MacDonald riding with Geno

[keasley45]

If Stafford couldn't or wouldn't play in 2025, would Geno sacrifice a finger on his non throwing hand, or a pay cut to join the Rams? Would McVay want a 9 finger Geno?

Mcvay would take Geno in a heartbeat.

 

[Ozzy]

What execs put him at 20? If fhat were the case, the execs who have the most direct experience with him woukdnt be voicing their support. Their would be at least a handful of qbs that they coukd acquire to perform better.

And on what planet does the 20th best qb lead the league in accuracy, finish 3rd in completion percentage, and near first in adjusted completion percentage.

When in the history of the NFL has that happened?

If Geno were really the 20th best qb in the league, grubb would still be employed.

Sando does his yearly polling of NFL execs and they put him at 20 at the beginning of the year. These are people who are paid to evaluate this stuff for a living. Now I personally think that's too low. I had him in the 12-17 range before this year with the ability to produce top 10 with some good pieces around him. That didn't work out because of the line and some other stuff but regardless 20 seemed too low. But I would argue if someone has him in the 5-10 range and the people who do this for a living have him at 20 then you're probably a little biased.

His completion % and accuracy are awesome. I don't put a ton of stock in completion % though because its also a function of our ADOT and other stuff. I just don't think that is enough to trump the areas he's been bad in. His QBR being 21st sort of points to that and worse I think in passer rating and DVOA paint a more complete picture.

I don't have him as high as you do but I also don't have him as low as how the rest of the league views him. I do think they put more stock into his turnovers and decision making than the average Seahawks fan does. We will see though. If Seattle lets him test the waters and he gets a big contract you're probably right in your evaluation. If there is no market then I think you should be willing to evaluate where you might be wrong in your view of him? If he gets a ton of money I have to be willing to admit I was wrong too and I would.

People keep ignoring this but where do you do rank Geno? If the league blew up and we had a redraft for one year what quarterback off the board are you taking him? Remember you can even leave out age in this exercise.

 

[keasley45]

Sando does his yearly polling of NFL execs and they put him at 20 at the beginning of the year. These are people who are paid to evaluate this stuff for a living. Now I personally think that's too low. I had him in the 12-17 range before this year with the ability to produce top 10 with some good pieces around him. That didn't work out because of the line and some other stuff but regardless 20 seemed too low. But I would argue if someone has him in the 5-10 range and the people who do this for a living have him at 20 then you're probably a little biased.

His completion % and accuracy are awesome. I don't put a ton of stock in completion % though because its also a function of our ADOT and other stuff. I just don't think that is enough to trump the areas he's been bad in. His QBR being 21st sort of points to that and worse I think in passer rating and DVOA paint a more complete picture.

I don't have him as high as you do but I also don't have him as low as how the rest of the league views him. I do think they put more stock into his turnovers and decision making than the average Seahawks fan does. We will see though. If Seattle lets him test the waters and he gets a big contract you're probably right in your evaluation. If there is no market then I think you should be willing to evaluate where you might be wrong in your view of him? If he gets a ton of money I have to be willing to admit I was wrong too and I would.

People keep ignoring this but where do you do rank Geno? If the league blew up and we had a redraft for one year what quarterback off the board are you taking him? Remember you can even leave out age in this exercise.

I just dont see how you dont put much stock in completion percentage or adjusted completion percentage or leading the league in accurate throws when the guy is also playing behind an abysmal offensive line.

I mean, i get it if he had the protection that Goff gets. There are a few qbs who could sit behind a line that guves you all day and complete a ton of passes.

But to do it behind a line that not only gives up pressure but does so up the middle, right in the qbs face, forcing him to make quick throws or constantly reset his platform entirely??

Here. From Sporting News :

Start quote *The Athletic on Seahawks iOL

“The hardest thing to deal with for a quarterback is when you’re getting interior pressure... When you have pressure on the edges, you can step up and do some things athletically to avoid those pressures. But when you have pressure up the middle constantly, it’s very hard to deal with. So I think coming into the offseason … that has to be a No. 1 priority – fixing the interior of that line."

This is true. Even though general manager John Schneider has said that guards are overdrafted and overpaid in the past, this is clearly the team's greatest weakness and the biggest single reason why they will be on the outside looking in as the NFL playoffs begin tomorrow afternoon.


Seahawks OL is even worse than you think


In fact, the offensive line is even worse than the numbers or the film suggests. Geno Smith's game has flaws, but he's one of the best quarterbacks in the league at avoiding pressure and making plays, and he still got sacked 50 times this season. If they were to start over with a QB who isn't as adept at avoiding sacks the offense might totally collapse under this dynamic. For example, backup quarterback Sam Howell only played about five minutes this season and he wound up taking four sacks.

Put someone like Justin Fields or a rookie back there in Smith's place and they'll likely get hit so often that the passing game will get completely grounded for the year. With a poor run game to boot the Seahawks might finish with one of the worst offenses in football." *End quote

NFL expert identifies top offseason priority for Seattle Seahawks | Sporting News

So, how do they go about fixing this group?

www.sportingnews.com

And i am not the one trying throw a number or a rank at him. All i keep on saying is that no 20th ranked qb in the world... not even a 15th ranked qb can play for BS oc's, behind a BS O line and finish in the top of the league in accuracy, long ball play, on target throws, completion percentage etc. The very things that should KEEP a qb from atttaining those honors are stacked against him and he has done it anyway.

I dont have the calaculus to determine how high Geno can go, but 2+2 is always 4. And if you can do the half of what he has done in the crap offenses he has had to play, you HAVE to be pretty damn good.

Let 2025 solve that eternal debate around exactly how good .

 

[Sperrydogg]

It's toffee that keeps repeating everyone thinks Howell is better. I can't find anyone actually saying that but maybe I missed it.

I think people have said its possible going much cheaper with a guy like Howell and using the money saves to improve other spots might be a better idea but that's a different argument.

Toffee doesn’t really think that though he just likes tormenting geNos

 

[pittpnthrs]

Mcvay would take Geno in a heartbeat.

Just stop!

 

[keasley45]

All of this.

 

[keasley45]

Just stop!

I half hope he ends up there and kicks our ass once or twice.

 

[pittpnthrs]

If Stafford couldn't or wouldn't play in 2025, would Geno sacrifice a finger on his non throwing hand, or a pay cut to join the Rams? Would McVay want a 9 finger Geno?

I might have to reconsider my opinion. He did beat us in the playoffs with a 9 fingered Goff.

 

[pittpnthrs]

I half hope he ends up there and kicks our ass once or twice.

Isn't this just like the Russ lovers?

 

[Ozzy]

Isn't this just like the Russ lovers?

I love Russ but if we play him I hope he goes 1-17 with 12 yards and 4 picks.

 

[TwilightError]

First couple of years of Geno starting I absolutely wanted him replaced. But Geno has won me over. Seems like a true team player, a good guy and a proper quarterback. Now I’m fine with watching him play for a season or two more.

Obviously I still wish to see the Seahawks drafting or somehow acquiring the quarterback of the future to replace him sooner or later, as Geno is getting old and not a superstar who carries the team, but meanwhile I don’t think the seasons with him starting are wasted.

Go Geno! I’m happy he got his bonuses.

 

[toffee]

Toffee doesn’t really think that though he just likes tormenting geNos

My views:
(+)
Geno is the cheapest veteran QB
For his price, he delivers playoff level performance.
Athleticism, he can still run away from DTs and some LBs
Ability to make all kinds of throws with accuracy
(-)
Age, he is getting up in age, at some point his body will quit on him
Saving his body, he avoid injury above all else.
Hearing footsteps, biproduct of constantly facing pressure

I always liken Geno to Mercedes S class, a marvel of comfort and speed, but their owners' longing eyes often strayed toward the Rolls etc.

 

[strohmin]

An interesting article that paints a different picture than most were seeing.

Why Ryan Grubb wasn’t the problem with the Seahawks offense

The fired coordinator wasn’t blameless for the Seahawks’ offensive issues this season, but the main issue was personnel, writes columnist Matt Calkins.

www.seattletimes.com

The personel may have sucked but he didnt even try to balance the offense. The guy literally made passing a priority even when the run game was working in some games. Why go away from the run game when it is clearly working? If the guy made an attempt to balance the offense and it failed, you can say yeah it was all personel's fault but it is clear that Grubb is just against using the run game effectively.

 

[Sperrydogg]

My views:
(+)
Geno is the cheapest veteran QB
For his price, he delivers playoff level performance.
Athleticism, he can still run away from DTs and some LBs
Ability to make all kinds of throws with accuracy
(-)
Age, he is getting up in age, at some point his body will quit on him
Saving his body, he avoid injury above all else.
Hearing footsteps, biproduct of constantly facing pressure

I always liken Geno to Mercedes S class, a marvel of comfort and speed, but their owners' longing eyes often strayed toward the Rolls etc.

I liken geno to more of a small work truck than a Mercedes, doesn’t look good and it’s hard to think it’s tough enough, but with enough straps you can haul a little material to the jobsite

 

[BGHawk]

Well, idc what MM says..I'm tired of Geno, indecision, piss poor in the RZ , interceptions, moping on the sidelines, never talking things out with OL on the sidelines, not accepting responsibility..etc

 

[Ozzy]

Well, idc what MM says..I'm tired of Geno, indecision, piss poor in the RZ , interceptions, moping on the sidelines, never talking things out with OL on the sidelines, not accepting responsibility..etc

Careful the mob doesn’t take this type of post lightly ha!

These are fair points. The whole issue is a nuanced one, I think that’s why people can feel so strongly in their stance. You can find some metric to support loving Geno or hating him. I don’t disagree with your issues with Geno though.

 

[SeaWolv]

The days of having a great defense, solid running game and a mid QB and getting to the Super Bowl are long in the past.

Nick Foles and the 2018 Super Bowl champion Eagles would seem to disagree with you.

 

[JayhawkMike]

Nick Foles and the 2018 Super Bowl champion Eagles would seem to disagree with you.

7 years ago? Rule changes my man. And if you have to dig that deep it really proves the rule

 

[Chukarhawk]

Mcvay would take Geno in a heartbeat.

 

[RiverDog]

IF they get someone to learn from Geno next year, I'm all in. Geno would be a good mentor, imo. He would embrace it.
That being said, a new contract? No thanks. Make him play out his final season of his current deal. Not really up to him, though he probably does have some leverage.

How do you know that Geno would be a good mentor? Some players are, some aren't. That's why I always cringe when someone wants a great player as their head coach because they think that their success as a player will automatically translate to success as a coach. Teaching is a skill that not everyone is blessed with, and unless we personally know them, we really can't tell who has it and who doesn't.

Having said that, I'm with the consensus on Geno. I'm under no illusion that he can take us to a Super Bowl, but barring some type of blockbuster trade, he's as good as we're going to get. There is no other viable alternative.