Rumor: RW asking to be the highest paid player in history

[Tical21]

I still don't think there is any chance this gets done this year, as we can't get anywhere near being able to afford what he is asking without cutting several good players.

If Wilson signs a deal with a typical QB structure and rolls it into his final cheap year, his 2015 cap hit would be about $10 million or so due to the way that signing bonuses work. Should be manageable.

Regarding the top five money line of thinking, here are the AYP salaries for every starting QB currently not in the top five who is not on his rookie contract:

Peyton Manning $19,200,000
Colin Kaepernick $19,000,000
Jay Cutler $18,100,000
Tony Romo $18,000,000
Matt Stafford $17,666,667
Alex Smith $17,000,000
Carson Palmer $16,500,000
Eli Manning $16,250,000
Andy Dalton $16,000,000
Philip Rivers $15,300,000
Tom Brady $11,400,000
Brian Hoyer $5,250,000
Matt Cassel $5,250,000
Josh McCown $4,666,667

Most of those QBs have never won a Lombardi, and never will. I personally wouldn't trade Wilson straight up for any of them, even at $22+ million AYP.

Of course, you could always draft Bryce Petty in the 3rd round and hope to get lucky. Very lucky. And even if you did get lucky, he'd only be cheap for four years.

I'm asking this out of curiousity, because I've never taken the time to look into it. Say Russell gets what, 5 years at 100 million, 50 million guaranteed, 30 to sign. Is that ballpark right? 30 million over 5 years means the cap hit for the signing bonus is 6 per year. Year 1 salary is going to be like 4 million? Does that mean his year 5 salary is like 35 million? I don't get that part.

Okay, so we've found that the Super Bowl winners probably aren't going to come from the 5 highest paid QB's. So they will most likely come from this next group. Brady fits my criteria quite well. Maybe Rivers or Dalton. Maybe Luck? He would have to win this year to meet my criteria most likely. Maybe the next champs are going to come from guys making less than the guys on this list. Maybe Foles or Bradford? Newton? It will be an interesting theory to follow for the next several seasons, especially as Luck and Wilson get paid.

I thought we were the team known for outside the box thinking. The ballsy, outside the box move is to not bow to the pressure of the media and fanbase to overpay your quarterback. I know it is a huge risk, and I know it is absolutely unheard of to try, but the rest of our roster is so darn good, I think we can teach a QB not to turn it over and hopefully make a couple plays in the process. There are cheap guys we can win Super Bowls with. Then we would have the money to add that receiver AND add Houston or another huge piece, AND pay Wagner. And continue to have one of the most ridiculous rosters in the history of pro football.

If you think Russell is THAT guy, you have no choice, you have to pay him. But if he isn't, paying him will completely kill your franchise. I personally don't think he is THAT guy. He makes it look so much more difficult than all the other incredible quarterbacks we have seen over the years, and I just don't think he really gets the intricacies of the passing game. Eventually those dancing shoes will get holes in them if he doesn't start to take strides that will make life easier on himself. Watch that playoff and SB tape. It's not good. And it wasn't because of the receivers or Bevell primarily.

 

[Rob12]

Our team has to look a whole lot different if/when this happens...

Players likely to be gone:

Okung
Mebane
Irvin

There's gotta be more than that, too. It's not just the dollars, it's what players will be sacrificed due to Russ' contract demands.

 

[Blitzer88]

The more this goes on the less confident I am about a deal getting done soon.

 

[Rob12]

The more this goes on the less confident I am about a deal getting done soon.

Soon won't happen, man. If these reports have a shred of truth to them, the two sides are nowhere close.

 

[Rob12]

I have a sinking feeling that PCJS will stand firm. They will give Russell Wilson a fair offer, but I don't believe anymore for one minute that they will allow themselves to be held hostage by his camp. If he wants to be the highest paid player ever - by a significant margin - I think they're confident/cocky enough to believe that they can just go find themselves another quarterback. That's risky, but these guys do not think like we do. They have put their blood, sweat, and tears into completely rebuilding this organization, and if they feel paying their franchise quarterback $25M a season will undermine what their vision is, they will simply let him walk.

It's a scary thought to be sure. I don't think it will happen. But if PCJS have shown me anything over the past five seasons, it's that they do not think anything like me. And because of that, I'm not quite as confident in thinking that this is all a foregone conclusion. They absolutely want him as their quarterback forever, and are willing to pay him fairly, but they won't overpay when it comes at the cost of the wholeness of the Seattle Seahawks.

 

[Rob12]

Man this was so predictable. I am shocked by some of the response. Where are all the " greatest eva" best QB in the NFL,"" pay him what eva he wants" crowd? Man, sometimes I swear this site is no better than the toiletzone. Responses on this thread about RW being different than any one of us promote how ignorant our newbie our fan base appears to the national audience.

I trust that JS will get this settled before the season starts, it may cost the Hawks a couple high profile players though. Our best linebacker and Irvin might be the casualty's. Starting left tackle would be another. And Lynch next year, no matter how he performs.

Like I said last year ( and got torn apart by ass hats on this site) is RW worth what he will demand? I still say yes, but at a tremendous cost.

Don't dislocate your shoulder by patting yourself on the back too much. It's not like you made some grandiose prediction, chief. A lot of people saw it playing out this way.

 

[theincrediblesok]

I still don't think there is any chance this gets done this year, as we can't get anywhere near being able to afford what he is asking without cutting several good players.

If Wilson signs a deal with a typical QB structure and rolls it into his final cheap year, his 2015 cap hit would be about $10 million or so due to the way that signing bonuses work. Should be manageable.

Regarding the top five money line of thinking, here are the AYP salaries for every starting QB currently not in the top five who is not on his rookie contract:

Peyton Manning $19,200,000
Colin Kaepernick $19,000,000
Jay Cutler $18,100,000
Tony Romo $18,000,000
Matt Stafford $17,666,667
Alex Smith $17,000,000
Carson Palmer $16,500,000
Eli Manning $16,250,000
Andy Dalton $16,000,000
Philip Rivers $15,300,000
Tom Brady $11,400,000
Brian Hoyer $5,250,000
Matt Cassel $5,250,000
Josh McCown $4,666,667

Most of those QBs have never won a Lombardi, and never will. I personally wouldn't trade Wilson straight up for any of them, even at $22+ million AYP.

Of course, you could always draft Bryce Petty in the 3rd round and hope to get lucky. Very lucky. And even if you did get lucky, he'd only be cheap for four years.

I'm asking this out of curiousity, because I've never taken the time to look into it. Say Russell gets what, 5 years at 100 million, 50 million guaranteed, 30 to sign. Is that ballpark right? 30 million over 5 years means the cap hit for the signing bonus is 6 per year. Year 1 salary is going to be like 4 million? Does that mean his year 5 salary is like 35 million? I don't get that part.

Okay, so we've found that the Super Bowl winners probably aren't going to come from the 5 highest paid QB's. So they will most likely come from this next group. Brady fits my criteria quite well. Maybe Rivers or Dalton. Maybe Luck? He would have to win this year to meet my criteria most likely. Maybe the next champs are going to come from guys making less than the guys on this list. Maybe Foles or Bradford? Newton? It will be an interesting theory to follow for the next several seasons, especially as Luck and Wilson get paid.

I thought we were the team known for outside the box thinking. The ballsy, outside the box move is to not bow to the pressure of the media and fanbase to overpay your quarterback. I know it is a huge risk, and I know it is absolutely unheard of to try, but the rest of our roster is so darn good, I think we can teach a QB not to turn it over and hopefully make a couple plays in the process. There are cheap guys we can win Super Bowls with. Then we would have the money to add that receiver AND add Houston or another huge piece, AND pay Wagner. And continue to have one of the most ridiculous rosters in the history of pro football.

If you think Russell is THAT guy, you have no choice, you have to pay him. But if he isn't, paying him will completely kill your franchise. I personally don't think he is THAT guy. He makes it look so much more difficult than all the other incredible quarterbacks we have seen over the years, and I just don't think he really gets the intricacies of the passing game. Eventually those dancing shoes will get holes in them if he doesn't start to take strides that will make life easier on himself. Watch that playoff and SB tape. It's not good. And it wasn't because of the receivers or Bevell primarily.

We get it Russell is too short

So he played badly I guess the best QB's could do no such things right? Wrong

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/co ... qbs/19766/

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I don't know why everyone is blaming Russell wanting to be paid as the highest NFL player. Blame the teams and the NFL for jacking up the value of the position. In 2005 Tom Brady signed a 6 year $60 million dollar contract after winning 3 Superbowls, then in 2011 he signed a 4 year $72 million contact (making him the highest paid player in the NFL at the time) but right into 2013 he restructured to take less to keep some of his guys only for the FO to take them away from him. Right now Aaron Rodgers is at 5 years $110 million that he signed in 2013. So in just a few years the price of a Superbowl winning QB went up by $4 million more a year. After 2011 Brady's contract jumped up by $8 million more per year that's a big difference coming from $10 million a year to $18 million a year in 6 years. This is just the nature of the beast. Once Russell becomes the highest paid QB, either by the Seahawks or another team, then Luck will get his chance to become the highest paid player, and thus forth. It's a cylce that will continue on and on as long as the NFL is relevant.

Should Russ take less money to field a better teams with great players all around him, yea sure

Could Russ take the most money he can get and rely on drafted players to contend year in and year out, yeah sure

This will be his first contract really, he want what's best for him first as he's already given so much to the Seahawks on his measly rookie contract. He's the face of the franchise and sometimes it seems like he's also the ambassador of the NFL. He's very marketable and the Seahawks are making huge money off of him. He can be selfish and I wouldn't blame him at all, he's worked hard to get where he's at. If the Seahawks are staying pat at a 4 year $80 Million then they deserve to lose him. Russell says he wants to stay and loves the city, give him a longer contract 5 years $120 million, the salary cap is going up each year anyways and I think Russell and his agent knows this, it's going to go up almost $10 million per year.

 

[KitsapGuy]

The contract for Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson will eventually get done. Not many young players who have been to a pair of Super Bowls are allowed to walk after the conclusion of their rookie deal.


But according to ESPN 710's Danny O'Neil, neither side is close to agreeing on a rumored extension worth $120 million with half of the money guaranteed.

They are apparently "10s of millions" apart.

"In fact, the Seahawks haven't put $100 million on the table right now," O'Neil said, citing various league sources familiar with negotiations. "The offer of a four-year extension is believed to be worth closer to $80 million."

Basically, Seattle wants to pay Wilson like a better Andy Dalton or Colin Kaepernick, which makes a ton of sense.

They do not want his numbers to creep into the neighborhood of say Aaron Rodgers or Ben Roethlisberger.

Like we've said in the past, there is a number that Wilson is likely to accept, but he just hasn't done it yet. There's also probably a number the Seahawks are willing to go to, but they just haven't.


The problem with this deal is that it's rather unprecedented. Wilson made the Super Bowl twice in his first three seasons and won once. He has more wins than any other quarterback in his first three seasons.

So is that the product of a heady quarterback, or a solid quarterback who has benefited from an excellent team around him? Remember, Seattle has had tons of flexibility because of Wilson's third-round pick salary.

All these questions need to be answered before training camp, unless the Seahawks want to risk letting this become more of a story than it already is.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... ok_atn_orr

 

[TheRealDTM]

RW is too short. And an elite QB doesn't throw a pick there.

We should pay him peanuts this year, franchise him next year then sign and trade him. My first comment after that play was "welp not giving him 20 million now" and I haven't changed on that stance. He's not elite he never has been and never can be. That said he's the perfect QB to hide our Oline deficiencies but that does not a 20 mill qb make.

TLDR: TRADE HIM!

 

[Anthony!]

RW is too short. And an elite QB doesn't throw a pick there.

We should pay him peanuts this year, franchise him next year then sign and trade him. My first comment after that play was "welp not giving him 20 million now" and I haven't changed on that stance. He's not elite he never has been and never can be. That said he's the perfect QB to hide our Oline deficiencies but that does not a 20 mill qb make.

TLDR: TRADE HIM!

And that is why you should not do drugs ukeface:

 

[theincrediblesok]

RW is too short. And an elite QB doesn't throw a pick there.

We should pay him peanuts this year, franchise him next year then sign and trade him. My first comment after that play was "welp not giving him 20 million now" and I haven't changed on that stance. He's not elite he never has been and never can be. That said he's the perfect QB to hide our Oline deficiencies but that does not a 20 mill qb make.

TLDR: TRADE HIM!

Good cause I dont' want people holding back their true feelings now

 

[Anthony!]

The contract for Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson will eventually get done. Not many young players who have been to a pair of Super Bowls are allowed to walk after the conclusion of their rookie deal.


But according to ESPN 710's Danny O'Neil, neither side is close to agreeing on a rumored extension worth $120 million with half of the money guaranteed.

They are apparently "10s of millions" apart.

"In fact, the Seahawks haven't put $100 million on the table right now," O'Neil said, citing various league sources familiar with negotiations. "The offer of a four-year extension is believed to be worth closer to $80 million."

Basically, Seattle wants to pay Wilson like a better Andy Dalton or Colin Kaepernick, which makes a ton of sense.

They do not want his numbers to creep into the neighborhood of say Aaron Rodgers or Ben Roethlisberger.

Like we've said in the past, there is a number that Wilson is likely to accept, but he just hasn't done it yet. There's also probably a number the Seahawks are willing to go to, but they just haven't.


The problem with this deal is that it's rather unprecedented. Wilson made the Super Bowl twice in his first three seasons and won once. He has more wins than any other quarterback in his first three seasons.

So is that the product of a heady quarterback, or a solid quarterback who has benefited from an excellent team around him? Remember, Seattle has had tons of flexibility because of Wilson's third-round pick salary.

All these questions need to be answered before training camp, unless the Seahawks want to risk letting this become more of a story than it already is.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... ok_atn_orr

Actually that is not in line with Dalton or Kap as that means it is 5 years 81 mil or 16 mil a season and less then both Kap and Dalton

 

[Rob12]

So, just for the sake of this speculative, highly opinionated thread - what would RW's trade value be if the Seahawks decided to move on?

I know... It's not happening. I don't want it to happen. But I'm just curious as to what people would guess.

The first thing I'd look at is what the Eagles were reportedly willing to part with for the rights to Marcus Mariota. What I heard/read was Sam Bradford, Fletcher Cox, and two first round picks. I'm not sure how accurate that is because I can't find the link, but I did read that was their final offer.

If that's true, I have to believe that RW is worth something to the effect of three first round picks, a second, and at least one proven player.

Mariota has promise, but is completely unproven in the NFL. Wilson is a proven superstar. So I have to believe that any deal would crush what the Eagles offered.

I'm dumb... I know. I love Russ - favorite Hawk of all time. But I don't control whether or not he inks here long term. I fully believe he will, but I'm honestly just curious what kind of monster trade package we could get for him.

 

[QuahHawk]

His age and size make him less valuable than Mariota simply because Mariota still has a higher ceiling.

I think a top 10 1st round pick and a starter or 2 middling first round picks is his value.

If we tagged him and someone singed him and we received two 1st's I would be disappointed but believe that this team could be built to win workout him.

 

[Hawkfan77]

Wilson can want to be the highest paid player, heck he just might if this deal gets done. But his contract will soon be eclipsed but Luck and others. I'd rather have Wilson be the highest player right now than next year or the year after. If we set the market, then other teams will have to go higher and what once was the highest contract will look more like average contract for an elite type QB.

With the amount of money the cap is going up each year and players like Luck coming up for FA, now is the time to get this deal done.

 

[HawkFan72]

Wilson can want to be the highest paid player, heck he just might if this deal gets done. But his contract will soon be eclipsed but Luck and others. I'd rather have Wilson be the highest player right now than next year or the year after. If we set the market, then other teams will have to go higher and what once was the highest contract will look more like average contract for an elite type QB.

With the amount of money the cap is going up each year and players like Luck coming up for FA, now is the time to get this deal done.

I agree. If hes going to sign big, I'd rather they sign him big now. The cost is only going to go up next year.

 

[Sports Hernia]

Can't believe any seahawk fans who went through gelbaugh, stouffer, McGwire, mirer, etc etc would even consider letting him walk. Remember when Jon kitna seemed like a god send? I don't think we want to go back to that.

Bingo! A lot of knee jerk reactions in this thread.

 

[TheRealDTM]

RW is too short. And an elite QB doesn't throw a pick there.

We should pay him peanuts this year, franchise him next year then sign and trade him. My first comment after that play was "welp not giving him 20 million now" and I haven't changed on that stance. He's not elite he never has been and never can be. That said he's the perfect QB to hide our Oline deficiencies but that does not a 20 mill qb make.

TLDR: TRADE HIM!

And that is why you should not do drugs ukeface:

Good quality post, thank you for contributing to the thread with such an expertly written retort. I have contacted the Seattle-Times reporter that posted here and recommended you be given an editorial column so your wisdom and humor may be shared with society.

 

[Sports Hernia]

His age and size make him less valuable than Mariota simply because Mariota still has a higher ceiling.

I think a top 10 1st round pick and a starter or 2 middling first round picks is his value.

If we tagged him and someone singed him and we received two 1st's I would be disappointed but believe that this team could be built to win workout him.

I kind of disagree on most points. I Like Mariota, but he hasn't done anything yet and I doubt he'll have even close to the success that RW has had early on. RW has lead his team to 2 Super Bowls in his first 3 years. Russ was good right out of the box with very little "learning curve". That is very rare that a QB is that good that quick.

Folks tend to over value draft picks.

Also If I understand it right you can use the "exclusive franchise tag" where the salary is higher but the player cannot be picked off by another team.

 

[Rob12]

His age and size make him less valuable than Mariota simply because Mariota still has a higher ceiling.

I think a top 10 1st round pick and a starter or 2 middling first round picks is his value.

If we tagged him and someone singed him and we received two 1st's I would be disappointed but believe that this team could be built to win workout him.

Mariota has proven absolutely nothing.