MacDonald riding with Geno

[Dallashawksfan]

Geno will play much better once we build a first-class offensive line. Most of his interceptions are while under extreme pressure.

I doubt it. He lacks courage to win tough games against good teams. He is the guy that would give himself up when they need an extra yard. That’s not going to change
If they want to be mediocre then keep him

 

[keasley45]

What team/s could Geno go to today and replace their QB and be Super Bowl contender? With zero other changes?

TheRavens are the only team where it is even a maybe for me. Put him on the Chiefs,Lions, Bills, Texans, etc TODAY and they go from contenders to pretenders. Even the Vikings I think.

The film and the numbers he has put up behind terrible coordinators and an awful line, with no run support say otherwise.

 

[SeaWolv]

Nah I don’t think many can for long stretches of time. Goff for example is. Is it the team? The system? Him? I don’t know but he’s played really good football for years. Geno hasn’t played elite football since the first half of 2022 for any long stretch of time. Can he in Detroit’s system? Maybe? For that to take place here I’m not sure you have the resources to make it happen before Geno ages himself out.

Point is in the last 10-12 years of the 20-24 QBs in the Super Bowl almost all of them are elite. It’s really hard to make it let alone win it without one. Factor in Geno is going to be 35 next year and it’s even less likely.

Goff was good in LA and Detroit because both teams had good systems, good coaches and good personnel, thus supporting Keasley’s point.

And just because a good (not elite)QB hasn’t won a SB recently doesn’t mean it can’t happen, it may just mean it hasn’t.

 

[keasley45]

I doubt it. He lacks courage to win tough games against good teams. He is the guy that would give himself up when they need an extra yard. That’s not going to change
If they want to be mediocre then keep him

He set the record for comebacks and down the stretch this year when we needed solid play, he posted 4 or 5 games with better than 72% completion percentage (two were basically 80%) and had a td to INT ratio of 8:3.

Those were games we had to have.

The narrative that he cant win rough games only holds up if you ignore the garbage coordinators andnonline he has had to play with.

 

[GemCity]

I’ve been rough on Geno at times. Who hasn’t? Baltimore fans complain about Jackson not being a pure pocket passer.

But cmon. Last time I checked, by many accounts, we had the 30th ranked O-line.

While I think we’ve seen peak Geno in previous years, that version is a damn good player that could take us far.

Texans are ranked 31 O-line wise. Bengals - 29. I can’t imagine Burrow behind a decent O-line.

 

[pittpnthrs]

What team/s could Geno go to today and replace their QB and be Super Bowl contender? With zero other changes?

TheRavens are the only team where it is even a maybe for me. Put him on the Chiefs,Lions, Bills, Texans, etc TODAY and they go from contenders to pretenders. Even the Vikings I think.

I don't think he succeeds in the Ravens system either. A ton of their offensive makeup is about Lamar running the ball and they don't have a lot of offensive talent on the WR end except for Flowers.

 

[pittpnthrs]

He set the record for comebacks and down the stretch this year when we needed solid play, he posted 4 or 5 games with better than 72% completion percentage (two were basically 80%) and had a td to INT ratio of 8:3.

Those were games we had to have.

The narrative that he cant win rough games only holds up if you ignore the garbage coordinators andnonline he has had to play with.

Who were those teams he had to come back from and how many good teams did Seattle beat this season?

 

[pittpnthrs]

I’ve been rough on Geno at times. Who hasn’t? Baltimore fans complain about Jackson not being a pure pocket passer.

But cmon. Last time I checked, by many accounts, we had the 30th ranked O-line.

While I think we’ve seen peak Geno in previous years, that version is a damn good player that could take us far.

Texans are ranked 31 O-line wise. Bengals - 29. I can’t imagine Burrow behind a decent O-line.

How do you think Smith would fair in Houston with that 31st ranked Oline if he can't get it done in Seattle with a 30th ranked Oline? Last I checked Stroud and the Texans just won a playoff game with that 31st ranked Oline.

Bottom line is maybe it's time to stop making excuses and just accept the fact that Geno is who he is.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

How do you know that Geno would be a good mentor? Some players are, some aren't. That's why I always cringe when someone wants a great player as their head coach because they think that their success as a player will automatically translate to success as a coach. Teaching is a skill that not everyone is blessed with, and unless we personally know them, we really can't tell who has it and who doesn't.

Having said that, I'm with the consensus on Geno. I'm under no illusion that he can take us to a Super Bowl, but barring some type of blockbuster trade, he's as good as we're going to get. There is no other viable alternative.

Geno has shown plenty of leadership, look how he was with Lock. Dude was celebrating on the sidelines for him. A lot of QBs just stand there and pout. And how do you know he WOULDN'T be a good mentor? I think he would be.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

The film and the numbers he has put up behind terrible coordinators and an awful line, with no run support say otherwise.

Obsessed with stats. He's great between the 20s. His decision making is awful. He holds on the ball forever. He beats crap teams, often. How many HUGE wins against ELITE teams does he have.

 

[JayhawkMike]

He set the record for comebacks and down the stretch this year when we needed solid play, he posted 4 or 5 games with better than 72% completion percentage (two were basically 80%) and had a td to INT ratio of 8:3.

Those were games we had to have.

The narrative that he cant win rough games only holds up if you ignore the garbage coordinators andnonline he has had to play with.

Sorry man. I read your posts and respect your dedication but I think you have far surpassed that obsessed Russell Wilson fan that left when he was traded for pure crazy devotion to Geno.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Glad Russ is gone. Hope Geno is next.

 

[keasley45]

Luo

The film and the numbers he has put up behind terrible coordinators and an awful line, with no run support say otherwise.

The point is its entirely pointless and baseless to say with certainty what he CANT do if he had even have remotely the tools that are at these other QBs disposal.

Its like putting two cooks in a kitchen and giving one only half the ingredients ro make Thanksgiving dinner and the other has all of the freshest ingredients, the best recipe book, a great instructor and allnthe time in the world.

The one with crap ingredients still makes a good meal, but the other makes one people line up for.

And there is a question why?

There is SERIOUSLY the need to label the dude at a disadvantage as not as good?

You want to ignore the fact that one is at a significant disadvantage and keep harping on the fact that he has never shown that he can make an incredible dinner.

With all the respect in the world... it just defies logic and common sense, especially when the cook who has no help and crap ingredients still manages to pull off some phenomenal dishes.

And the reality is, Geno has NEVER in his career, not even for one single season, had the support staff, the leadership above him, the 'recipe' book to work from nor the 'chef' to help him. Never.

The dude literally has had coordinators who dont work in the league anymore. Same with O line coaches. They have been proven to be unqualified to lead, let alone scheme a system that can win OR maximize the skill of a qb.

It comes across as entirely disengenuous to debate a thing that is so obviously lopsided in one direction.

You keep on praising Goff as if he just does what he does on his own.

His first year in Detroit :

21' 19 TD, 8 Ints

Before that, he had 2 solid seasons with McVay in 17 and 18 . McVay, the undisputed QB whisperer and one of the best coordinators of a generation.

The others, also with McVay:

20td 13 INts
22td 16 Ints
And then a short year at
5td and 7 ints.

The guy has ONLY succeeded with stellar coaching and coordinating and even then hasnt done it consistently.

Sure, he has played well, NOW, as the Lions have after decades, finally used all of their top draft pick capital and turned it into top talent, and found top leaders to lead that talent.

When has Geno had top leadership coaching him? When has he had a top coordinator? When has he been in a top system? When has he has a line that gives all day to work behind the way Goff has.

Yet it seems like some want to not only fault him for not succeeding despite having the OPPOSITE of even competent help, but ignore the success he has had regardless and claim definitively what he cant do even if he did have top tier support.

It doesnt hold water in any real genuine debate that honestly wants to arrive at an unbiased, as close to realistic outcome as possible.

 

[JayhawkMike]

How many OC's must a QB be poor to average under until people understand it is not the coordinators but the QB?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

How many OC's must a QB be poor to average under until people understand it is not the coordinators but the QB?

Nah, it's rarely Geno's fault....apparently.
Russ is pretty much done. Geno needs to go.

 

[Ozzy]

Goff was good in LA and Detroit because both teams had good systems, good coaches and good personnel, thus supporting Keasley’s point.

And just because a good (not elite)QB hasn’t won a SB recently doesn’t mean it can’t happen, it may just mean it hasn’t.

Or he’s just really good? It’s not true just because you guys want it to be true. He was uber talented and a #1 pick. Hes not a 5th round pick.

Sure you’re right it could happen. The point is though what should the Seahawks do? People that think Seattle should do something else are just aligning with historical trends. So even if you and Keasely want to roll with Geno(which is valid by the way) the people not agreeing have a reasonable take too, that’s my only point.

We can disagree on this and both have a reasonable argument for doing so. Sadly this debate gets personal and bleeds into every post for some reason from many in here.

 

[CallMeADawg]

Nah, it's rarely Geno's fault....apparently.
Russ is pretty much done. Geno needs to go.

If they bring in a new OC, upgrade the line and Geno goes MVP mode I’ll get you some Sriracha for that crow.

 

[keasley45]

Obsessed with stats. He's great between the 20s. His decision making is awful. He holds on the ball forever. He beats crap teams, often. How many HUGE wins against ELITE teams does he have.

What other qb in the league makes horrible decisions all the way to leading the league in accuracy?

Comical

 

[Ozzy]

Luo

The point is its entirely pointless and baseless to say with certainty what he CANT do if he had even have remotely the tools that are at these other QBs disposal.

Its like putting two cooks in a kitchen and giving one only half the ingredients ro make Thanksgiving dinner and the other has all of the freshest ingredients, the best recipe book, a great instructor and allnthe time in the world.

The one with crap ingredients still makes a good meal, but the other makes one people line up for.

And there is a question why?

There is SERIOUSLY the need to label the dude at a disadvantage as not as good?

You want to ignore the fact that one is at a significant disadvantage and keep harping on the fact that he has never shown that he can make an incredible dinner.

With all the respect in the world... it just defies logic and common sense, especially when the cook who has no help and crap ingredients still manages to pull off some phenomenal dishes.

And the reality is, Geno has NEVER in his career, not even for one single season, had the support staff, the leadership above him, the 'recipe' book to work from nor the 'chef' to help him. Never.

The dude literally has had coordinators who dont work in the league anymore. Same with O line coaches. They have been proven to be unqualified to lead, let alone scheme a system that can win OR maximize the skill of a qb.

It comes across as entirely disengenuous to debate a thing that is so obviously lopsided in one direction.

You keep on praising Goff as if he just does what he does on his own.

His first year in Detroit :

21' 19 TD, 8 Ints

Before that, he had 2 solid seasons with McVay in 17 and 18 . McVay, the undisputed QB whisperer and one of the best coordinators of a generation.

The others, also with McVay:

20td 13 INts
22td 16 Ints
And then a short year at
5td and 7 ints.

The guy has ONLY succeeded with stellar coaching and coordinating and even then hasnt done it consistently.

Sure, he has played well, NOW, as the Lions have after decades, finally used all of their top draft pick capital and turned it into top talent, and found top leaders to lead that talent.

When has Geno had top leadership coaching him? When has he had a top coordinator? When has he been in a top system? When has he has a line that gives all day to work behind the way Goff has.

Yet it seems like some want to not only fault him for not succeeding despite having the OPPOSITE of even competent help, but ignore the success he has had regardless and claim definitively what he cant do even if he did have top tier support.

It doesnt hold water in any real genuine debate that honestly wants to arrive at an unbiased, as close to realistic outcome as possible.

I should just throw in the towel. No one is saying Geno has been terrible. He’s a good QB. I’m never going to buy your theory that Geno is this uber elite guy who has just had terrible luck for 13 years and if only this or that he would put crazy numbers etc.

I hope Geno plays his ass off next year whether it’s here or somewhere else because I always root for ex players and so you get the chance to run it in our faces. It just seems like if it doesn’t work out there will always be a reason why it’s never his fault.

 

[Ozzy]

If they bring in a new OC, upgrade the line and Geno goes MVP mode I’ll get you some Sriracha for that crow.

That’s the crazy thing. I would want nothing more than for Geno to go ham next year if he’s still here. I hope he throws for 5,000 yards and Keasley and others run it in for a decade in here lol