Seattle Sounders 2016 season thread

[Smurf]

It was coming, we'd been struggling all year and the performance last weekend strongly hinted his team had quit on him. Personally I would have done it last year. The team looked stale and out of ideas with oba carrying them and the rebuild should have happened then. Even our best teams massively underperformed in the play offs against the likes of LA and RSl when they were good.

Disagree about us on paper being a strong team. So many of our players have regressed this year due to age/injury. Zach scott, chad marshall, tyrone mears. Brad evans is a stop gap cb that shouldnt be there and it shows. Joevin jones is a down grade on Gonzalez of a few years ago and maybe even a downgrade on remick. On top of that i feel ozzy hasnt been as dominant as previous years and honestly...Dempsey has been a disappointment as a Sounder. Hes been great for the usa, even recently but I can think of only a handful of games where he has stepped up and been worth the money for the Sounderd. Montero, eddie johnson, oba were far more effective.

As for the wings, we dont have anyone that defenders appear. In the past we have rosales as a quality winger, fernandez had a couple of good years, we got robbed of zakuani and yedlin would run forward and scare teams.

Its make or break time for the gm now. He needs to get his guy in asap and bed in his philosophy. Next year is probably going to be a painful rebuild year but after mext year i expect us to compete again.

Its going to be scary for some fans in the post Sigi world. We may not even be as dominant in the regular season as in the past but its all about the play offs and getting thst championship.

I think sigi to the new LA team is a good shout but I think he needs to get his health and weight sorted. He'll be under severe pressure to get that team successful from day one given the failure of chivas usa and the dominance of the galaxy

Statistically speaking, Alonso is having the best season of his career to this point. His pass percentage is way up, his tackles are up. He is in the top 10 of MLS performance ratings. His role has changed and he is asked to cover A LOT more space which makes him a less dynamic player...but I don't think he has fallen off.


Bruce and Sigi in LA at the same time would be disastrous.

 

[therealjohncarlson]

Sigi is gone! Mutually parted ways!

"Mutually" lol. I never did trust a massively overweight professional coach. If you don't have enough discipline to keep your weight at least at some kind of manageable level how can you expect to instill that kind of discipline in your players?

GTFO.

Huh??

 

[Smurf]

Sigi is gone! Mutually parted ways!

"Mutually" lol. I never did trust a massively overweight professional coach. If you don't have enough discipline to keep your weight at least at some kind of manageable level how can you expect to instill that kind of discipline in your players?

GTFO.

Huh??

I find your comment to be incredibly disrespectful.

 

[SeatownJay]

I fully expect Sigi to be named the inaugural manager of LAFC.

and if he goes...I fully expect Brad Evans to be traded to them.

Can we get them to take Zach Scott, too?

Please stop talking poorly about Zach Scott. The man is a living Sounder Legend, who is still giving his all for this club. We are lucky to still have him.

Roger Levesque is a Sounder legend, too. Doesn't change the fact that neither one of them should be seeing meaningful minutes for this club at this point.

 

[Uncle Si]

I find your comment to be incredibly disrespectful.

then use your big boy words next time.


Hanging on to "living legends" is how you end up with Michael Jordan at the Wizards.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Please stop talking poorly about Zach Scott. The man is a living Sounder Legend, who is still giving his all for this club. We are lucky to still have him.

So was Levesque, doesn't mean they belong on the roster.

Scott busts his ass, but he's at least 2-3 years past his expiration date. Especially as a dependable starter, and especially for a center defender playing out of position.

As far as Sigi? The writing was on the wall this entire season..........if the Sounders are going to try and salvage this season then he had to go to spark any sort of a resurgence now that their DP has arrived. It was the smart move.

 

[knownone]

Nicolas Lodeiro is a "star?"

When did that happen? Good player and good signing, but there are literally dozens of South American midfielders that are "stars" ahead of him.

Alvaro Fernandez has not lit the world alight since he left in 2012. Again, in suggesting that the signing of these two players makes the Sounders the "deepest team in MLS history" I would have to ask for the definition of "deep?" Are we talking sheer numbers? Because in terms of talent, well, no... that midfield is still very poor, lacks worth ethic and creativity (and discipline).

But, I like the Lodeiro signing, He will add an element and flexibility for the new manager.

I guess for the purpose of this conversation, I've got to ask, what do you consider a star?

Lodeiro is considered one of the top 3 players in Primera, and one of the faces of the league. He's been a core player in multiple World Cups, and Copa America, on a highly regarded team. He was listed as one the best players in Latin america this year by Fifa.

IMO he is a star.

Ignoring how Seattle has played as a team. On paper, this is the most talented team I can remember... Keep in mind that doesn't mean they are gonna fit, and play well together. I'm speaking solely on individual talent, relative to other MLS teams.

The Sounders ideal 11 includes - 3 time defender of the year Chad Marshall. Panama captain and best defender in Concacaf, Roman Torres (who if signed in 2012 would have been a DP). Fringe USMNT player and Sounders Captain Brad Evans (at RB).

Ozzie Alsono, the current highest rated player in MLS. Alvaro Fernandez who according to you hasn't "lit the world alight since 2012" which may be true, but in terms of talent he's a top 15 CM in MLS.

Lodeiro. Former ANT Captain, Andreas Ivanschitz. Clint... Dempsey. Jordan Morris. Nelson Valdez.

This team, talent wise, wasn't possible 2 years ago.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Ignoring how Seattle has played as a team. On paper, this is the most talented team I can remember... Keep in mind that doesn't mean they are gonna fit, and play well together. I'm speaking solely on individual talent, relative to other MLS teams.

The Sounders ideal 11 includes - 3 time defender of the year Chad Marshall. Panama captain and best defender in Concacaf, Roman Torres (who if signed in 2012 would have been a DP). Fringe USMNT player and Sounders Captain Brad Evans (at RB).

Ozzie Alsono, the current highest rated player in MLS. Alvaro Fernandez who according to you hasn't "lit the world alight since 2012" which may be true, but in terms of talent he's a top 15 CM in MLS.

Lodeiro. Former ANT Captain, Andreas Ivanschitz. Clint... Dempsey. Jordan Morris. Nelson Valdez.

This team, talent wise, wasn't possible 2 years ago.

If all these players were in their prime I'd agree with you, but IMO on paper this team is old and young in all the wrong places........and no one can convince me that this is Ozzie's best year, I don't care what the stats show. He's a step slower and not grinding out even half the 50/50 balls he used to, or being the enforcer we need him to be.

IMO the most talented team we've had was in 2014. 20 wins, 1st in conference and league, SS and US Open Cup Champs.....close 2nd would be the 2011 club.

This year? Too many aging vets and DP's that aren't performing like DP's. Let's hope Lodeiro changes that dynamic.

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

http://www.starsandstripesfc.com/2016/7 ... id-unhappy

It begins!

Write this season off and try to cash in now while you can still get something for certain players. I can't help but feel he isn't the only one. Guessing there were those in Sigi's dog house and his favorites such as Evans, Scott,

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

Softy just did a good interview with lagerway. Didnt deny the dempsey rift. A lot of interesting stuff said.

 

[hawkfan68]

Dempsey "unhappy" in Seattle...who would have known. I'm unhappy with Dempsey's play (lack of) this year. He is a "flop artist" and whines on every tackle. Tired of his antics. He used to be great. How many games has Dempsey impacted this season for the Sounders? Too bad Dempsey doesn't have Zach Scott's mettle. He's super talented but spoiled brat. That's why Scott is considered a "living legend" on the Sounders. Dempsey should have been gone and Oba kept. The Sounders could have and should have kept Oba...they made the decision not to. That was a mistake.

 

[Smurf]

Dempsey "unhappy" in Seattle...who would have known. I'm unhappy with Dempsey's play (lack of) this year. He is a "flop artist" and whines on every tackle. Tired of his antics. He used to be great. How many games has Dempsey impacted this season for the Sounders? Too bad Dempsey doesn't have Zach Scott's mettle. He's super talented but spoiled brat. That's why Scott is considered a "living legend" on the Sounders. Dempsey should have been gone and Oba kept. The Sounders could have and should have kept Oba...they made the decision not to. That was a mistake.

OBA LEFT FOR TRUCK TON OF MONEY. IT WAS NOT AN OPTION TO KEEP HIM. HE WANTED TO GO, SO WE GOT WHAT WE COULD FOR HIM.


I'm so tired of hearing the we should have kept Oba argument. No. Thats not how soccer works. China showed up with an incomprehensible sum of money, and Oba wanted to go. They literally paid over double his salary.

That's what you get for building your team around a career mercenary.

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

Agree oba has been a mercenary but the front office were shambolic in replacing him. If they didnt have one lined up you tell oba he's staying till the summer.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I'm so tired of hearing the we should have kept Oba argument. No. Thats not how soccer works. China showed up with an incomprehensible sum of money, and Oba wanted to go. They literally paid over double his salary.

It was the pittance sum of money they got for him that I've been critical of. Sorry, but when your best player is under contract, you don't let him walk for a 2M net transfer fee...............you do what clubs do to us, make us squirm and eventually pay more than we wanted to. You know, like we did to get Oba.

We paid 4M to get Oba from Levante, and he wasn't even in top form. In fact he was barely getting minutes in Levante, disgruntled and wanting out. Sound familiar?

So he comes here, does nothing but stay healthy, score goals and becomes a top 5 MLS player, and we only get 2M? Nope, not acceptable. Especially with no intelligent plan in place to replace Oba's goals other than a brittle over the hill target forward and rookie.

 

[Uncle Si]

But, I like the Lodeiro signing, He will add an element and flexibility for the new manager.
I guess for the purpose of this conversation, I've got to ask, what do you consider a star?

Lodeiro is considered one of the top 3 players in Primera, and one of the faces of the league. He's been a core player in multiple World Cups, and Copa America, on a highly regarded team. He was listed as one the best players in Latin america this year by Fifa.

IMO he is a star.

Ignoring how Seattle has played as a team. On paper, this is the most talented team I can remember... Keep in mind that doesn't mean they are gonna fit, and play well together. I'm speaking solely on individual talent, relative to other MLS teams.

The Sounders ideal 11 includes - 3 time defender of the year Chad Marshall. Panama captain and best defender in Concacaf, Roman Torres (who if signed in 2012 would have been a DP). Fringe USMNT player and Sounders Captain Brad Evans (at RB).

Ozzie Alsono, the current highest rated player in MLS. Alvaro Fernandez who according to you hasn't "lit the world alight since 2012" which may be true, but in terms of talent he's a top 15 CM in MLS.

Lodeiro. Former ANT Captain, Andreas Ivanschitz. Clint... Dempsey. Jordan Morris. Nelson Valdez.

This team, talent wise, wasn't possible 2 years ago.

For the purpose of this conversation it would be best if you gained some perspective...

You're evaluating a player's value ("star") on his stature in a league much, much smaller than the one he is joining. Lodeiro is not a "star" player. he may be a big deal in the Argentinian league, but he is not a "star." Hell, if that's your basis, I'm a "star" in my men's league.

Suggesting this dumpster fire of a roster is somehow filled with talent when you can clearly see by results they are not is a perception i also don't understand. You are citing names as if they are still at the highest anyone has ever viewed the player, but ignoring their current form. It's odd to me to do that. Lodeiro was not a "key" player for a poor Uruguay team in the most recent Copa America. And any strength he provided that team as an impact player was years ago. Dempsey is off the mark and has been for some time. Morris has gone from budding star to struggling youngster. Alonso, regardless of whatever rating metric you are trying to use, has been overmatched in the middle of the park for over a year. Fernandez is only a top 15 CM in the MLS if you somehow got a time machine and brought back the 2011 version. Even then, he's a wide mid. But it doesn't help your team to assert the names on your roster with their better days, especially when many have seen them gone, and others don't look likely to reach them.

The roster, like management, needs an overhaul. If you want to pretend all of these players are still at their zenith, or in Morris' case still worth the expectations that greeted him at the start of the season then so be it. I don't think many are looking through the same veil.

Im not purposefully trying to be harsh to bring you down. But the players on this roster are not the players they used to be, or could be. Hope is a good thing, and Lodeiro may add quality to a squad that desperately needs it. But the team will need much, much more than the 2016 versions of these players

 

[SeatownJay]

El Flaco is officially back with Seattle.

http://www.sounderatheart.com/2016/7/28 ... e-sounders

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

Meh, please be 2011 form Flaco.

Look forward to seeing Lodeiro play though.

 

[Smurf]

Meh, please be 2011 form Flaco.

Look forward to seeing Lodeiro play though.

Both are eligible to play in sundays game.

 

[SeatownJay]

Lodeiro gets the start today and looks pretty good. Seattle creating chances today, which is a vast improvement over their last showing.

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

It's like night and day watching this team today. Players actually stepping up, not waiting on someone else to.

Lodeiro has been great, hope the guy can stay healthy and consistent, if so i'm excited. Still think most MLS teams will just kick the crap out of him eventually.

Only gripe would be we need a replacement for Valdez.