Reports: Ndamukong Suh wants to sign with Seahawks

[Sgt. Largent]

I also question the value of having a star player at DT, a position that is situationally subbed all game long. We can easily get by with incomplete players who can play situationally instead of needing every-down guys who can handle every situation.

This is why the likelihood of signing Suh is small, unless he's willing to come here for far less than his market value.

Pete and John like rotation over snap count guys. So yeah there are teams that have 3-4 defensive lineman that play 90% of the snaps, but Pete's always liked 6-7 good, and a few GREAT lineman rotating in to keep them all fresh throughout the year and into the playoffs.

Suh would be awesome here, but is he worth the price of depleted depth or HUGE drop off in that depth?

 

[Hasselbeck]

I just really hope if they do sign him that he doesn't end up being another Percy in the locker room.

Every free agent in the league that will command big money is not a locker room cancer.

 

[netskier]

IMO, Suh is not worth the depth depletion, particularly on defense. We need more depth, not less. With a little more depth in the DL, we would have beaten Boston. Depth mitigates the effects of inevitable injuries. Last year's team had sufficient depth, whereas this year's team did not.

 

[Scottemojo]

IMO, Suh is not worth the depth depletion, particularly on defense. We need more depth, not less. With a little more depth in the DL, we would have beaten Boston. Depth mitigates the effects of inevitable injuries. Last year's team had sufficient depth, whereas this year's team did not.

Really? It seems to me a deep enough unit was undone by injuries this year. Mebane, Hill, Marsh were all contributors whose injuries sapped our depth. As deep as 2013? No, but not bad at all. 2013 had injuries too, but it was Avril and Clemons missing time early in the year, not a bunch of guys on IR late in the year.

 

[seahawk12thman]

He's a bum, go someplace else!!!! :stirthepot:

 

[netskier]

If we needed one more then we were not deep enough.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

IMO, Suh is not worth the depth depletion, particularly on defense. We need more depth, not less. With a little more depth in the DL, we would have beaten Boston. Depth mitigates the effects of inevitable injuries. Last year's team had sufficient depth, whereas this year's team did not.

Really? It seems to me a deep enough unit was undone by injuries this year. Mebane, Hill, Marsh were all contributors whose injuries sapped our depth. As deep as 2013? No, but not bad at all. 2013 had injuries too, but it was Avril and Clemons missing time early in the year, not a bunch of guys on IR late in the year.

Your making the point for us.

Suh would mean even more depleted depth, as we probably wouldn't be able to resign Williams and most definitely have to cut Mebane............AND rely on Hill to do something he's yet to do, stay healthy.

We had some terrible IR luck in 2014, I'll give you that, especially with young guys. But IMO that just means we still didn't have enough depth on the D-line, and oh boy did it show in the SB.

 

[Hyak]

One could make the argument that DT is a HUGE need. Even before the injuries hit on the DL, the pass rush was very sporadic. It wasn't until the first Carolina game that the pass rush started to show up.

People are kind of glossing over this issue as the performance of the defense against top tier QB's wasn't elite - 24 points a game allowed on average in 6 games (3-3).

1. Mebane is a great run stuffer and generally doesn't play in the pass rush set but he's coming off of a pretty severe injury. Add in he is in the last year of a contract where a 5.7 M cap number for a 2 down player might be out of whack economically.

2. Williams is likely to retire - he almost did this past offseason.

3. Hill is relatively unproven. Granted his last 6 games were very good.

4. McDaniels is a solid player but he's also in the higher cap/last year of his deal.

The odds of Mebane and/or McDaniels having to either extend, restructure, or get cut for cap space is a real possibility regardless of whether they pursue Suh or not.

If, and it's a big if, they have a chance to land Suh, I really do think they will have some interest. Dominant 3-down interior DT's do not grow on trees and the Hawks window of being elite is right now. If they can get Marsh to step up in year 2 and perhaps add an edge rusher type in the draft, the DL rotation could really be upgraded.

 

[hawksurething]

Hawks really don't need suh. For what ?
Hawks already have the #1 defense. Defense was not the reason we lost the superbowl on that last play,was it ???

Hawks are excellent at picking late round or low cap defensive players anyways. Right ?

The hawks weakness has been picking WRs & O-lineman... So they should spend the cap space in that area. Sign all players to low cap -But huge bonus contracts. That way they can load up for the Superbowl each year

No to suh...unless he will take a low cap contract ! There are plenty of D-lineman in free agency who are good like Melton.

Focus on the Superbowl weakness which was a #1 who demands double coverage & can beat the double sometimes, plus a #2 WR that can beat single coverage vs elite #2 CBs. Put Baldwin back in the slot where he will be great like welker & edelman,john brown,etc...

Now Wilson can throw 3 step drops like Brady used vs us. Plus he can avoid injury more not have to run or get hit as much in the pocket if a WR like Marshall is catching 3 step & 1 step passes,which secures the investment in QB

I disagree regarding the defensive line drafting. The line and pass rushers have not been drafted well by the FO, or they used free agency to get the defensive lineman they covet. Bennett, Avril, williams, Mcdaniels, and the list goes on regarding FA signings. In fact the defensive line has been extensively put together via free agency since they started. Hill emerged late last year and was their pick, Irvin drafted but moved to LB, and other lineman like Mebane was drafted by the prior regime. Defensive line and WR have been the toughest positions for them to draft. The line needs more infusion of line talent.

I would love Suh, but like you mention there are other talents that may be available. I totally suspect they bring in a couple rotational lineman on defense, and may focus on offense in the draft with the yearly defensive positions picked each year (db). There are some great RB and WR talent in the draft, and unfortunately a bit thin on TE except I really like Maxx.

That's why I said low cap players from free agency. Hill is OK too if healthy. Melton is good. Simply defense was not our weakness in the Superbowl. WR was the weakness.

 

[Mike 4G]

Our defense did allow the Pats to score 14 points in the 4th quarter. More points than Denver did in the entire game. I think they were just as much of a reason we lost as the INT. If we stopped them on one of those drives we win. If the offense scores on the last drive we win. Either way it was a team loss.

 

[Hasselbeck]

Our defense did allow the Pats to score 14 points in the 4th quarter. More points than Denver did in the entire game. I think they were just as much of a reason we lost as the INT. If we stopped them on one of those drives we win. If the offense scores on the last drive we win. Either way it was a team loss.

To be fair, the defense that took the field in Glendale is not the one that started the postseason. They were all kinds of jacked up on the injury front.

And despite all that, the offense was one yard away from winning another Super Bowl. With all the injuries. With the defense giving up 14 points in the 4th when they went .. what.. over two months without giving up a single point in the 4th quarter?

I think this is the most unforgivable part of that final play call. One could argue the team was outplayed for much of the game.. and they had the perfect chance to steal the Super Bowl.

 

[andyh64000]

If we could sign him without destroying the long term financial plan of the team we should absolutely do it. He would be a massive game changer on the defensive line. I can't think of a single free agent I would rather have. You can't lose if the other team can't score.

 

[Hawk-Lock]

Did Suh sign with us yet? What number did he choose? I'm trying to find his seahawk jersey online but i can't find it. I want to buy it so bad!

 

[TAB420]

Did Suh sign with us yet? What number did he choose? I'm trying to find his seahawk jersey online but i can't find it. I want to buy it so bad!

:sarcasm_off:

 

[HawkFan72]

Did Suh sign with us yet? What number did he choose? I'm trying to find his seahawk jersey online but i can't find it. I want to buy it so bad!

Keep hitting refresh.

 

[hawksurething]

This is honestly the bigger reason I don't think we should spend on Suh. I think an equivalent amount of money could produce greater results by being spent on the other side of the ball. I'm very comfortable with Mebane, Hill, and others at DT.[/quote]

But there is no top 5 savvy and durable steel wall OL in this FA class.

So given the fact that neither of those are going to happen, why not spend the money on a top-2 three down DT who plays with fire and a mean streak.[/quote]

Marshall,Dez,D.thomas all played in a run 1st offense this year, so they would love to come to the hawks and get a ring.

Like Melton more that suh anyways... Sun is way too mean ! Stepping on players heads on purpose is evil. Lol.

 

[XxXdragonXxX]

So I had a customer come in to my work the other day. Said he is friends with a former Seahawks kicker (I'm not gonna name names, but he did) who supposedly told him Suh wants to sign here badly enough to take a huge discount, and basically the only reason it's not a done deal is because we can't talk to him yet. (Legally)

fwiw. I don't know this guy personally.

 

[therealjohncarlson]

So I had a customer come in to my work the other day. Said he is friends with a former Seahawks kicker (I'm not gonna name names, but he did) who supposedly told him Suh wants to sign here badly enough to take a huge discount, and basically the only reason it's not a done deal is because we can't talk to him yet. (Legally)

fwiw. I don't know this guy personally.

Lol Id be surprised if warm pants boy Josh Brown really knew anything

 

[HawkFan72]

So I had a customer come in to my work the other day. Said he is friends with a former Seahawks kicker (I'm not gonna name names, but he did) who supposedly told him Suh wants to sign here badly enough to take a huge discount, and basically the only reason it's not a done deal is because we can't talk to him yet. (Legally)

fwiw. I don't know this guy personally.

Lol Id be surprised if warm pants boy Josh Brown really knew anything

You never know, Olindo Mare could be the next great investigative reporter.

 

[Hawkfan77]

So I had a customer come in to my work the other day. Said he is friends with a former Seahawks kicker (I'm not gonna name names, but he did) who supposedly told him Suh wants to sign here badly enough to take a huge discount, and basically the only reason it's not a done deal is because we can't talk to him yet. (Legally)

fwiw. I don't know this guy personally.

Lol Id be surprised if warm pants boy Josh Brown really knew anything

You never know, Olindo Mare could be the next great investigative reporter.

Definitely gotta be Brandon Coutu.

But on a serious note, Josh Brown did go to Nebraska also