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I think we can do better than Schotty
This has been an issue with Russ since 2020 no matter who he's coached under. He went from being a playmaker to a QB that is really only a game manager at this point. Teams started adopting the Fangio defense and created an NFL where the passing game was struggling. Teams are having issues dealing with the disguised coverages and pass rush that is coming from unpredictable angles.This is not the first time I've heard the suggestion of a Schotty return to Seattle. IIRC, he had the offense really humming at one point, but when opposing DC's started figuring out what he was doing, he wasn't able to counter adjust. That would be my only concern. I'm sure Mr. I'm limited had something to do with it as well.
Sure, we could do better than Schotty --- but having an experienced coach is something that we're missing. This guy knows does know how to pilot an offense and he does know how to coach up QB's. He's also not likely to get poached right away either.I think we can do better than Schotty
Scheissen = Shit, in German
Hammer = you know what a hammer is
Brian Scheissenhammer = Not what I want in an OC
This has been an issue with Russ since 2020 no matter who he's coached under. He went from being a playmaker to a QB that is really only a game manager at this point. Teams started adopting the Fangio defense and created an NFL where the passing game was struggling. Teams are having issues dealing with the disguised coverages and pass rush that is coming from unpredictable angles.
We also have to understand that Russ was really pushing the whole "let russ cook" thing pretty hard. Schottenheimer was mostly an old school pound it Air Coryell guy before he came here. Russell Wilson was also putting pressure on Carroll and the FO as we saw when he finally started trying to force his way out of here.
I'd dare say that Schottenheimer is the best offensive coordinator that we've had here in Seattle since Holmgren. I'd say the great thing about Schottenheimer is he is great at building the visions of his HC and working around his players strengths and weaknesses. In Seattle he came across like someone that was agnostic when it came to systems and schemes. One game he'd come out looking like a WCO, the next it would be back to the 70s with heavy doses of running and play action passes that attacked downfield.
I think he'd prove to the a great asset to MacDonald in trying to establish credibility. Both MacDonald and Schottenheimer also have the same no-nonsense, tough approach to coaching. Schottenheimer is also known for being a great QB coach.
I think he'd fit this team perfectly.
Who would you recommend?I think we can do better than Schotty
Or we could just run with Grubb again, skip the learning phase, and be a playoff team again for the next 10 years.
Grubb is fine.
Our OL needs a LG, then it will be fine.
We fielded a top 10 defense and a middling offense in year 1 of a new staff. Considering defenses take a year to install and offenses take 3, that's pretty remarkable. Top 5 D and a top 10 O are obtainable goals for next year.
The future is bright!
Well that's the thing. He is experienced but that fact that no one is knocking at his door to be their play caller should tell you something. Not getting poached isn't necessarily a good thing. If we have coaches getting the attention about the possibility of getting poached that usually means he did good things for the team.Sure, we could do better than Schotty --- but having an experienced coach is something that we're missing. This guy knows does know how to pilot an offense and he does know how to coach up QB's. He's also not likely to get poached right away either.
I think the first thing is to see who exactly is available. Now IMHO this team is set up to win now. The most glaring weakness is LG,C. These 2 positions can easily be upgraded in the offseason. Add the right coordinator who can play to the strengths of the offense and the hawks can easily have a top ten offense. Geno will be a Hawk next year, I don't see the team getting rid of him yet. I feel if the Hawks do these things they should be successful next year.Who would you recommend?
He did get attention in 19 and was in the spotlight in 2020 when we started the season as the hottest offense in the league. Things cooled over the 2nd half of the season through no fault of his own and then he was cut to make room for Russ's whishlist hire.Well that's the thing. He is experienced but that fact that no one is knocking at his door to be their play caller should tell you something. Not getting poached isn't necessarily a good thing. If we have coaches getting the attention about the possibility of getting poached that usually means he did good things for the team.
Wait a minute in 2020 we had no run game and a bad defense and Russ had a monster year but Russ doesn’t get credit. You use those same excuses for Geno for why he’s near league worst in most categories as insurmountable? Yeah I love most of your takes but your Geno/Russ stuff is so biased and contradictory it’s hard to take in.In 2018 we had the 18th ranked offense thebfirst year he coordinated for us.
2019 we jumped to 8th.
2020 was hijacked by Russ in his MVP chase and wen dropped again, but managed to finish at 12-4 despite having an historically bad defense. Russ fans like to credit him with the wins, but it was the year his game was entirely solved and he has been a shell of himself since.
The 2019 year was really the single most balanced offense we have ever had in Seattle, and we accomplished it without superstars at any one position outside of Russ.
Had things remained on the track Schotty had us on and we not imploded in the pursuit of individual accolades for the QB, we would have avoided the crap show that has ensued on that side of the ball since (one OC who was fired and not even in the league and another likely on his way out).
Schotty was the unfortunate collateral damage from the spiraling Russ fiasco between 2020 and 2021.
Wait a minute in 2020 we had no run game and a bad defense and Russ had a monster year but Russ doesn’t get credit. You use those same excuses for Geno for why he’s near league worst in most categories as insurmountable? Yeah I love most of your takes but your Geno/Russ stuff is so biased and contradictory it’s hard to take in.
Russ was completely figured out in 2020 with a terrible defense had 42 touchdowns, 13 picks, almost 5,000 total yards and he wasn’t a reason we did well? We weren’t even a great rushing team without Wilson’s 500+ yards That is hilarious after all the Geno points you’ve made this year. Yeah I think it’s fair to quit saying the anti Geno crowd is just biased and the pro Geno crowd is completely objective lol.
Love you man but saying Russ was figured out in 2020, didn’t play well and wasn’t why we won games when his stats beat Geno’s stats from this year and last year combined in some ways is wild.
He also is the only offensive coach we've had that is still coordinating. He consistently finds jobs for a reason. Is he the next hot play caller? No, but he is able to adapt modern NFL trends and execute them. He's the type of guy that adheres to a coaches vision and makes it happen.Well that's the thing. He is experienced but that fact that no one is knocking at his door to be their play caller should tell you something. Not getting poached isn't necessarily a good thing. If we have coaches getting the attention about the possibility of getting poached that usually means he did good things for the team.
I agree that Geno needs a string hand to keep him in line. I just thought Schotty was good at it and actually think he got canned because he wanted to hold Russ accountable and Pete had to decide between Russ and his OC.I also think if we keep Geno, this team needs a proven OC with better success than Schotty. Geno is a vet, and he is big headed. So he needs someone who can come in here and hold him accountable, as well as the rest of the players on offense. The way Schotty let Russ run all over him, I just dont see him commanding the respect of the offensive players. Especially DK.
I'm in the same boat. Netflix night...I and now many see the Denver situation much differently especially with him playing well this year.
But again while I disagree with much of what you said i appreciate you not making it personal like many do with this debate. I’m watching a show with my wife and she will kill me if I spend a ton of time on this post right now