Saints fan assaulted last night at the game

[UK_Seahawk]

On your home board, it's your home board. They know me there. I'm not gonna BLEED anybody unless I was there when this happened. I'd be in jail if that were the case as Marines don't take too well to their wives being beat up.

Ah, Seattle is a VERY liberal city. It doesn't get any more liberal than Seattle. Well, maybe Portland.

I cannot call the police. I am not the victim. My wife's attorney will be contacting them, however.

Alaska

Can you answer the questions that were asked of you? You did ask if anyone had any questions, and people replied with questions. You just keep continuing to spew nonsense that has nothing to do with the situation.

Yup. Asks if we have any questions, then fails to answer even a single one. :tomato:

Did you have a question, bud? Or are you just posturing?

Alaska

I have a question:

If the Clink is such a wretched hive of scum and villainy (as attested to by your previous visits), then why did you let your wife go on her own with a terminally ill travelling companion?

 

[TheOak]

There are a handful of level heads in this thread but that is about it. I will address some points.

1. To the "I have never seen anything go on, so it must not happen" crowd. If there is nothing of the sort going on there would be no need for undercover officers at the expense of your team.
http://www.seahawks.com/news/press/arti ... 3953833227

I suppose this didn't happen: http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/ ... 775959.php
The bottom portion adds credibility to Alaskas claim: http://www.komonews.com/news/crime/Bath ... 71281.html

2. If you are not a member of Seattle PD what gives you the right to start asking for personal information? The audacity to think some of you want to call his lawyer or ask for a police report for something you were not involved in is outright amazing. If this had happened to you in New Orleans would you start giving out your lawyers name and number? Seriously.... You would put your lawyers name and phone number out in public on the internet? Saints fans did not come here and post this incident, one of your own members did of his own accord and now you are of the mind that he owes you some sort of due explanation and answers?

3. I realize my Southern values are different from yours in the North West; however, to those who want to play the "what did she say to provoke it" crowd. There is absolutely nothing any woman can say that justifies being hit <full stop>

4. Proving anything what so ever to you or I for that matter does nothing for his wife and him self.

5. If a Seahawks fan was attacked by a Seahawks fan would you publicly roast and make these demands as if you were Judge and Jury? Based on what I have seen here, shall I go ahead and assume that no two Seahawks fans have ever been in a scuffle at C-link?

Your mob mentality while in C-link during a game is part of the experience and the home field advantage. The mob mentality that I have witnessed here as you sit and attack a victim is absolutely shameful. You either believe what happened or you don't, I expected a somewhat more subjective approach from Seattle Fans. Not sure why... but I did.

 

[LymonHawk]

I could care less about what you expect.

You think this is the first time, that after a 'Hawks butt-woopin', some clown starts screaming about how he/wife/kid were molested/assaulted/called poopie heads, at Seahawks Stadium? LOL It ain't the first time, and unfortunately it won't be the last.

Could be that some of those folks have something to complain about, but not this clown. Have you ever been to the Club Section of the CLink? His wife is in line, gets assaulted by two people WHILE IN LINE, and no one notices? No one has their cell phone out taking pics/videos? No one starts screaming for the police? If you believe that, you've never been to Seattle.

Did you sign-up here just to bitch about this thread? Ha! Get a life...

 

[Polaris]

Since I wasn't able to attend, I've been staying out of it until now. However....

1. To the "I have never seen anything go on, so it must not happen" crowd. If there is nothing of the sort going on there would be no need for undercover officers at the expense of your team.

That hasn't been claimed. In fact initially there was no contention that such an event might have happened. The reason a certain poster isn't being believed now is because when investigated, his story doesn't add up. I note for example that even in the case where the suspects were unable to be found, a police report would have been filed....before anyone would have left the Clink.

I agree with points 2 and 3. It is presumptious for anyone to ask for private info on a public board. I also think that the victim deserves at least some presumption. That said, reading this from start to finish (and the matching Black and Gold thread), that presumption was initially granted. It was only withdrawn when the story became less and less credible under closer scrutiny.

As for point 4, why post it here at all then? Go though the legal system. That's what it's there for. Looking at the black and gold thread, this 'incident' seemed designed to incite from the start. JIMHO

As for point five, as a Seahawk fan, I would take advantage of all the legal opportunities offered. Sad to say that violence and bad things do happen at all NFL stadiums and all NFL fanbases have their share of "scum and villiany" but IMX the Clink Security and SPD do a very good job at keeping it under control (which unfortunately is by no means perfect).

 

[UK_Seahawk]

, I expected a somewhat more subjective approach from Seattle Fans. Not sure why... but I did.

We are being subjective, it's your fans that are saying that certain things definitely happened.

Looking at the story so far there seems to be quite a few holes in it.

Not contacting SPD when there was a chance to directly do so.

The lack of security that saw 2 supposed frenzied attackers seemingly exit the stadium with no report being made.

The person claiming that internal security were handling it, when it's been pointed out that SPD handle assaults.

The area in which the alleged assault took place is crawling with security.

As a medical professional I'm looking at the injury on the image first posted with some scepticism, I certainly think the exif data on the image would make for interesting reading.

Also, a guy who thinks Seattle is some kind of post apocalyptic mad max style city, who has witnessed untold horrors from Seattles crowd, who apparently even walks his missus to the restroom at games decides to let his wife and terminally ill friend attend this game alone. If something did happen then he failed her, maybe it's his guilt at that making him so frenzied? Or the BS maybe?

As I say if something did happen then most here would deplore the incident and hope that justice would be done. I don't want to talk for all Seahawks fans but I'm guessing most would not want to be tainted by idiots who do cause trouble. I guess all we can do is wait and see what happens. That's how to be subjective.

There is also the factor that if something did happen then the wife herself may have caused the problem that was reacted to. We just don't know do we?

I think what has annoyed most is the suggestion that Seattle has some kind of endemic problem with violence when that's clearly not the case.

 

[-The Glove-]

Give me a break with your BS condescending post. The "I've never seen it" crowd is a counter to his "every time I'm in Clink, I see violence, yet I'll let my wife and sick friend go there alone while i keep my Marine ass at home". No one is saying it never happens (it happens in every stadium, except the Superdome in the good ol' South of course), it just doesn't happen as often as your buddy would lead you to believe. If your southern values comes with that much naïveté, I'll stick with my "Northwest values" whatever that means

 

[UK_Seahawk]

I could care less about what you expect.

Surely it's I *couldn't* care less?

Crazy yanks.

/thread derailed

 

[-The Glove-]

, I expected a somewhat more subjective approach from Seattle Fans. Not sure why... but I did.

As I say if something did happen then most here would deplore the incident and hope that justice would be done. I don't want to talk for all Seahawks fans but I'm guessing most would not want to be tainted by idiots who do cause trouble. I guess all we can do is wait and see what happens. That's how to be subjective.

There is also the factor that if something did happen then the wife herself may have caused the problem that was reacted to. We just don't know do we?

I think what has annoyed most is the suggestion that Seattle has some kind of endemic problem with violence when that's clearly not the case.

This part is on point

 

[Barthawk]

There are a handful of level heads in this thread but that is about it. I will address some points.

1. To the "I have never seen anything go on, so it must not happen" crowd. If there is nothing of the sort going on there would be no need for undercover officers at the expense of your team.
http://www.seahawks.com/news/press/arti ... 3953833227

I suppose this didn't happen: http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/ ... 775959.php
The bottom portion adds credibility to Alaskas claim: http://www.komonews.com/news/crime/Bath ... 71281.html

2. If you are not a member of Seattle PD what gives you the right to start asking for personal information? The audacity to think some of you want to call his lawyer or ask for a police report for something you were not involved in is outright amazing. If this had happened to you in New Orleans would you start giving out your lawyers name and number? Seriously.... You would put your lawyers name and phone number out in public on the internet? Saints fans did not come here and post this incident, one of your own members did of his own accord and now you are of the mind that he owes you some sort of due explanation and answers?

3. I realize my Southern values are different from yours in the North West; however, to those who want to play the "what did she say to provoke it" crowd. There is absolutely nothing any woman can say that justifies being hit <full stop>

4. Proving anything what so ever to you or I for that matter does nothing for his wife and him self.

5. If a Seahawks fan was attacked by a Seahawks fan would you publicly roast and make these demands as if you were Judge and Jury? Based on what I have seen here, shall I go ahead and assume that no two Seahawks fans have ever been in a scuffle at C-link?

Your mob mentality while in C-link during a game is part of the experience and the home field advantage. The mob mentality that I have witnessed here as you sit and attack a victim is absolutely shameful. You either believe what happened or you don't, I expected a somewhat more subjective approach from Seattle Fans. Not sure why... but I did.

Get over yourself.. Your southern values are so pristine eh? Is that why I routinely see soccer parents and HS football fans thrown out of their KIDS games here in SOUTH Texas?

70k people in one small area with a good majority drinking.. Not everyone is going to possess virtuous "Southern" values, but for this guy to say he is 3/3 in fights at the Clink when he or a family member has attended is total crap. 75+ games and I have never been witness to any violence other than a few drunk Hawk fans fighting each other in the North lot after a loss to the Rams in 04. When I say fight it was pushing, shoving and alot of "how much can you bench" talk back and forth.

 

[LymonHawk]

I could care less about what you expect.

Surely it's I *couldn't* care less?

Crazy yanks.

/thread derailed

Wouldn't that be a double negative? :mrgreen:

 

[LymonHawk]

Let me get this straight?

A woman gets assaulted in front of many people,

She's sitting there crying as her eye (should be) starts to swell,

Security/SPD come and remove the assailants,

And no one takes her statement and has her sign it?

No one has a Dr. take a look at her?

No one checks to she if she might be concussed?


You do realize that if this story were true, the 'Hawks/Clink could be held liable for damages. Does anyone over the age of 15 believe they would just let her go her own way without trying to cover their collective butts?

Really?

PS: How come he doesn't mention his wife's medical examination? Didn't her Fiery Red-Headed Attorney, have her take an exam? Yup, nottin' fishy here.

 

[UK_Seahawk]

I could care less about what you expect.

Surely it's I *couldn't* care less?

Crazy yanks.

/thread derailed

Wouldn't that be a double negative? :mrgreen:

No.

If your care level is at 0% then you are unable to care less, you simply "couldnt care less" than 0%. If you could care less then that means you must care a bit as it would be possible to care less.

An example would be: I couldnt care less about my wife getting smacked which is why I didn't contact Seattle PD.

 

[LymonHawk]

I could care less about what you expect.

Surely it's I *couldn't* care less?

Crazy yanks.

/thread derailed

Wouldn't that be a double negative? :mrgreen:

No.

If your care level is at 0% then you are unable to care less, you simply "couldnt care less" than 0%. If you could care less then that means you must care a bit as it would be possible to care less.

An example would be: I couldnt care less about my wife getting smacked which is why I didn't contact Seattle PD.

Aaahh, I see the problem...

You are assuming I speak English; incorrect. I speak American Bronxese. So there.

 

[JonRud]

I didn't real this whole thread but I will tell you I was at the game Sec. 328. right around halftime I was down in the concourse and saw two policemen escorting two people out of the stadium. One was a woman. it looked like they were going quietly.

didn't notice if they were wearing any Saints gear.

 

[Anguish]

I didn't real this whole thread but I will tell you I was at the game Sec. 328. right around halftime I was down in the concourse and saw two policemen escorting two people out of the stadium. One was a woman. it looked like they were going quietly.

didn't notice if they were wearing any Saints gear.

Oh, but you need to read it.

Archive materials. :snack:

 

[Sports Hernia]

Still waiting to see a copy of the SPD police report that is curiously missing from this "fairy tale"!

 

[HawkMeat]

Since I wasn't able to attend, I've been staying out of it until now. However....

1. To the "I have never seen anything go on, so it must not happen" crowd. If there is nothing of the sort going on there would be no need for undercover officers at the expense of your team.

That hasn't been claimed. In fact initially there was no contention that such an event might have happened. The reason a certain poster isn't being believed now is because when investigated, his story doesn't add up. I note for example that even in the case where the suspects were unable to be found, a police report would have been filed....before anyone would have left the Clink.

I agree with points 2 and 3. It is presumptious for anyone to ask for private info on a public board. I also think that the victim deserves at least some presumption. That said, reading this from start to finish (and the matching Black and Gold thread), that presumption was initially granted. It was only withdrawn when the story became less and less credible under closer scrutiny.

As for point 4, why post it here at all then? Go though the legal system. That's what it's there for. Looking at the black and gold thread, this 'incident' seemed designed to incite from the start. JIMHO

As for point five, as a Seahawk fan, I would take advantage of all the legal opportunities offered. Sad to say that violence and bad things do happen at all NFL stadiums and all NFL fanbases have their share of "scum and villiany" but IMX the Clink Security and SPD do a very good job at keeping it under control (which unfortunately is by no means perfect).

Great post. :snack:

There isn't anything to say that has not been said, but I find the attorney comments interesting. If damages occurred it was not serious enough to go to the hospital right? To try and prove the stadium is liable would be difficult in my unprofessional opinion ;-), especially after the multiple threads and posts. Also, proving that the other people were the assailants would be difficult now anyway, and if they exist their stories maybe different.

At every stadium assaults and injury does happen, because mixing fandom and alcohol. That is why every stadium has security and police. When I see a bloodied guy it isn't uncommonthe fight occurred with another fan of the same team.

Now back to :snack:

 

[seedhawk]

MEH. This is just the first example of the "new knockout game". Now, instead of just coldcocking someone on a random street, the players must buy tickets to an NFL game, stand in line, buy beer, carry their stuff in small clear baggies, then sometime in the 3rd quarter, (no other quarter will work), they must go clobber someone in the restroom line, elude security and police.

Good golly! Can anyone play?

 

[45Hawker]

12's - this has gone too far. I think if we're honest, we can agree that it's possible that the incident could happen at Clink (booze, gladiator environment that is CLink, etc.). I'm not saying it's common, but it is indeed possible. Instead of trying to defend, prove, accuse, why not just take and maintain the high-road?

If you have confidence in the true CLink experience and decorum of your fellow Seahawks fans, you won't need to get in this back-and-forth with AlaskaSaint. His is only one experience of many. Next time you're at C-Link and see an opposing fan, tell them, "Welcome, I hope you're enjoying the city and the game." Show visitors hospitality and continue to grow a positive representation for the 12's. What's going on now with this issue isn't doing that.

 

[Sarlacc83]

, I expected a somewhat more subjective approach from Seattle Fans. Not sure why... but I did.

We are being subjective, it's your fans that are saying that certain things definitely happened.

Looking at the story so far there seems to be quite a few holes in it.

Not contacting SPD when there was a chance to directly do so.

The lack of security that saw 2 supposed frenzied attackers seemingly exit the stadium with no report being made.

The person claiming that internal security were handling it, when it's been pointed out that SPD handle assaults.

The area in which the alleged assault took place is crawling with security.

As a medical professional I'm looking at the injury on the image first posted with some scepticism, I certainly think the exif data on the image would make for interesting reading.

Also, a guy who thinks Seattle is some kind of post apocalyptic mad max style city, who has witnessed untold horrors from Seattles crowd, who apparently even walks his missus to the restroom at games decides to let his wife and terminally ill friend attend this game alone. If something did happen then he failed her, maybe it's his guilt at that making him so frenzied? Or the BS maybe?

As I say if something did happen then most here would deplore the incident and hope that justice would be done. I don't want to talk for all Seahawks fans but I'm guessing most would not want to be tainted by idiots who do cause trouble. I guess all we can do is wait and see what happens. That's how to be subjective.

There is also the factor that if something did happen then the wife herself may have caused the problem that was reacted to. We just don't know do we?

I think what has annoyed most is the suggestion that Seattle has some kind of endemic problem with violence when that's clearly not the case.

You know why Alaska is getting his ass handed to him? Because he's lying. Plenty of us would be sympathetic to him if this had actually happened. But it didn't, so he's going to get ridiculed and have questions asked of him that he won't answer because they'd corroborate a real story.

The issue here is that Saints want to believe this guy because a moral victory is better than no victory at all. But what's most ironic is that this story is really just an allegory for what happened on the field on Monday Night.