Saints fan assaulted last night at the game

[HolyCatfish]

On Black & Gold he stated that the perps were hauled away by Police, but I haven't seen anything in the Seattle news about an assault. Just saying...

First post BTW, Go Hawks.

That was his biggest mistake. He claims the authorities were involved and yet mysteriously, there is no paper trail and he's unable to provide any details to the night in question, not even a police report number, after being asked repeatedly.

That also doesn't look like any trauma induced black eye I've ever seen. Allegedly, she was deliberately and intentionally smacked in the eye with an elbow no less and there doesn't appear to be any swelling at all!

I smell a false flag and all I'm saying is if one was sincerely pissed enough about some mugging by opposing fans, you'd think they'd go out of their way to post at least some details, really make the allegations stick. I'm indignant the OP didn't have the courtesy to post evidence. Just a disjointed two sentence account of some vicious attack in front of thousands of other fans in a crowded public area. This is the best accounting he can provide even though there is supposedly a police report and two arrests made. Oh yea, and after like what, 9 pages or so, he never could provide any of the promised perpetrator names.

Extremely hard to believe.

 

[45Hawker]

The issue here is that Saints want to believe this guy because a moral victory is better than no victory at all. But what's most ironic is that this story is really just an allegory for what happened on the field on Monday Night.

I found many posts by Saints on their boards where they admit the Seahawks gave them a thorough beat down.

 

[3Girls'HawkDad]

Guy was probably posting here in hopes that one of us might have seen something or have any idea who it was.

So I will try to help with an outside the box idea.

Maybe it wasn't a man and a woman, which is why the police are having such a hard time figuring it out. Maybe, it was two men.

One of the men was smaller, almost dainty. Gentle, soft hands from too much Jergens, maybe the waft of perfume was just Axxe body spray.

It can only be one person....

Pehawk.

 

[HolyCatfish]

Guy was probably posting here in hopes that one of us might have seen something or have any idea who it was.

So I will try to help with an outside the box idea.

Maybe it wasn't a man and a woman, which is why the police are having such a hard time figuring it out. Maybe, it was two men.

One of the men was smaller, almost dainty. Gentle, soft hands from too much Jergens, maybe the waft of perfume was just Axxe body spray.

It can only be one person....

Pehawk.

Good point Hawk Strap, we should all do our part to catch these vermin! Everyone! Right now! Ask all your friends that are also Seahawks fans, just who the last diminutive white woman you kicked the hell out of was. Surely SOMEONE will remember.

I beat up defenseless female fans all the time, so there's no way I could remember if this was one of mine or not. Game day is just a blur of my fists and elbows into opposing female fans faces. I feel somehow responsible and I wish I could be more help, sorry.

 

[HolyCatfish]

Could have also been the mysterious and illusive Seahawk ninja's. Just like the Seahawk Sasquach, You never see them coming until you get those elbows and fists of fury all up in ya'. Poor gal.

 

[TheOak]

Since I wasn't able to attend, I've been staying out of it until now. However....

1. To the "I have never seen anything go on, so it must not happen" crowd. If there is nothing of the sort going on there would be no need for undercover officers at the expense of your team.

That hasn't been claimed. In fact initially there was no contention that such an event might have happened. The reason a certain poster isn't being believed now is because when investigated, his story doesn't add up. I note for example that even in the case where the suspects were unable to be found, a police report would have been filed....before anyone would have left the Clink.

I agree with points 2 and 3. It is presumptious for anyone to ask for private info on a public board. I also think that the victim deserves at least some presumption. That said, reading this from start to finish (and the matching Black and Gold thread), that presumption was initially granted. It was only withdrawn when the story became less and less credible under closer scrutiny.

As for point 4, why post it here at all then? Go though the legal system. That's what it's there for. Looking at the black and gold thread, this 'incident' seemed designed to incite from the start. JIMHO

As for point five, as a Seahawk fan, I would take advantage of all the legal opportunities offered. Sad to say that violence and bad things do happen at all NFL stadiums and all NFL fanbases have their share of "scum and villiany" but IMX the Clink Security and SPD do a very good job at keeping it under control (which unfortunately is by no means perfect).

Thank you for your response. There were a few replies that were framed in the "I have never seen" manor. If you told me you were robbed at a gas station and I started my reply with "I have been to that gas station 100 times and i have never seen anything"... It lends to not believing because that person was not a witness to it ever happening before.

On point 4. Alaska has been an upstanding member of the B&G community for a number of years. I am a moderator there and browse through most postings than most. I realize you do not know me so you have no option to take what i say on anything but face value but if I thought there were holes in his story it would have been addressed on our site. The last thing we would want is an intentionally false thread that would serve to do nothing but inflame fans of both teams.

As for Alasks's postings here and on B&G... If my wife or daughter had come from from anything with a black eye I would be just as hot tempered, and the plausibility of his claim should be judged by his temper. We all handle things differently.

I know my previous post had some bite to it. Ive followed this thread from the start and I have seen references to his wife's height, questioning whether he is originally from Alaska... etc... pretty much a lot of uncalled for statements. He posted his thread just after midnight Central time; for us the game started at :740 PM, we have a game thread and live chat during the games. If something like that happened to my wife while she was out of town I am sure the Saints boards would be the place I would go after I got off the phone with my wife and I wouldn't have to "fire up the PC" to do it.

To the gent from San Antonio... Please re-read my post. It was in reference to whether or not hitting a woman in the face because of something she said. It had nothing to do with idiot parents.

As far as for the person that accused me of joining this site to flame. All you have to do is look in my avatar area and you will see I joined before the game. Should i expect your rebuttal to include a conspiracy theory that I joined knowing this would happen? Come on Man! LOL

It is easy to hear of something that happened in your home town when you are from a large city and know all of the should-a coulda-s. Its also very easy as a male to react in a certain way after a traumatic incident. I can tell you right now, if my wife were hit at a game in C-Link with the crowd noise as loud as it is and not being from there, I doubt she would have all of her faculties together in such a way that she would know what to do.... who to call... I can tell you right now, my wife wouldn't know the difference between Seattle PD and C-Link security. If you read his statements which were given to him by his wife he said the couple was removed from the game. For that to happen his wife would have had to have grabbed someone with a uniform and told them. I know a lot of cops and I also know there is procedural steps for just about everything they come across... I also know those steps are not followed to a T 100% of the time.

So if you ladies and gents wouldn't mind can we defer the slander and inflammatory assumptions and accusations until something either does or doesn't come of this? I get that some of the statements are in retaliation, but they do not help either side.

 

[HolyCatfish]

Oak,

Slander, inflammatory assumptions and accusations can turn an otherwise dull thread into pure excitement though. Seahawks fans never give anyone the benefit of the doubt anyway, just like we never apologize. I'm sorry, that's just how we are.

 

[Ozzy]

The Saints forum started off good and turned into a joke after the loss. I expected a lot more but was severely dissapointed. Seahawks fans can get a good laugh at all the anti Russell Wilson stuff claiming he is no where near elite and other ridiculous posts. Regardless....

I have no idea if this incident actually happened for not. I sincerely hope not as this kind of behavior should not be tolerated. I went to a Hawks game and saw a few Titans jerseys but from what I saw fans were very respectful and both sides had fun with it. I hate to see and hear about stuff like this.

 

[jblaze]

This is obviously fake and he is a terrible liar. Just trying to slander the 12's and get some attention, nothing to see here.

He stirred up the hornet's nest and is now, rightfully so, absent.

Next time don't be so obvious troll.

 

[Inspector]

It wouldn't surprise me if it really happened. Years ago I lived in Oregon. I had some buddies that came up for a hawks game in the king dome. They were wearing the opposing teams colors. After the game they received a beating. Broken nose, some cracked ribs....

I can't imagine they were completely innocent, but we were in high school and they were attacked by a group of guys in their 20's. Of course back in those days nobody paid much attention to some punk kids getting thrashed.

Usually it takes two people to start a fight. Not always, but usually. There's a chance there's more to the story if it's true.

Anyway, get tens of thousands of sports fans together and feed them beer. There's bound to be a black eye at every game. Really it's surprising to me this isn't more common.

If it happened, it's embarrassing to our team and our city.

 

[HolyCatfish]

His initial "rage" fueled account is suspicious right from the start.

For my wife going to the restroom?
Male Seahawks fan elbows her in the ribs and his wife punches her in the eye.
Names to follow.

Did anyone else catch that? A male and female perp got her in the restroom? Was the guy hiding in a garbage can or something? Where did the attack happen exactly?

If this is the slander job it's suspected of being, that's a pretty damn low blow on the Saints part. Police reports of Fights and opposing players getting attacked ALWAYS get's reported in the local news too.

 

[Cartire]

There's no police report. That it. There's nothing more to debate. No report, it didn't happen.

You don't hire a lawyer without a police report. That the first thing they need to have to be at all useful as a lawyer. No report, no crime.

There's no more debate until a police report is filed. Since it still hasn't been filed, then the claim is false. Why there is anymore debate is silly.

 

[RockHawk]

I think the thread has run it's course, so I'll allow it to die a slow death from the front page. I will, however, make two final points to ensure clarity as to what I feel are take takeaways from this incident;

1 - There are absolutely incidents of violence that happen at every sporting event, and that includes Seattle. In the event that the incident actually happened as Alaska described, this is a horrible thing to have happen and I hope your wife feels better soon. Let her know that unlike what you clearly perceive, the Seattle fanbase is extremely tolerant of opposing fans and this one violent incident represents dirtbags at a Seahawks game, not the entire fanbase. With that being said, I'm offended to be grouped together with scum like that and ask that you not paint us "liberals" with such a broad stroke.

2 - With that being said, I have heard nothing to make me believe you're telling the truth. Could it have happened as you described? Of course, but as has been pointed out already, it would have taken a very unlikely set of circumstances to not end up with an assault report being issued by security and SPD. Until such evidence is brought to light, I'm choosing to side with the facts which at this time are represented by the Seattle Police Department, C-link security logs, and the fact that in it's 10 year history, only 4 reports of assault have EVER been reported in the club seat section you are refering to, and the last one was 4 years ago.

I will not stoop to the level of some here and make fun of you, your wife, or the incident you claim took place because there's no reason (outside of being offended by your generalization of all Seahawks fans as such). But I offer you the full and complete opportunity to present your own factual evidence to validate your claims to change my perception of the events at any time. This can be through me directly (PM or email me), or through the SPD by giving me the Case # to review, which would be available to the public anyways.

Until that point, I'm sorry both of our websites (Black&Gold & .NET) have been distracted from what we should be talking about, which is next week's game. With that, I'll say good luck this week against the Panthers and Go Hawks!

 

[Ozzy]

After reading through this I think its garbage as well. Gotta agree with Cartire on this one.

 

[hawker84]

Regardless if this incident happend or not and if it did it's truly unfortunate, but the fact that we had one of our posters go over and express his sincere regret on behalf of the 12's, and not only not be acknowledged for doing it but be attacked and ridiculed for it is BS. People get assaulted every day in every walk of life, deal with it and go through the proper channels to have the situation resolved, to throw an entire fanbase, city and team under the bus for a couple of idiots is beyond ridiculous.

Almost as ridiculous as your Black and Gold board. I can truly say i've never though i'd see a fan base more delusional than the niners or redskins but man you guys take the cake. So let me get this right, reasons for loosing monday night include.

the entire team is on roids including the coaching staff
our stadium is a gimmick and we pump in fake noise, some of your posters know this for a fact
there's more but why bother, however my favorite reason is drum roll please.........

Peyton was holding the offense back because he knew they weren't going to win, and he wanted to keep things under rap for the Carolina game. I get that one right? Not only was i blown away reading that, but reading further i discoverd to my complete suprise, a lot and i mean a lot of your posters agreed? Huh.

you have a soft team, you're defense is mediocre at best, your secondary is attrocious even with your starting db's in and you were exposed big time on national tv.. Deal with it...

You guys got tallywacked by a better team, and you'll get tallywacked by a better team should you make it back up north. And OAK, you're the worst of the bunch. Piss off, good day gentlemen....

 

[IcedHawk]

This whole thread is entertaining.

 

[TheOak]

Oak,

Slander, inflammatory assumptions and accusations can turn an otherwise dull thread into pure excitement though. Seahawks fans never give anyone the benefit of the doubt anyway, just like we never apologize. I'm sorry, that's just how we are.

Did you just apologize for never apologizing?

I get it... really I do. I have been known to inject color into threads to brighten the place up also. I do see that there is a difference between calling Collin Kaepernick a talentless priss and telling someone their wife has no talent... Excitement at the expense of someones family member is not what we are about though is it? I would most certainly talk smack about any other fans team but I wouldn't leave them stranded on the side of the road just because they had a Falcons or Cowboys flag on their car....

And while I might get a moments pleasure from seeing a Falcons, 49ers, or Cowboys fan stranded on the side of the road, it would pass and I would stop and give assistance. There has to be some honor amongst the fans that do not go out looking for someone to punch, if there isn't then there is not much that separates us from them.

We protect our own just as you protect your own. The initial response from 1/2 is remorse, the other 1/2 calls BS; and I understand both...

I will leave it at this... Neither fanbase wants their boards polluted with flame threads.

Peace and kick the 49ers arse for me please... But not took bad, I am starting Lynch and your defense, and I do not need Lynch sitting out because you ran the score up

 

[CANHawk]

There is a big part of me that desperately wants this story to be true, because it's just too hard for me to digest the fact that somebody would feel the need to fabricate such a bullshit cockameme story simply for sake of getting attention. I just can't accept the fact that somebody would be so lame. But, in light of the facts laid out by the 12's, and Alaskaman's apparent inability to deliver a consistent story, it just doesn't add up...

 

[RockHawk]

Oak,

Slander, inflammatory assumptions and accusations can turn an otherwise dull thread into pure excitement though. Seahawks fans never give anyone the benefit of the doubt anyway, just like we never apologize. I'm sorry, that's just how we are.

Did you just apologize for never apologizing?

I get it... really I do. I have been known to inject color into threads to brighten the place up also. I do see that there is a difference between calling Collin Kaepernick a talentless priss and telling someone their wife has no talent... Excitement at the expense of someones family member is not what we are about though is it? I would most certainly talk smack about any other fans team but I wouldn't leave them stranded on the side of the road just because they had a Falcons or Cowboys flag on their car....

And while I might get a moments pleasure from seeing a Falcons, 49ers, or Cowboys fan stranded on the side of the road, it would pass and I would stop and give assistance. There has to be some honor amongst the fans that do not go out looking for someone to punch, if there isn't then there is not much that separates us from them.

We protect our own just as you protect your own. The initial response from 1/2 is remorse, the other 1/2 calls BS; and I understand both...

And I completely appreciate you doing so, and welcome you to stay around and join in the actual FOOTBALL discussions we have. Welcome to .NET, and as I said in this unnecessary topic, good luck this weekend with the Panthers!

 

[IcedHawk]

Oak,

Slander, inflammatory assumptions and accusations can turn an otherwise dull thread into pure excitement though. Seahawks fans never give anyone the benefit of the doubt anyway, just like we never apologize. I'm sorry, that's just how we are.

Did you just apologize for never apologizing?

I get it... really I do. I have been known to inject color into threads to brighten the place up also. I do see that there is a difference between calling Collin Kaepernick a talentless priss and telling someone their wife has no talent... Excitement at the expense of someones family member is not what we are about though is it? I would most certainly talk smack about any other fans team but I wouldn't leave them stranded on the side of the road just because they had a Falcons or Cowboys flag on their car....

And while I might get a moments pleasure from seeing a Falcons, 49ers, or Cowboys fan stranded on the side of the road, it would pass and I would stop and give assistance. There has to be some honor amongst the fans that do not go out looking for someone to punch, if there isn't then there is not much that separates us from them.

We protect our own just as you protect your own. The initial response from 1/2 is remorse, the other 1/2 calls BS; and I understand both...

For what it's worth, I will be rooting for you guys against the Panthers.