Odds on Bevell to the Titans?

[HawkGA]

Seifert was the one I was alluding to, just couldn't remember his name. Outside of him, and I contend he was dealt a very good hand, I don't think it happens very often.

 

[marko358]

Seifert was the one I was alluding to, just couldn't remember his name. Outside of him, and I contend he was dealt a very good hand, I don't think it happens very often.

After Gruden was traded to Tampa Bay, the OC Callahan was given the job.

 

[Siouxhawk]

Those who discount the offense in our last two Super Bowl runs because we've had a mighty defense are being very short-sighted and unreasonable. The offense pulled its weight in the journey along the way. This isn't even debatable.
Blitz protection, in my estimation, has been hampered by the new role of Russ calling the pick-ups, and execution by a line that took a while to find itself with new players at three positions. Jimmy, who has been in on more snap counts than anyone aside from the line and Russell, was asked to do a little protecting himself just to save Russ from being blitzed to death. Putting Jimmy in just for pass plays would be a dead giveaway as to what was coming. I think that's why we've had a lot of 2 TE sets with Willson.
I also realize that the offense could've helped immensely by picking up a key first down or two in our earlier losses, but they did help build a lead into the fourth quarter and if the defense could've held firm and closed things out, even in 1 or 2 of those meltdowns, we could very well be 5-3 or even 6-2.
But I don't want to make this a defense thing at all. It's a team game and as I said earlier, both components (3 with special teams) have to be firing on all cylinders to make it into the Super Bowl. We've experienced that high level the last 2 years and I expect we're about to see the same thing unfold this season.

For the most part, the offense has helped us win games in spite of Bevell, with Marshawn going off for a dozen broken tackles and/or Russell playing sandlot in the 4th Quarter.

As DavidSeven accurately wrote, the improv plays are still within the framework of Bev and Pete's offense, regardless if you want to believe that or not. Why do you think our receivers are so good at blocking downfield? It's isn't a coincidence.

 

[Siouxhawk]

To get away for a minute from the "will Bevell replace Carroll discussion," has a member of a staff ever been successfully elevated to the top job at that organization? The guy after Bill Walsh is probably the only example I can think of and he was dealt a pretty darn good hand to start with.

Yeah, it has happened before . . . typically with members of the coaching tree of an all-time great coach, ala DC George Seifert replacing Bill Walsh.

However, the idea that we would take an OC, whose play calling has been heavily scrutinized and who does not even represent the things that have been great about the Carroll Era -- i.e. the defense and running game -- makes zero sense, whatsoever.

Since Bevell has put in motion what Pete wants out of his offense, I'd say he completely represents what has been great about the Carroll era. As has Cable.
How about Holmgren or Parcells. Did they ever endorse one of their disciples?

 

[OkieHawk]

As DavidSeven accurately wrote, the improv plays are still within the framework of Bev and Pete's offense, regardless if you want to believe that or not. Why do you think our receivers are so good at blocking downfield? It's isn't a coincidence.

Except for the fact that improv is the exact opposite of scripted. You can tell your QB and WR's to prepare for that, but thats it. It's all a wing and a prayer once Russ starts to scramble so it falls to the players making it happen despite the playcall.

 

[HawkGA]

Seifert was the one I was alluding to, just couldn't remember his name. Outside of him, and I contend he was dealt a very good hand, I don't think it happens very often.

After Gruden was traded to Tampa Bay, the OC Callahan was given the job.

Are you listing that as a success or just an occurrence? I know they went to the Super Bowl that year but wasn't that followed by a decade-plus of suck?

 

[HawkGA]

To get away for a minute from the "will Bevell replace Carroll discussion," has a member of a staff ever been successfully elevated to the top job at that organization? The guy after Bill Walsh is probably the only example I can think of and he was dealt a pretty darn good hand to start with.

Yeah, it has happened before . . . typically with members of the coaching tree of an all-time great coach, ala DC George Seifert replacing Bill Walsh.

However, the idea that we would take an OC, whose play calling has been heavily scrutinized and who does not even represent the things that have been great about the Carroll Era -- i.e. the defense and running game -- makes zero sense, whatsoever.

Since Bevell has put in motion what Pete wants out of his offense, I'd say he completely represents what has been great about the Carroll era. As has Cable.
How about Holmgren or Parcells. Did they ever endorse one of their disciples?

I think Parcells was followed by a disciple after the Giants. That did not workout, if I recall. You could blame Mora on Holmgren as he was technically on staff, but I don't think that would be fair.

 

[bjornanderson21]

If Bevell was going to get an NFL HC gig it would've been a year or two ago. It's just not gonna happen now. There is absolutely nothing about his time here that indicates he would make a good coach.

If he wants to be a HC he can go back to college....maybe he'll learn something

 

[marko358]

Seifert was the one I was alluding to, just couldn't remember his name. Outside of him, and I contend he was dealt a very good hand, I don't think it happens very often.

After Gruden was traded to Tampa Bay, the OC Callahan was given the job.

Are you listing that as a success or just an occurrence? I know they went to the Super Bowl that year but wasn't that followed by a decade-plus of suck?

Just another example of the OC stepping in after a head coach left.

 

[bjornanderson21]

To get away for a minute from the "will Bevell replace Carroll discussion," has a member of a staff ever been successfully elevated to the top job at that organization? The guy after Bill Walsh is probably the only example I can think of and he was dealt a pretty darn good hand to start with.

Yeah, it has happened before . . . typically with members of the coaching tree of an all-time great coach, ala DC George Seifert replacing Bill Walsh.

However, the idea that we would take an OC, whose play calling has been heavily scrutinized and who does not even represent the things that have been great about the Carroll Era -- i.e. the defense and running game -- makes zero sense, whatsoever.

Since Bevell has put in motion what Pete wants out of his offense, I'd say he completely represents what has been great about the Carroll era. As has Cable.
How about Holmgren or Parcells. Did they ever endorse one of their disciples?

Bevell has been a bad OC, and Cable has been one of the worst OL coaches in the NFL.

So does that mean you think Carroll has been a bad HC?

 

[HawkGA]

Seifert was the one I was alluding to, just couldn't remember his name. Outside of him, and I contend he was dealt a very good hand, I don't think it happens very often.

After Gruden was traded to Tampa Bay, the OC Callahan was given the job.

Are you listing that as a success or just an occurrence? I know they went to the Super Bowl that year but wasn't that followed by a decade-plus of suck?

Just another example of the OC stepping in after a head coach left.

It definitely happens, I just don't think it happens successfully very often, if at all. Probably hear about it more in college with long time assistants taking over for legends. I think it's just too hard to go from #2 to #1 in the same organization. You need to go someplace else where everybody will see you as the #1 guy.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Numbers alone can't point out how often Seattle has scraped by on improvisational plays earned long after the play broke down. Those plays make up a disproportionate chunk of Wilson's record, and Bevell cannot take credit for that.

Your other points are valid, but I think you have to give the Bevell and Carroll a lot of credit for this. The scramble drill is schemed and coached as much as anything else in this offense. They have specific rules around it. After Wilson's rookie season, Bevell and Carroll said they set out to become the best scramble team in the NFL. They have succeeded in doing that by a wide margin. I've always contended that, since 2013, a lot of what they do is based on an idea of giving Russell space to run and our receivers space to improvise.

All right. While Pete and Darell do deserve credit for the scrambling drill that's saved us (as well as our receivers for sticking with the play), and while a good scramble drill is a necessity for an offense more than most people realize, there needs to be more to an offense. It can't be the foundation, especially when there's little else built on top of it. And right now, it DOES feel like the foundation, or as if Pete and Darell are relying on it too much.

Making it the foundation leads to exactly the results we're seeing in Seattle's offense now - delaying the QB's development as a passer, exposing him to more wear and tear, and also tripling the load on the offensive line. Of course those guys suck. They have no idea where Wilson is going to be from one moment to the next. Peyton Manning's and Tom Brady's guys have the benefit of knowing generally where their quarterbacks will be. Wilson is probably the hardest QB in the league to guard. Antsy as all hell. And Pete's constant greed for the deep redline reception only increases their protection task and makes it harder to throw. Like Hasselbeck's weak arm making life harder for his O-line, nobody seems to acknowledge how QB play affects the O-line as much as the other way around.

Bevell has GOT to show that the semi-innovations we saw against Dallas will become a staple in this offense. They were good adjustments; Wilson just didn't execute them very well. And then Bevell's got to stop doing bizarre stuff like using Baldwin as a halfback. It kills drives. Maybe he's adapting. He has, at the very least, knocked off the excessive screen passes to him. But we continue to walk a razor's edge on offense, hoping that we can come up with a long bomb to offset four three-and-outs. I just don't like that style of play. I don't think it's going to be good for Wilson in the long run, expert scramble drill or no.

 

[Scottemojo]

Hilarious.

The Anthony! of Bevell thinks Bevell will be a HC in Seattle in several years.

Which means over the course of the next 4 years, which is Anthony! of Bevell's estimate, no other team will hire this genius as a HC. But we will.

2 SuperBowls! Still can't win a game when the other team goes one point over the league scoring average. It is what it is. If Seattle's D has a league average day, we lose. Think about that. 4.5 years, and our offensive coordinator has put together a gameplan good enough to beat another team scoring more than 24 precisely once. When a DB(defensive back, not a Darrell Bevell) made a red zone pick six to lead the TJ led Hawks over the Giants in 2011.

 

[Siouxhawk]

As DavidSeven accurately wrote, the improv plays are still within the framework of Bev and Pete's offense, regardless if you want to believe that or not. Why do you think our receivers are so good at blocking downfield? It's isn't a coincidence.

Except for the fact that improv is the exact opposite of scripted. You can tell your QB and WR's to prepare for that, but thats it. It's all a wing and a prayer once Russ starts to scramble so it falls to the players making it happen despite the playcall.

Sure it does, but there's an element there where coaching still comes into play and they prepare for it in practice. I mentioned the downfield blocking. How about the tempo of running play-action in which the defense might bite and allow Russ some big running room just because they were remembering a previous play. Before Russ crosses the line of scrimmage out of set, he's looking for a receiver to get open -- something else that's covered in practice and the film room.
I'd call it a chaotic scramble within the confines of a designed scheme.

 

[Siouxhawk]

To get away for a minute from the "will Bevell replace Carroll discussion," has a member of a staff ever been successfully elevated to the top job at that organization? The guy after Bill Walsh is probably the only example I can think of and he was dealt a pretty darn good hand to start with.

Yeah, it has happened before . . . typically with members of the coaching tree of an all-time great coach, ala DC George Seifert replacing Bill Walsh.

However, the idea that we would take an OC, whose play calling has been heavily scrutinized and who does not even represent the things that have been great about the Carroll Era -- i.e. the defense and running game -- makes zero sense, whatsoever.

Since Bevell has put in motion what Pete wants out of his offense, I'd say he completely represents what has been great about the Carroll era. As has Cable.
How about Holmgren or Parcells. Did they ever endorse one of their disciples?

Bevell has been a bad OC, and Cable has been one of the worst OL coaches in the NFL.

So does that mean you think Carroll has been a bad HC?

It's your opinion Bevell and Cable are poor coaches. My opinion is the opposite of yours and I'm very glad they are both with the Seahawks.

 

[Siouxhawk]

Hilarious.

The Anthony! of Bevell thinks Bevell will be a HC in Seattle in several years.

Which means over the course of the next 4 years, which is Anthony! of Bevell's estimate, no other team will hire this genius as a HC. But we will.

2 SuperBowls! Still can't win a game when the other team goes one point over the league scoring average. It is what it is. If Seattle's D has a league average day, we lose. Think about that. 4.5 years, and our offensive coordinator has put together a gameplan good enough to beat another team scoring more than 24 precisely once. When a DB(defensive back, not a Darrell Bevell) made a red zone pick six to lead the TJ led Hawks over the Giants in 2011.

It's Pete's philosophy. It's worked. Just look back to the last two February's for proof. And as far as promoting from within, I don't think there's too many teams that allow a coach to retire from the job. But considering Pete's age and the success he's going to still achieve in the coming years, I think that could be likely with the Hawks. At that time, it wouldn't surprise me that Pete gave an endorsement in conjunction with Schneider's opinion and Bevell could be in line for that promotion. As could Cable, Richard or Rocky Seto.

 

[marko358]

Hilarious.

The Anthony! of Bevell thinks Bevell will be a HC in Seattle in several years.

Which means over the course of the next 4 years, which is Anthony! of Bevell's estimate, no other team will hire this genius as a HC. But we will.

2 SuperBowls! Still can't win a game when the other team goes one point over the league scoring average. It is what it is. If Seattle's D has a league average day, we lose. Think about that. 4.5 years, and our offensive coordinator has put together a gameplan good enough to beat another team scoring more than 24 precisely once. When a DB(defensive back, not a Darrell Bevell) made a red zone pick six to lead the TJ led Hawks over the Giants in 2011.

Dude, 2 Super Bowls. Why do you need more evidence than that? Sure the offense is getting worse with with each passing year but 2 Super Bowls!!! Just ignore the 1st quarter of the recent Super Bowl where the offense couldn't muster anything whatsoever or the final offensive snap considered the worst Super Bowl play call of all time. 2 Super Bowls dude!!!

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

Hilarious.

The Anthony! of Bevell thinks Bevell will be a HC in Seattle in several years.

Which means over the course of the next 4 years, which is Anthony! of Bevell's estimate, no other team will hire this genius as a HC. But we will.

2 SuperBowls! Still can't win a game when the other team goes one point over the league scoring average. It is what it is. If Seattle's D has a league average day, we lose. Think about that. 4.5 years, and our offensive coordinator has put together a gameplan good enough to beat another team scoring more than 24 precisely once. When a DB(defensive back, not a Darrell Bevell) made a red zone pick six to lead the TJ led Hawks over the Giants in 2011.

:th2thumbs:

 

[Siouxhawk]

Hilarious.

The Anthony! of Bevell thinks Bevell will be a HC in Seattle in several years.

Which means over the course of the next 4 years, which is Anthony! of Bevell's estimate, no other team will hire this genius as a HC. But we will.

2 SuperBowls! Still can't win a game when the other team goes one point over the league scoring average. It is what it is. If Seattle's D has a league average day, we lose. Think about that. 4.5 years, and our offensive coordinator has put together a gameplan good enough to beat another team scoring more than 24 precisely once. When a DB(defensive back, not a Darrell Bevell) made a red zone pick six to lead the TJ led Hawks over the Giants in 2011.

Dude, 2 Super Bowls. Why do you need more evidence than that? Sure the offense is getting worse with with each passing year but 2 Super Bowls!!! Just ignore the 1st quarter of the recent Super Bowl where the offense couldn't muster anything whatsoever or the final offensive snap considered the worst Super Bowl play call of all time. 2 Super Bowls dude!!!

And once again a double digit lead in the fourth quarter.

 

[Scottemojo]

Hilarious.

The Anthony! of Bevell thinks Bevell will be a HC in Seattle in several years.

Which means over the course of the next 4 years, which is Anthony! of Bevell's estimate, no other team will hire this genius as a HC. But we will.

2 SuperBowls! Still can't win a game when the other team goes one point over the league scoring average. It is what it is. If Seattle's D has a league average day, we lose. Think about that. 4.5 years, and our offensive coordinator has put together a gameplan good enough to beat another team scoring more than 24 precisely once. When a DB(defensive back, not a Darrell Bevell) made a red zone pick six to lead the TJ led Hawks over the Giants in 2011.

Dude, 2 Super Bowls. Why do you need more evidence than that? Sure the offense is getting worse with with each passing year but 2 Super Bowls!!! Just ignore the 1st quarter of the recent Super Bowl where the offense couldn't muster anything whatsoever or the final offensive snap considered the worst Super Bowl play call of all time. 2 Super Bowls dude!!!

And once again a double digit lead in the fourth quarter.

And once again could not beat a team that scored more than 24.