MacDonald riding with Geno

[SonicHawk]

Herbert had 3.

At least I can blame all 3 on Herbert haha. What a year for him.

Also only QB who has 0 INT in a clean pocket. Geno only has 2 surprisingly which is right at the bottom before Justin.

 

[Rat]

Yeah people seem to want to blame Grubb for everything while making nothing Geno's fault. That's the problem I have. We excuse everything away and it must be someone elses fault because Geno is elite. I'm not buying it. Maybe I'm wrong and he's a top 5 guy like Keasley and others argue but I would bet against it. I hope he plays much better with a better line and a new OC though.

Yeah, with some of these people, nothing good ever happens in spite of Geno, nothing bad ever happens because of Geno. All of the credit, none of the blame.

I wish I didn't let it bother because I think I often let my annoyance with that stuff prevent me from actually appreciating him. Objectively, he's a good-to-very-good quarterback, who is a great story to root for, and there are a number of things he does legitimately very well. If we did well improving things around him (which isn't going to happen overnight), I don't doubt that he'd post better stats, have more good games, and fewer poor ones. However, a lot of it with him comes down to what you were sharing from Huard in that he just makes too many damn rookie mistakes for me, and at his age, I think it'd be foolish to expect him to develop further. He should be what he is by now. His physical abilities are likely to decline soon; the QBs who survive that the longest are the ones who are best equipped to think their way around the field. I don't think he's stupid, but he sure doesn't look to me like a guy who is a great processor either.

At the very least, I want fewer eggs in this basket going forward. I'm OK going into the offseason and making moves with the thought that he will most likely be the starter next year. What I want to see is an effort towards a succession plan.

 

[toffee]

Our young head coach was kind to our aging QB, he could just sit Geno and start Howell, that would save the team $6 mil of bonus money to Geno.

 

[Rat]

Our young head coach was kind to our aging QB, he could just sit Geno and start Howell, that would save the team $6 mil of bonus money to Geno.

The fact that I still occasionally indulge your insipid trolling probably says something about me (not that I'm really even posting this for you as I'm aware you're being intellectually dishonest on purpose, but others might not realize that), but $2 million of that he would have earned without playing, as he just needed to keep his completion percentage above where it already was.

And if Geno... I'm sorry I'm mean if the team had lost (Geno never loses) and he had finished just short of the yardage bonus, anyone who thinks the team wouldnt have paid it out anyway is delusional. Nobody actually cares about his incentive money, they just knew the Rams prioritizing rest meant big stats were out there. Geno getting those stats could prop him up, while a backup playing created the risk of putting up numbers that could undermine Geno.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Yep, he was getting that $ no matter what.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Yeah, with some of these people, nothing good ever happens in spite of Geno, nothing bad ever happens because of Geno. All of the credit, none of the blame.

I wish I didn't let it bother because I think I often let my annoyance with that stuff prevent me from actually appreciating him. Objectively, he's a good-to-very-good quarterback, who is a great story to root for, and there are a number of things he does legitimately very well. If we did well improving things around him (which isn't going to happen overnight), I don't doubt that he'd post better stats, have more good games, and fewer poor ones. However, a lot of it with him comes down to what you were sharing from Huard in that he just makes too many damn rookie mistakes for me, and at his age, I think it'd be foolish to expect him to develop further. He should be what he is by now. His physical abilities are likely to decline soon; the QBs who survive that the longest are the ones who are best equipped to think their way around the field. I don't think he's stupid, but he sure doesn't look to me like a guy who is a great processor either.

At the very least, I want fewer eggs in this basket going forward. I'm OK going into the offseason and making moves with the thought that he will most likely be the starter next year. What I want to see is an effort towards a succession plan.

I'm right there with you, the guy makes a lot of unforced errors, even with procedural stuff. Things that a veteran should have down. In many ways he's a lot like Wilson, in that he's good at specific things, but bankrupt in others.

Geno isn't elite, never will be -- what is worse is every year his efficiency stats are falling. He's also developing a really nasty habit of holding onto the ball and he absolutely doesn't sense when players are bearing down on him. His situational awareness at times is also hilariously bad.

Another thing is i've don't know if I've seen a QB with as many communication errors as Geno. He doesn't seem like he's on the same page with his receivers, people blame guys like DK -- but mishaps like that can also be caused by the QB. DK and Lockett never really had the same issues with Wilson, though Wilson came with his own quirks and features.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Well said, Spin

 

[warden]

Like it or not Geno will be our starting QB next year. You can whine, complain and Bitch all you want but that is all you will be doing. It is not going to change who our starting QB is

There is just no realistic better options in Free agency or the draft this upcoming year. McDonald is fully aware of this

This does not mean Geno is the future, it just means he is our QB next year

Do we sign Geno to an extension, I would prefer not but I don’t make the decisions

Chances are extremely good that if you improve the interior offensive line, we may be able to establish a consistent run game between the tackles which is something we don’t have. This year the few times we tried to run inside, especially with Walker we got zero and one yard gains.

Improve the run game and interior pass blocking, Geno’s play will drastically improve. There is maybe five QBs in the league that can succeed with a poor supporting cast, all the rest need a good team around them to succeed. Let’s work on getting the supporting cast done first, then work on the QBOTF

 

[Spin Doctor]

Like it or not Geno will be our starting QB next year. You can whine, complain and Bitch all you want but that is all you will be doing. It is not going to change who our starting QB is

There is just no realistic better options in Free agency or the draft this upcoming year. McDonald is fully aware of this

This does not mean Geno is the future, it just means he is our QB next year

Do we sign Geno to an extension, I would prefer not but I don’t make the decisions

Chances are extremely good that if you improve the interior offensive line, we may be able to establish a consistent run game between the tackles which is something we don’t have. This year the few times we tried to run inside, especially with Walker we got zero and one yard gains.

Improve the run game and interior pass blocking, Geno’s play will drastically improve. There is maybe five QBs in the league that can succeed with a poor supporting cast, all the rest need a good team around them to succeed. Let’s work on getting the supporting cast done first, then work on the QBOTF

My main gripe is that JS seems content just to kick the can down the road.

I’ve said many times that Geno is really our only option right now and he’s still under contract.

Also, how long has our line been less than ideal? Probably since 2006. That didn’t stop Wilson from coming in and having a great career here. Didn’t stop Burrows from having an MVP caliber season, didn’t stop Jayden Daniel’s from dominating as a rookie, didn’t stop CJ Stroud last year.

Also, getting a guy you like and redshirting him is completely valid. I don’t think QBs such as Love would’ve been successful if they started from day 1.

My whole issue with the Geno thing is not so much the player himself but the FO not capitalizing on developing a guy for the future.

Sometimes it really feels like Schneider is trying to money ball the QB and offensive line positions.

 

[Titus Pullo]

Maybe Zach Wilson will be a cheaper option to bring in. It sounds like he won't be staying in Denver.

 

[Seahawk_Dan]

Maybe Zach Wilson will be a cheaper option to bring in. It sounds like he won't be staying in Denver.

Not a bad idea.

He's younger, cheaper, and there isn't a reason why he can't produce similar numbers to Geno did this year (which were not world breaking numbers).

Wilson may not be the next Sam Darnold (and lets be fair, Geno too), not every reclamation project will be that but unfortunately the name of the game is money and cap and Geno is gonna be owed 44.5 million in 2025. He (and others) need to be trimmed so the team can actually build an Oline and not just dumpster dive for what scrub is on the street to save a penny.

 

[Ozzy]

Yeah, with some of these people, nothing good ever happens in spite of Geno, nothing bad ever happens because of Geno. All of the credit, none of the blame.

I wish I didn't let it bother because I think I often let my annoyance with that stuff prevent me from actually appreciating him. Objectively, he's a good-to-very-good quarterback, who is a great story to root for, and there are a number of things he does legitimately very well. If we did well improving things around him (which isn't going to happen overnight), I don't doubt that he'd post better stats, have more good games, and fewer poor ones. However, a lot of it with him comes down to what you were sharing from Huard in that he just makes too many damn rookie mistakes for me, and at his age, I think it'd be foolish to expect him to develop further. He should be what he is by now. His physical abilities are likely to decline soon; the QBs who survive that the longest are the ones who are best equipped to think their way around the field. I don't think he's stupid, but he sure doesn't look to me like a guy who is a great processor either.

At the very least, I want fewer eggs in this basket going forward. I'm OK going into the offseason and making moves with the thought that he will most likely be the starter next year. What I want to see is an effort towards a succession plan.

Solid post!

 

[Titus Pullo]

Not a bad idea.

He's younger, cheaper, and there isn't a reason why he can't produce similar numbers to Geno did this year (which were not world breaking numbers).

Wilson may not be the next Sam Darnold (and lets be fair, Geno too), not every reclamation project will be that but unfortunately the name of the game is money and cap and Geno is gonna be owed 44.5 million in 2025. He (and others) need to be trimmed so the team can actually build an Oline and not just dumpster dive for what scrub is on the street to save a penny.

Wilson is young, mobile, decent size (6'2" 218lbs), and has a great arm (See Link). He had almost the same career path as Geno.
Former No. 1 pick...... Drafted by the Jets.... Abandoned by the Jets. Might as well follow Geno here.

Plus, an entirely new offense will be installed again next year.

Zach Wilson achieves 69 mph on the radar gun, fastest for any QB measured by Next Gen Stats

Sometimes the Zach Wilson jokes just write themselves. You’d have to live under a rock to not hear of the

sportsnaut.com

 

[Ozzy]

But you dont attrubute poor play design by a poor coordinator(s) to those 'lucky to not be intercepted' passes when you are talking about literally the QB with the lowest percentage of bad throws?

Nope he played a part in it too. But watching Geno’s picks many were just objectively bad.

Also the lowest % of bad throws doesn’t mean you make some critical mistakes at the worst time. Both can be true. Trying to paint it as because he’s accurate most of the time the bad plays can’t be his fault shows a bias. I’ve said this many times. He’s one of the most accurate passers in the league. He also has a problem with turnovers because of terrible decision making. One doesn’t negate the other.

His picks aren’t because he miss throws a ball with inaccuracy. There almost always just terrible decisions.

 

[James in PA]

Geno Smith: our starting quarterback again next year ...

 

[Titus Pullo]

When a QB declines, it happens rapidly. Usually starts around 30-years-old.​

Quarterback Age Curves

Last summer, I looked at the age curves for running backs in an attempt to find out if there is a magical cliff at age 30 (there isn’t). But when I wrote about Josh Freeman last week, I started thinking about quarterback age curves. The first step in trying to measure the aging patterns of

www.footballperspective.com

 

[Chukarhawk]

Wilson is young, mobile, decent size (6'2" 218lbs), and has a great arm (See Link). He had almost the same career path as Geno.
Former No. 1 pick...... Drafted by the Jets.... Abandoned by the Jets. Might as well follow Geno here.

Plus, an entirely new offense will be installed again next year.

Zach Wilson achieves 69 mph on the radar gun, fastest for any QB measured by Next Gen Stats

Sometimes the Zach Wilson jokes just write themselves. You’d have to live under a rock to not hear of the

sportsnaut.com

Geno was a day 2 pick, taken in the second round

 

[Titus Pullo]

Geno was a day 2 pick, taken in the second round

Thus, I said: He had almost the same career path as Geno.

 

[GemCity]

Like it or not Geno will be our starting QB next year. You can whine, complain and Bitch all you want but that is all you will be doing. It is not going to change who our starting QB is

There is just no realistic better options in Free agency or the draft this upcoming year. McDonald is fully aware of this

This does not mean Geno is the future, it just means he is our QB next year

Do we sign Geno to an extension, I would prefer not but I don’t make the decisions

Chances are extremely good that if you improve the interior offensive line, we may be able to establish a consistent run game between the tackles which is something we don’t have. This year the few times we tried to run inside, especially with Walker we got zero and one yard gains.

Improve the run game and interior pass blocking, Geno’s play will drastically improve. There is maybe five QBs in the league that can succeed with a poor supporting cast, all the rest need a good team around them to succeed. Let’s work on getting the supporting cast done first, then work on the QBOTF

 

[GemCity]

I want a top 15 line before I throw Geno out.

With that said, I’m hoping we don’t pay that cat $40M+ the year after.