Reports: Ndamukong Suh wants to sign with Seahawks

[HawkFan72]

Lol Id be surprised if warm pants boy Josh Brown really knew anything

You never know, Olindo Mare could be the next great investigative reporter.

Definitely gotta be Brandon Coutu.

But on a serious note, Josh Brown did go to Nebraska also

Good point!

Ugh. Every time I see Brandon Coutu's name I get angry.

 

[Basis4day]

I bet it was Jeff Reed.

 

[XxXdragonXxX]

You guys need to keep going back.

 

[tacomahawk]

So Herrera shops.at your store, thats cool

 

[FortWorthSeahawk]

He knows Norm Johnson?

Probably not...it was probably Todd 'don't call me Petey' Peterson....

 

[BlueTalon]

What if Detroit does something crazy like trade him to not pay that 26M? Would it be worth the asking price given it might be pretty exorbinant.

No one would trade for Suh on that cap figure. Figure the cap is at best 143M in 2015... 26M is nearly 20% of the cap.. And this is for a DT not an elite QB. Now figure the Lions have two mammoth salaries already in place with Stafford and Calvin.. That makes tagging him next to impossible.

I don't think it's possible for Suh to be traded at this point. We're well beyond the trade deadline for this league year, and at the beginning of the next league year, Suh is free of his current contract.

Unless I'm missing something?

 

[XxXdragonXxX]

What if Detroit does something crazy like trade him to not pay that 26M? Would it be worth the asking price given it might be pretty exorbinant.

No one would trade for Suh on that cap figure. Figure the cap is at best 143M in 2015... 26M is nearly 20% of the cap.. And this is for a DT not an elite QB. Now figure the Lions have two mammoth salaries already in place with Stafford and Calvin.. That makes tagging him next to impossible.

I don't think it's possible for Suh to be traded at this point. We're well beyond the trade deadline for this league year, and at the beginning of the next league year, Suh is free of his current contract.

Unless I'm missing something?

If the lions tag him they can trade him. The tag for Suh is somewhere the 20 mil range.

 

[Hawkfan77]

What if Detroit does something crazy like trade him to not pay that 26M? Would it be worth the asking price given it might be pretty exorbinant.

No one would trade for Suh on that cap figure. Figure the cap is at best 143M in 2015... 26M is nearly 20% of the cap.. And this is for a DT not an elite QB. Now figure the Lions have two mammoth salaries already in place with Stafford and Calvin.. That makes tagging him next to impossible.

I don't think it's possible for Suh to be traded at this point. We're well beyond the trade deadline for this league year, and at the beginning of the next league year, Suh is free of his current contract.

Unless I'm missing something?

If the lions tag him they can trade him. The tag for Suh is somewhere the 20 mil range.

No one is trading for Suh at the FT price.

 

[lukerguy]

The tag is 26MM, not 20 MM. That's an absurd amount and no one is worth that in the capped era..not Brady, not Russell, not Suh.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

The tag is 26MM, not 20 MM. That's an absurd amount and no one is worth that in the capped era..not Brady, not Russell, not Suh.

Cutting Bush may be a sign that the Lions and Suh are close, and just needed to clear a little more cap space to give him the monster extension he's asking for.

 

[volsunghawk]

The tag is 26MM, not 20 MM. That's an absurd amount and no one is worth that in the capped era..not Brady, not Russell, not Suh.

Cutting Bush may be a sign that the Lions and Suh are close, and just needed to clear a little more cap space to give him the monster extension he's asking for.

Or it could be a sign that Bush is about to turn 30, has been injury-prone, and was outperformed by Joique Bell last season.

Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if the Lions grabbed a couple of RBs in this upcoming draft.

 

[Hawkfan77]

The tag is 26MM, not 20 MM. That's an absurd amount and no one is worth that in the capped era..not Brady, not Russell, not Suh.

Cutting Bush may be a sign that the Lions and Suh are close, and just needed to clear a little more cap space to give him the monster extension he's asking for.

Or it could be a sign that Bush is about to turn 30, has been injury-prone, and was outperformed by Joique Bell last season.

Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if the Lions grabbed a couple of RBs in this upcoming draft.

I agree vol, even after cutting Bush the Lions still only have 16 mil in cap space

 

[HawkFan72]

The tag is 26MM, not 20 MM. That's an absurd amount and no one is worth that in the capped era..not Brady, not Russell, not Suh.

Cutting Bush may be a sign that the Lions and Suh are close, and just needed to clear a little more cap space to give him the monster extension he's asking for.

Or it could be a sign that Bush is about to turn 30, has been injury-prone, and was outperformed by Joique Bell last season.

Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if the Lions grabbed a couple of RBs in this upcoming draft.

Gurley in that Offense would be pretty amazing. With all the attention paid to Johnson and Tate, he'd rarely face an 8 man box.

But yeah, I don't think the Bush release had anything to do with Suh. I think it was an individual transaction because Bush is no longer worth what he was making.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

The tag is 26MM, not 20 MM. That's an absurd amount and no one is worth that in the capped era..not Brady, not Russell, not Suh.

Cutting Bush may be a sign that the Lions and Suh are close, and just needed to clear a little more cap space to give him the monster extension he's asking for.

Or it could be a sign that Bush is about to turn 30, has been injury-prone, and was outperformed by Joique Bell last season.

Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if the Lions grabbed a couple of RBs in this upcoming draft.

I agree vol, even after cutting Bush the Lions still only have 16 mil in cap space

Now it's 18M after Bush was cut.

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/

 

[Attyla the Hawk]

If the lions tag him they can trade him. The tag for Suh is somewhere the 20 mil range.

No one is trading for Suh at the FT price.

His salary for 2014 was 22.4m

To tag him would require 22.4 * 1.2 = 26.88m for 2015.

For reference:

Earl Thomas 7.4m
Richard Sherman 12,2m
Kam Chancellor 5.6m

Total: 30.2m

Suh would cost almost the same as our three pro bowl/all pro secondary by himself if tagged.

The Lions parted with one of their cut eligible players (Bush). Saving only 1.7m. They only have 6 other players who if cut can recoup 1m or more. That list is:

Deandre Levy: 3.5m
Stephen Tulloch: 3.2m
Jason Jones: 3.1m
James Ihedigbo: 1.6m
Joique Bell: 1.5m
Riley Reiff: 1.4m

Total: 14.3m
Total under cap possible: 14.3m + existing 18.3m = 32.7m

Out of that 32.7m, they have to pay replacements for the 7 players (Bush included). They also need to set aside 4.7m in draft pick expenditures.

We could for argument's sake, just presume they use their entire draft to simply replace the 7 players lost to cuts. That would leave them at 28m.

But they also have a lot of UFAs that need resigning or replacing. A short list includes:

Nick Fairley
Rob Sims
Dominic Raiola
Corey Hilliard
CJ Mosley
Rashean Mathis
Cassius Vaughn

There are plenty of others as well. In order to resign Suh, it would require all of these players leaving. So for this exercise, we'd also just call these players 'cuts'. In addition to the six (well seven including Bush) from above.

And that's not allowing for anyone getting injured. The IR allocation would be next to nothing. The team would in essence only really be able to list 2 players on IR for the year with only 1m available cash. Every player injured would have to be carried on the active roster all year.

And finally, of those 6 cuts above, that would incur the following in dead money:

Deandre Levy: 1m
Stephen Tulloch: 2.6m
Jason Jones: .8m
James Ihedigbo: .4m
Joique Bell: 2m
Riley Reiff: 1m

7.8m (more than Harvin's dead money for us). Added to their league high dead money of 17.4m already on the books. Pushing it to a staggering 25.2m for 2015. That's almost exactly the value of the 2nd and 3rd most dead money teams (Ravens 12.5, Cowboys 12.8) combined.

Detroit simply doesn't have the contracts to cut. They can tag him if they want to. But should Suh sign it -- they are stuck with the near certainty of not being able to dress a full team for most of the year as soon as attrition sets in. It would be needless to say, the weirdest salary cap circumstance ever.

 

[SalishHawkFan]

If the lions tag him they can trade him. The tag for Suh is somewhere the 20 mil range.

No one is trading for Suh at the FT price.

His salary for 2014 was 22.4m

To tag him would require 22.4 * 1.2 = 26.88m for 2015.

For reference:

Earl Thomas 7.4m
Richard Sherman 12,2m
Kam Chancellor 5.6m

Total: 30.2m

Suh would cost almost the same as our three pro bowl/all pro secondary by himself if tagged.

The Lions parted with one of their cut eligible players (Bush). Saving only 1.7m. They only have 6 other players who if cut can recoup 1m or more. That list is:

Deandre Levy: 3.5m
Stephen Tulloch: 3.2m
Jason Jones: 3.1m
James Ihedigbo: 1.6m
Joique Bell: 1.5m
Riley Reiff: 1.4m

Total: 14.3m
Total under cap possible: 14.3m + existing 18.3m = 32.7m

Out of that 32.7m, they have to pay replacements for the 7 players (Bush included). They also need to set aside 4.7m in draft pick expenditures.

We could for argument's sake, just presume they use their entire draft to simply replace the 7 players lost to cuts. That would leave them at 28m.

But they also have a lot of UFAs that need resigning or replacing. A short list includes:

Nick Fairley
Rob Sims
Dominic Raiola
Corey Hilliard
CJ Mosley
Rashean Mathis
Cassius Vaughn

There are plenty of others as well. In order to resign Suh, it would require all of these players leaving. So for this exercise, we'd also just call these players 'cuts'. In addition to the six (well seven including Bush) from above.

And that's not allowing for anyone getting injured. The IR allocation would be next to nothing. The team would in essence only really be able to list 2 players on IR for the year with only 1m available cash. Every player injured would have to be carried on the active roster all year.

And finally, of those 6 cuts above, that would incur the following in dead money:

Deandre Levy: 1m
Stephen Tulloch: 2.6m
Jason Jones: .8m
James Ihedigbo: .4m
Joique Bell: 2m
Riley Reiff: 1m

7.8m (more than Harvin's dead money for us). Added to their league high dead money of 17.4m already on the books. Pushing it to a staggering 25.2m for 2015. That's almost exactly the value of the 2nd and 3rd most dead money teams (Ravens 12.5, Cowboys 12.8) combined.

Detroit simply doesn't have the contracts to cut. They can tag him if they want to. But should Suh sign it -- they are stuck with the near certainty of not being able to dress a full team for most of the year as soon as attrition sets in. It would be needless to say, the weirdest salary cap circumstance ever.

Great post Atylla. just saved me from reading 10 pages of hypothetical wish listing. You should be our .Net Cap Guy.

 

[Hawkfan77]

Now it's 18M after Bush was cut.

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/detroit-lions/cap/ has them at 16.4

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

If the lions tag him they can trade him. The tag for Suh is somewhere the 20 mil range.

No one is trading for Suh at the FT price.

His salary for 2014 was 22.4m

To tag him would require 22.4 * 1.2 = 26.88m for 2015.

For reference:

Earl Thomas 7.4m
Richard Sherman 12,2m
Kam Chancellor 5.6m

Total: 30.2m

Suh would cost almost the same as our three pro bowl/all pro secondary by himself if tagged.

The Lions parted with one of their cut eligible players (Bush). Saving only 1.7m. They only have 6 other players who if cut can recoup 1m or more. That list is:

Deandre Levy: 3.5m
Stephen Tulloch: 3.2m
Jason Jones: 3.1m
James Ihedigbo: 1.6m
Joique Bell: 1.5m
Riley Reiff: 1.4m

Total: 14.3m
Total under cap possible: 14.3m + existing 18.3m = 32.7m

Out of that 32.7m, they have to pay replacements for the 7 players (Bush included). They also need to set aside 4.7m in draft pick expenditures.

We could for argument's sake, just presume they use their entire draft to simply replace the 7 players lost to cuts. That would leave them at 28m.

But they also have a lot of UFAs that need resigning or replacing. A short list includes:

Nick Fairley
Rob Sims
Dominic Raiola
Corey Hilliard
CJ Mosley
Rashean Mathis
Cassius Vaughn

There are plenty of others as well. In order to resign Suh, it would require all of these players leaving. So for this exercise, we'd also just call these players 'cuts'. In addition to the six (well seven including Bush) from above.

And that's not allowing for anyone getting injured. The IR allocation would be next to nothing. The team would in essence only really be able to list 2 players on IR for the year with only 1m available cash. Every player injured would have to be carried on the active roster all year.

And finally, of those 6 cuts above, that would incur the following in dead money:

Deandre Levy: 1m
Stephen Tulloch: 2.6m
Jason Jones: .8m
James Ihedigbo: .4m
Joique Bell: 2m
Riley Reiff: 1m

7.8m (more than Harvin's dead money for us). Added to their league high dead money of 17.4m already on the books. Pushing it to a staggering 25.2m for 2015. That's almost exactly the value of the 2nd and 3rd most dead money teams (Ravens 12.5, Cowboys 12.8) combined.

Detroit simply doesn't have the contracts to cut. They can tag him if they want to. But should Suh sign it -- they are stuck with the near certainty of not being able to dress a full team for most of the year as soon as attrition sets in. It would be needless to say, the weirdest salary cap circumstance ever.

This is what happens when you keep getting really high draft picks pretty much consecutively that all hit.

 

[Attyla the Hawk]

This is what happens when you keep getting really high draft picks pretty much consecutively that all hit.

Actually, it's more to do with getting a lot of pre CBA high draft picks that all hit.

Beyond that though, it's about being stupid with their money. Drafting poorly means having to over pay on the open market for role players. Glover Quin, Golden Tate, Brandon Pettigrew, Jason Jones, Reggie Bush and Chris Houston amongst others.

The dead money really kills them. And that's basically bad contract structures biting them in the rear. Detroit has far too few good contracts on it's ledger. They give out guarantees like a pez dispenser. They use UFA signings to try to add starter talent because they don't draft well enough to have guys they can limp through a season with. And they significantly overpay for good but not great talent. My guess is, that's what's necessary to entice players to sign with Detroit. It's a bad team, with a bad FO, in what is a pretty grotesque city scape.

They are paying Calvin Johnson more than what we were paying our whole WR corps with Harvin in it. That's just ridiculous.

 

[kearly]

Detroit doesn't have $26 million to franchise him in 2015, but they do have enough money to give him a JJ Watt contract. Remember, the salary cap is rising at historic rates right now. The raise just this year is almost enough to pay for Suh by itself.

I think the fact that Suh hasn't signed yet is a pretty telling sign that he wants out of Detroit. The challenge for Detroit's GM isn't finding the money, it's convincing Suh to stay.