Looks like Pete Ball is back on the Menu Boys

[SoulfishHawk]

It's a trip when someone can't just enjoy a win. Like not even a little bit.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

It's a trip when someone can't just enjoy a win. Like not even a little bit.

It's not just that, it's ACTIVELY rooting against your team because you hate the head coach so much.

That's some sick twisted fandom. I WANT US TO LOSE ALL 17 GAMES SO PETE'S FINALLY FIRED SO WE CAN GET ANOTHER COACH IN HERE THAT HAS A STATISTICALLY WORSE CHANCE OF BEING SUCCESSFUL ARRGGGG THAN PETE WOULD IF HE STAYED!!!

 

[Seahawker]

Unlike so many in here I very much appreciate Fade exposing the many Hawk deficiencies, his unwavering watchful eye holding the coaches and the organization accountable. I do have a request for him though, how about we give Carroll, Hurtt & Waldron a bit of a break and go after special teams coach Larry Izzo, as our ST's now rank #29 & I can't bear to watch Dickson struggle to get off another punt. Sick em' boy! your key punches will bring us success! Also there is a rumor that the janitorial crew has been shirking their responsibilities in replacing toilet paper rolls in the Lumen field restrooms. Also its been said they are using a very cheap brand of TP.
Thanks in advance.

 

[HawkStrong]

But it's not true.

Out of our first 10 possessions yesterday, SEVEN of them were pass first, and SIX of those were pass, pass.

You've got to get into late 4th quarter when we were protecting the lead and trying to run out the clock before you even get to anything that resembled "Pete ball" with run, run into loaded boxes.

7/10 pass first drives. The End. Now move on to your next I hate Pete incorrect hot take.

Truth serum right here.

 

[keasley45]

I praised the passing on early downs against stacked boxes to start the season. They went away from that in this specific game, that is the problem.

Running into loaded boxes, having Geno hold the ball and take sacks is not good.

I know everyone is looking at the results and outcome and feeling good off that alone. I'm looking at the process
and a reversion back to this style.

The defense isn't fixed either, that performance was a bigger indictment in the Cardinals offense.

The NFC stinks as a whole, and the WEST might be the worst division, so that'll help a little more in the win column. I had 'em at 5 wins before the season. Quality of opponent might get them to 7 wins. I don't see that as something to celebrate.

There is no goalpost moving I've been pointing out these same issues for years and they still remain, so I will continue to point them out. Celebrating mediocrity is odd.

Good. So we are still doomed

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Unlike so many in here I very much appreciate Fade exposing the many Hawk deficiencies, his unwavering watchful eye holding the coaches and the organization accountable. I do have a request for him though, how about we give Carroll, Hurtt & Waldron a bit of a break and go after special teams coach Larry Izzo, as our ST's now rank #29 & I can't bear to watch Dickson struggle to get off another punt. Sick em' boy! your key punches will bring us success! Also there is a rumor that the janitorial crew has been shirking their responsibilities in replacing toilet paper rolls in the Lumen field restrooms. Also its been said they are using a very cheap brand of TP.
Thanks in advance.

How bout just being statistically correct in your criticisms.

Giving subjective opinions based on pre-conceived biases and not backing it up with factual evidence is not holding anyone accountable.

I've kicked Pete in the nuts plenty, but no one thought he'd have the draft he had (on their way to being one of the greatest draft classes in Hawk history), and believing in Geno when literally NO ONE else did, and getting a very young team to 3-3 is nothing short of a fantastic coaching job.

Period.

 

[MORGULON]

bingo

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Be it due to birth order or how they were raised, a know-it-all person may have gotten used to being the center of attention. By dispensing their knowledge at the drop of a hat, they get a chance to be in the spotlight.

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Dayum. You just described me!!

 

[TwistedHusky]

My concern with Pete was that he was going to get us at .500 or near. And regardless of the roster, we would be bobbing around at mediocrity but still not getting the kind of draft slots we needed to get a top QB to turn this into a contending team again.

And as predicted, that is precisely what Pete is doing.
But not as predicted, it was the defense that struggled not the offense. The implications are pretty severe. Replacing the QB does not fix that. Especially when our QB is producing which was another unpredicted outcome.

So we don't have to worry about losing to get the QB, and things get more complicated from here. There is no clear answer, anotherwords.

Someone made the comparison between Pete and Al Davis (I think Fade?) and that is a perfect comparison. Al Davis exerted so much control over the team, he hurt it in his later years.

Maybe Pete flipped things, he is making some changes. But five games is not enough time to know. We will see.

The urgency isn't as significant because there was no loss of the top QB concern. Just as we aren't worried about a playoff slot. So we let it play out.

But one good game after some real disasters is not enough to allay concern. Can this at least be an average defense over time? That is the question.

 

[LeaveLynchAlone]

My concern with Pete was that he was going to get us at .500 or near. And regardless of the roster, we would be bobbing around at mediocrity but still not getting the kind of draft slots we needed to get a top QB to turn this into a contending team again.

And as predicted, that is precisely what Pete is doing.
But not as predicted, it was the defense that struggled not the offense. The implications are pretty severe. Replacing the QB does not fix that. Especially when our QB is producing which was another unpredicted outcome.

So we don't have to worry about losing to get the QB, and things get more complicated from here. There is no clear answer, anotherwords.

Someone made the comparison between Pete and Al Davis (I think Fade?) and that is a perfect comparison. Al Davis exerted so much control over the team, he hurt it in his later years.

Maybe Pete flipped things, he is making some changes. But five games is not enough time to know. We will see.

The urgency isn't as significant because there was no loss of the top QB concern. Just as we aren't worried about a playoff slot. So we let it play out.

But one good game after some real disasters is not enough to allay concern. Can this at least be an average defense over time? That is the question.

This is pure comedy. Be careful when you choose to repeatedly sit on a picket fence.

It shows more character to admit you were wrong than fight kicking and screaming as the wood you're sitting on is only going to lead to a medical problem.

This reminds me of 40 pound salmon flopping on the deck.

 

[seatownlowdown]

The defense isn't fixed either,

But one good game after some real disasters is not enough to allay concern. Can this at least be an average defense over time? That is the question.

who thinks the defense is fixed? i'm curious? i don't remember anybody suggesting this. oh, that's right, nobody did.



so here you go again making strawman arguments out of thin air to push your narratives. you hedge your bets on something being absolute. then things change. and then you get pigeonholed, back against the wall, argument backfires, and you have to walk back everything you just said, switch the subject, or go full denial. it's why you're consistently wrong as much as you are right. it's why you post obvious things as if we can't see for ourselves, just to be safe and and act like you're a genius for addressing that obvious thing... because it's more important to you to push a narrative and be considered correct, than actually be correct or have anything meaningful to add. doubtful any of us think pete is a genius or the best coach. his warts are evident. it's also evident that neither of you are the bright bulbs you think you are. in fact, i'm worried about the obsession. it says a lot.

it says that you just can't accept impermanence. you can't accept that nothing is inherent, nothing is solid, nothing is forever. things and perceptions of things are always changing. you won't allow for "things" to get better. your reactive, short-sided disposition won't allow for it. can't enjoy the ride. you'd rather just lash out at a target and shit on it and anything that doesn't agree with your empty agenda. this is a problem with you, not us, nor reality. you both seem to lack joy or being able to find purpose or positives in the moment. a complete lack of acceptance in something you can't change anyway. insufferable. misery loves company, but excuse some of us that don't want to join you.

"pete sucks and here's why" - you, probably. so ok, even if that's 100% true what are you going to do about it? oh, that's right, absolutely nothing. but that won't stop you from creating post after post here like an incessant 4 year old child that wants attention. and that's what it is, a cry for attention. take a step back from the computer and re-evaluate why you feel the need to waste your time.


i'm a seahawk fan. pete carroll should be far from reproach. at points i've wanted him gone too. but your posts are saying more about you than him. it seems like completely wasted energy. both of you are welcome here. don't let this post mislead you. i know both have something to offer and i hope this outlet is doing something for you. so... anyway...


go hawks?

 

[Spohawks]

Give me one of those depth passes next gen stats for the AZ. Geno looked like dog trash throwing the deep ball. Thats on Pete!

Yeah anybody can throw a bomb on the middle school level DBs of the Lions...whup dee!

 

[Maelstrom787]

Give me one of those depth passes next gen stats for the AZ. Geno looked like dog trash throwing the deep ball. Thats on Pete!

Yeah anybody can throw a bomb on the middle school level DBs of the Lions...whup dee!

But what about the Saints? He bombed them like they were hidin' oil.

Geno hasn't been bad deep. It just isn't arguable.

 

[seatownlowdown]

Geno looked like dog trash throwing the deep ball. Thats on Pete!

imagine posting this

 

[keasley45]

My concern with Pete was that he was going to get us at .500 or near. And regardless of the roster, we would be bobbing around at mediocrity but still not getting the kind of draft slots we needed to get a top QB to turn this into a contending team again.

And as predicted, that is precisely what Pete is doing.
But not as predicted, it was the defense that struggled not the offense. The implications are pretty severe. Replacing the QB does not fix that. Especially when our QB is producing which was another unpredicted outcome.

So we don't have to worry about losing to get the QB, and things get more complicated from here. There is no clear answer, anotherwords.

Someone made the comparison between Pete and Al Davis (I think Fade?) and that is a perfect comparison. Al Davis exerted so much control over the team, he hurt it in his later years.

Maybe Pete flipped things, he is making some changes. But five games is not enough time to know. We will see.

The urgency isn't as significant because there was no loss of the top QB concern. Just as we aren't worried about a playoff slot. So we let it play out.

But one good game after some real disasters is not enough to allay concern. Can this at least be an average defense over time? That is the question.

What are you talking about? I'm sorry, but this is just painting the barn blue for the sh!ts of it.

Pete came in here and built a team that SHOULD have won 5 games with an aging Hass and a bunch of no names and has beens on the roster and won 7 games behind the unherladed RB nobody thought was worthwhile. And then he took that 7 win team and that RB and beat the crap out of the Superbowl favorite Saints that year.

Then he completely tore apart the roster and with a bunch of young bucks and a nobody at qb, was still competitive. 7 wins when any other coach could have managed again, maybe 5.


THEN... he drafted Russell Wilson and assembled one of the best defenses in the history of the league and set the NFL on its ear, literally necessitating rule changes and fundamentally changing the way teams approach practice and competing across the league.

He took us to two Superbowls and then unfortunately allowed the entire team to be handcuffed by his loyalty to one RW3.

Peteball was a result of Russ and as is now OBVIOUSLY apparent, so were the overly simple game plans and needing to compensate for having almost no traditional, timing based passing offense with a ground and pound run game.

To compare him to AL Davis, is as misplaced a comp as I can think of. Davis didn't coach. He only had a basic philosophy he subscribed to, not a deep and nuanced way of coaching, teaching, developing talent, and building team chemistry.

You can hate him all you want and try to find reasons to disparage every successful thing he's done. Fact is he built a contender from zero. He then created a beast of a team that should have won 2 titles. And he then unfortunately squandered a legacy with them for the admiration he had for his QB. But even in that failing, he managed to take a QB who couldn't throw short or to the middle of the field, couldn't read defenses, and was never good at passing for 3rd downs through the air and kept us competitive... scratch that... he made us the second most winning franchise in the league over a 10 year span and only suffered a losing season last year because his QB, Russell Wilson went full Walter Kurtz on him and had to be taken out.

He's not without flaw. But the notion that he's just a coach who can't help himself above 500 is just flatly ignoring history and taking those elements of it that match your narrative and sanitizing them of any context.

 

[JGreen79]

How bout just being statistically correct in your criticisms.

Giving subjective opinions based on pre-conceived biases and not backing it up with factual evidence is not holding anyone accountable.

I've kicked Pete in the nuts plenty, but no one thought he'd have the draft he had (on their way to being one of the greatest draft classes in Hawk history), and believing in Geno when literally NO ONE else did, and getting a very young team to 3-3 is nothing short of a fantastic coaching job.

Period.

Hell if Bryant and Woolen, keep progressing as they have it's a good class. If Cross and Lucas continue to progress as well it's an elite class. And then, if what little we've seen of Walker is real it's possibly the best class ever.

 

[sutz]

Hell if Bryant and Woolen, keep progressing as they have it's a good class. If Cross and Lucas continue to progress as well it's an elite class. And then, if what little we've seen of Walker is real it's possibly the best class ever.

Yeah, getting 4-5 starters out of one draft is pretty flaming elite. Getting what is looking like a couple of possible pro-bowlers is pretty good.

 

[Ozzy]

I agree he does have a chance to be up there but I have loved many of the
Unicorns of RB's we have had in Seattle over the years,it's amazing how
many good ones we have had.
I hope he stays healthy like Barry Sanders and is near as good.

I was Christine michaels biggest fan lol

 

[Maelstrom787]

I was Christine michaels biggest fan lol

Man had springs in his feet and mashed potatoes in his head

 

[Spohawks]

imagine posting this

Pete calls the plays, you can say the OC does but Pete approves the play or the OC is gone.

 

[Smellyman]

Man had springs in his feet and mashed potatoes in his head

Rawls went to the school of Christine.