to 27th in DVOA. And are getting worse by the week.

Add J.Reed, get worse.

Add M.Blair get worse.

This is middle of the pack personnel that should be hovering around 16th DVOA. The scheme is dragging them into the bottom 5.

Good Football players on the 27th Ranked defense (and dropping).

Poona Ford
Quinton Jefferson
Jarran Reed
J.D. Clowney
Bobby Wagner
Michael Kendricks
K.J. Wright
Shaquille Griffin
Marquise Blair
Bradley McDougald

soon to be added Quandre Diggs

= 27th best defense. LOLOLOLLLLOLOOL.

What's really disturbing is that professional coaches, who have been to multiple superbowls, either don't see these obvious points or refuse to address them. Most of this list is painfully obvious to the layman

:2thumbs:

I am genuinely curious though. Who on this defensive staff have been to multiple Superbowls in their current positions?

I know Norton has never been a successful DC, ever. He can coach LBers, but he can't coordinate a defense.

He has coordinated 74 games, his defenses have never gotten better, they stayed bad or only gotten worse the longer he was in charge in OAK, and now here in SEA. He only has this position because of Pete. No one else would hire him as a coordinator, as he is not good enough for the position. He should be gone by the end of the year. If crazy Pete gives him another year, It will be a huge mistake.

Ranking Pete's DCs

Quinn - Understands D-Line play, marries well with Pete's DB background.
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Richard - Excellent DB coach, butted head with Pete at times, so Pete asked him to leave.
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Bradley - Loves soft zone when he has a lead, plays man when trailing. LB background.
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Norton - Never been good. Never will be good. This is his last coordinator job.


Just about any new hire would be an upgrade. There is a l

Who would PC bring in next?

Dan Quinn has got to be high on Pete's list after he gets fired by ATL. I'm 75% sure it is going to be him. 15% chance he brings back Norton, as Pete doesn't like firing his coaches. 10% it's a current DC/HC who gets fired not named Quinn that Pete knows and likes, but never really worked with extensively, or at all.

That 15% chance is what scares me. Because it should be a 0% chance.

 

[getnasty]

Missed tackles and bad instincts.

Sounds good, but other than the rain games our tackling's been fine. Still some bad fits and gap issues, and bad angles trying to tackle WR's and TE's, but overall that's not the issue for me.

I don't see any edge. I don't see any playmakers. I don't see the same dynamic bad ass bullies that punched teams in the mouth and took their lunch money.

Flowers and Griffin have ONE interception over the past 18 games. One........if that's not last in the entire league with DB tandems I'd be shocked. Someone make a damn play.

How many interceptions do you think they should get playing a soft zone with no pass rush?

More than one, and what about all of last year.

If your CB's aren't intercepting footballs, it's time for new cornerbacks.

I don't think Shaq has had a pick all year but has been very very solid so i don't think just because your not intercepting the ball it makes you a bad corner. Maybe not a ball hawk maybe not elite but not bad.

Give me Shaq from this year with Tre from last year and i think were fine. Unfortunately that's not what we have and add in some suspect safety play and we have a problem.

We need one of two things to happen and if both can happen then we might be in for a SB run. First Tre Flowers has to be better, he's running the same scheme as Shaq that everyone is praising but not doing it near as well.

Second we need Reed and Ziggy to better at getting to the quarterback, this is probably the bigger need but one hand washes the other.

I think it's funny how Dan Quinn gets so much love around here but probably has the worst defense in the league right now and that offesne has carried that team since he's been there. If you went through each player on the defensive side of the ball and picked who was better between this year and 2013 you might not pick one player from this year that would start on that defensive.

I don't think Norton is great but he doesn't have the horses just like Quinn now doesn't have the horses. We need people to get better and in the case of Flowers, Reed, and Ansah we've all seen them play much better.

 

[jammerhawk]

Let's take our, lanky, long-armed, rangy corners, and have them play off coverage, and outside bail technique most of the game. You would never want to press them as they aren't built for that kind of play.

Let's allow the other teams (as in every week) top target to run right down the seam with no one within 10 yards of him. And give all of their receivers most of the time free releases while we're at it.

Let's not account for the RB & TE when coming out of the backfield. The QB must always have an open outlet so if he feels any sort of pressure he can easily dump it off to his check down. We wouldn't want to register a sack.

Let's burn multiple timeouts a game because we can't get the right personnel on the field. Even when the other team took a timeout, and gave you plenty of time.

Let's stay with 3 backers no matter what. Which forces you to play zone because you can't ask a LB to cover a WR man to man. But not only that, let's play the most super generic "Nick Holt" soft zone you ever saw, on a play by play basis. What could possibly go wrong?

Let's Play Tampa 2, and take our all world LB and move him 15-20 yards deep, leaving a huge void in the short middle of the field.

Let's not run stunts and twists, and when we do, let's make it look like we spent hardly any practice time on it.

Now it's time to blitz. We got generic nickle blitz, generic sam blitz, and generic mike blitz. And when we are feeling exotic let's blitz Clowney in the A-gap.

Talent aside. This defensive scheme is a joke. Everyone across the board on defense is having a down year for good reason.

They have now fallen to 27th in DVOA. And are getting worse by the week.

Add J.Reed, get worse.

Add M.Blair get worse.

This is middle of the pack personnel that should be hovering around 16th DVOA. The scheme is dragging them into the bottom 5.

Good Football players on the 27th Ranked defense (and dropping).

Poona Ford
Quinton Jefferson
Jarran Reed
J.D. Clowney
Bobby Wagner
Michael Kendricks
K.J. Wright
Shaquille Griffin
Marquise Blair
Bradley McDougald

soon to be added Quandre Diggs

= 27th best defense. LOLOLOLLLLOLOOL.

This is pretty unvarnished criticism, and is an indictment of the whole defensive coaching staff, and Pete. I agree with most all the concerns, however, all in all except at S and at Leo the talent level is good enough to win a championship, but they are schematically challenged.

To me it appears that there are no reasonable coaching candidates to be raised from assistant coach to head coach, every head coach depends upon the strength of his staff, and Pete sure isn’t getting much support on the defensive side of the ball. Pete wears a lot of the responsibility but the in game coaching defensive plays called, stunts and blitzes are coming from Norton and it’s pretty weak sauce. The overall plan is a shared responsibility but ultimately on Pete.

As an aside I don’t think and haven’t thought much of the ST coaching either.

Offensively Schottenheimer is doing a reasonable job and while stubborn to rapidly adjust is calling plays that allow RW to use his exceptional ability with effectiveness.

Pete needs to refresh his coaching staff get some fresh ideas and in doing so he must be a bit ruthless.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Sounds good, but other than the rain games our tackling's been fine. Still some bad fits and gap issues, and bad angles trying to tackle WR's and TE's, but overall that's not the issue for me.

I don't see any edge. I don't see any playmakers. I don't see the same dynamic bad ass bullies that punched teams in the mouth and took their lunch money.

Flowers and Griffin have ONE interception over the past 18 games. One........if that's not last in the entire league with DB tandems I'd be shocked. Someone make a damn play.

How many interceptions do you think they should get playing a soft zone with no pass rush?

More than one, and what about all of last year.

If your CB's aren't intercepting footballs, it's time for new cornerbacks.

I don't think Shaq has had a pick all year but has been very very solid so i don't think just because your not intercepting the ball it makes you a bad corner. Maybe not a ball hawk maybe not elite but not bad.

Shaq has been fine, and even flashed a couple times. But that's just it, fine isn't what you want from your #1 CB, you want shutdown, you want interceptions, you want a playmaker, a difference maker.

Griffin is a #2 CB, that's the truth of it. But he's being forced to be the #1 because we haven't drafted or developed a true #1 like this defense needs in order to get back to how Pete wants to play defense.

 

[RiverDog]

#1 We need to stop this 3 linebacker experiment and go into nickel coverage when the situation calls for it.

I'm not sure that I would call it an "experiment" as it's our base defense and has been for years.

But I agree with your premise. We are in our base defense more than any team in the league, even when we're facing a passing team like the Bucs that would call for more nickel packages. Kendricks, our LB that comes out more often when we go to 5 DB's, saw 68% of the snaps Sunday while Taylor, our nickel back, saw just 43% of the snaps. Those numbers should have been flip flopped as Tampa Bay is ranked 23rd in run play percentage at 38% and just 31% over the past 3 games.

 

[TwistedHusky]

The biggest problem is that our DC is not adequate.

The second biggest problem is that our roster is average.

The third biggest problem is that our safeties are ineffective and our defensive success always hinged on great safeties.

The fourth biggest problem is that we have no pass rush.

 

[SeaWolv]

Ain't no way Flowers and Griffin are the answer at corner. Griffin's a solid #2 that flashes as a #1 at times, but not consistently enough to be a true #1.

Which is why I said we need a lockdown corner. Lockdown = #1 corner and by default that would make Griffin #2.