Ngakoue to the Ravens

[Seahwkgal]

Shouldn’t this be moved to the NFL forum? I don’t want to read about another NFL team in the SEAHAWKS forum.

 

[massari]

Shouldn’t this be moved to the NFL forum? I don’t want to read about another NFL team in the SEAHAWKS forum.

sure thing

**edited by Wenhawk

 

[hawks85]

Jesus, Ravens are going to the SB. Their defense is already outstanding. Ngakoue and Campbell back together again on a better Defense.

 

[Ad Hawk]

Shouldn’t this be moved to the NFL forum? I don’t want to read about another NFL team in the SEAHAWKS forum.

sure thing Karen

Seahwkgal is correct. Wrong forum.

Karen's don't enter into it.

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

We couldn’t keep losing and trading our draft picks.

At some point, you’re just asking for long term issues if you move all your draft pick.

Good for him, beats being in Minnesota.

Zimmer will get fired if he loses another blunder this year, I’m guessing.

 

[Seahwkgal]

Shouldn’t this be moved to the NFL forum? I don’t want to read about another NFL team in the SEAHAWKS forum.

sure thing Karen

Seahwkgal is correct. Wrong forum.

Karen's don't enter into it.

:2thumbs:

 

[jammerhawk]

There's a reason for why the Vikings traded him for less than it took them to acquire him. His demands were probably too high. Which is probably why the Seahawks didn't get him in the first place.

This!

And this, the Ravens are in the AFC.

And this: he isn’t really playing up to his demands to be the #1 paid DE.

 

[jammerhawk]

Cap. Gonna be real expensive to keep him. Did surprise me the Vikes let him go this soon though. Makes you wonder if there might be an underlying issue involved.

Completely agree!

He won’t stay with the Ravens for longer than the season as he will want to be paid.

I suspect the team knows he’s a malcontent as well, and would be a poor fit here.

 

[ivotuk]

NFC teams rarely trade a great talent to another NFC team. Especially one that just beat them.

The only bigger sin is to trade a talented player within a division. Can you imagine trading one of our better defensive players to the Rams?

 

[massari]

There's a reason for why the Vikings traded him for less than it took them to acquire him. His demands were probably too high. Which is probably why the Seahawks didn't get him in the first place.

This!

And this, the Ravens are in the AFC.

And this: he isn’t really playing up to his demands to be the #1 paid DE.

If he hypothetically would've priced himself out of Seattle in free agency, they'd get a 3rd rd comp pick back. If not, they get their legitimate pass rusher back unless they drop the ball like they did with Clowney.

People seem more concerned about a late 2nd or 3rd rd draft pick than actually adding a player that could put this team over the top. They just traded a late 3rd+late 2nd to move up a few spots to pick an injured, unproven DE, but it'd be crazy giving up less than that for a proven top talent with a mere $5M cap hit?

Ngakoue has 4 sacks in 4 games with a pressure percentage of 10%. But yeah, he's apparently not good stopping the run.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Three reasons;

1. We gave up our draft capital for Adams.

2. Ngakoue is a rent-a-player. He's going to want a big contract in the off season.

3. He's making 12M this year. Our current cap space is 3M.

 

[massari]

Three reasons;

1. We gave up our draft capital for Adams.

2. Ngakoue is a rent-a-player. He's going to want a big contract in the off season.

3. He's making 12M this year. Our current cap space is 3M.

He only has a $5M cap hit after being traded.

He'd only be a rental if he prices himself out, which the Hawks would receive a 3rd rd comp pick for unless they mess it up like they did with Clowney.

Not giving up a draft pick to put your team over the top is confusing, even after making the questionable Adams trade.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Three reasons;

1. We gave up our draft capital for Adams.

2. Ngakoue is a rent-a-player. He's going to want a big contract in the off season.

3. He's making 12M this year. Our current cap space is 3M.

He only has a $5M cap hit after being traded.

He'd only be a rental if he prices himself out, which the Hawks would receive a 3rd rd comp pick for unless they mess it up like they did with Clowney.

Not giving up a draft pick to put your team over the top is dumb, even after making the questionable Adams trade.

That's 2M more than we have. Who are you cutting to get the extra 2M, and you need even more cap space than just the 2M to make future moves later in the season when players get hurt or to make a move before the trade deadline.

I get it, we all wanted Ngakoue. But after the Adams trade, it doesn't make sense both draft picks given up, and cap space wise.

 

[ivotuk]

There's a reason for why the Vikings traded him for less than it took them to acquire him. His demands were probably too high. Which is probably why the Seahawks didn't get him in the first place.

This!

And this, the Ravens are in the AFC.

And this: he isn’t really playing up to his demands to be the #1 paid DE.

If he hypothetically would've priced himself out of Seattle in free agency, they'd get a 3rd rd comp pick back. If not, they get their legitimate pass rusher back unless they drop the ball like they did with Clowney.

People seem more concerned about a late 2nd or 3rd rd draft pick than actually adding a player that could put this team over the top. They just traded a late 3rd+late 2nd to move up a few spots to pick an injured, unproven DE, but it'd be crazy giving up less than that for a proven top talent with a mere $5M cap hit?

Ngakoue has 4 sacks in 4 games with a pressure percentage of 10%. But yeah, he's apparently not good stopping the run.

You shouldn't use assumptions to back up your argument. Per John Clayton, "Clowney wouldn't respond to their calls for counter offers." Once he realized Seattle wasn't going to pay an exorbitant price, be decided he was going to wait it out, and apparently his preferred destination was with his old coach, Vrabel.

Seattle didn't screw it up. They refused to be held hostage by a player that thought he was worth $21 million per year.

And how do you know that Ngokue was ever an option for us? The Vikings shipped him out for less than they paid. What's up with that? He young, and with Hunter on the other side next year they could have been formidable.

They thinned out their DLine last year and were rebuilding it, yet they don't want him?

 

[Sgt. Largent]

And how do you know that Ngokue was ever an option for us? The Vikings shipped him out for less than they paid. What's up with that? He young, and with Hunter on the other side next year they could have been formidable.

They thinned out their DLine last year and were rebuilding it, yet they don't want him?

The Vikings saw what most teams saw with Ngakoue...........a talented pass rusher, but an incomplete DE that wasn't worth handing over a massive 50M+ long term deal in the off season, so better to trade him now to get draft capital lost back, than know he's a rent-a-player in a 1-5 team that isn't making the playoffs.

Probably the same thing Pete and John thought in the off season, and still think.

 

[jammerhawk]

There is very likely a character issue at play here as the Vikes would not have shipped him out for less than they paid if he was playing up to his salary.

He get sent out of the NFC with the trade and thus isn't a problem to them going forward to the playoffs.

 

[massari]

Money isn't an issue with this. There's so many ways to create that little amount for an actual difference maker.

The Ravens are actually over the cap at the moment after the trade.

You shouldn't use assumptions to back up your argument.

It was tongue in cheek, sir. Obv no one really knows what happened.

And how do you know that Ngokue was ever an option for us? The Vikings shipped him out for less than they paid. What's up with that? He young, and with Hunter on the other side next year they could have been formidable.

They thinned out their DLine last year and were rebuilding it, yet they don't want him?

The Vikings are a 1-5 team in cap hell. Ngakoue was always going to be a rental. They gambled and lost.

Also Danielle Hunter is demanding a raise or trade him during the upcoming offseason.

 

[Uncle Si]

Not to sound like a broken record, but all of this, "why couldn't the Hawks have offered a slightly better trade," presupposes that the player is willing to play for us.

The more of these trades that happen, the more I believe that Seattle is not a desired destination for D-Line guys.

As much as I believe that the Hawks are just 1 to 2 pieces away from being the best in the NFL, if today I had to put money on which team is more likely to make the Super Bowl, Hawks or Ravens, I'm going with the Ravens.

I highly doubt that.

Also, I don't think Yannick had any say in the matter. Balt offered the best deal, the vikes took it.

Yannick wanted Baltimore when he was in jax. This was his doing.

 

[massari]

And still played for the Viikings. He's not going to hold out and sacrifice his entire salary this season if he gets traded to the Seahawks. He has to keep a good attitude and play well for the rest of the season for free agency.

 

[Uncle Si]

And still played for the Viikings. He's not going to hold out and sacrifice his entire salary this season if he gets traded to the Seahawks. He has to keep a good attitude and play well for the rest of the season for free agency.

Point being.. this deal was done with Baltimore because that's where he wanted to play.

Lamenting the seahawks inactivity supposes they were even contacted.