Kupp

[CallMeADawg]

If I say I overpaid for a pair of jeans that doesn't mean I dislike the jeans, it just means I overpaid for the Jeans...

He's have an of start to the year stats wize, but his age and the fact he's just getting older...

Despite your agism he’s playing well and I don’t think we overpaid at all.

 

[keasley45]

Kupp's value goes way beyond his on the field stats. Teams would be ok paying a #2 $15 to $16M per year JUST for on field production. Kupp is a QB at the WR spot. He makes the WR room better. He makes the QB room better, and I am sure he is helping to make Kubiak better with all the knowledge he has brought with him from McVay. That added value is immeasurable.

 

[flv2]

2025 Top paid WR’s AAV that were acquired via trade or free agency:

Name Production Cost
DK Metcalf 19/356/4 33M
AJ Brown 25/274/1 32M
Tyreek Hill 21/265/1 30M
DJ Moore 19/215/1 27.5M
Calvin Ridley 16/290/0 23M
Davonte Adams 26/396/3 23M
Stefon Diggs 32/387/0 21.2M
Christian Kirk 10/109/0 18M
Deebo Samuel 34/315/3 17.5M
Jerry Jeudy 20/240/0 17.5M
Cooper Kupp 23/261/1 15M

I think this the best way to look at his contract and I wouldn’t call that overpaying. I’d say 4 WR’s on the list are out producing him on the field but his stats are right there with 2-5 on the list at around half the price. And that doesn’t factor in what he adds to the WR room like so many others have mentioned. I think he’s worth every penny.

If Kupp performs as he has for the past ⅓ season for the next 2⅔ seasons then he will have been worth every penny of the $15M per season average, but this is a reification fallacy. The Seahawks signed an oft-injured player, (who was healthy when he signed), with the expectation that he would likely get hurt playing at some point, suffer more niggling hamstring issues, or decline physically with age. It's not a $15M per year contract. It's a $17.5M 1-year contract with an option for $13.5M in 2026 and another option in 2027 at $14M should he make it through the 1st 2 years. If he has 3 great years then everyone will be happy, but it's way too early to make such assumptions.

 

[Ruminator]

Optimistic we'll be soon be happy seeing our Kupp overrunneth with chains moved and touchdowns scored.

 

[BDD222]

He is on pace for approximately 746 yards.

 

[LeveeBreak]

If Kupp performs as he has for the past ⅓ season for the next 2⅔ seasons then he will have been worth every penny of the $15M per season average, but this is a reification fallacy. The Seahawks signed an oft-injured player, (who was healthy when he signed), with the expectation that he would likely get hurt playing at some point, suffer more niggling hamstring issues, or decline physically with age. It's not a $15M per year contract. It's a $17.5M 1-year contract with an option for $13.5M in 2026 and another option in 2027 at $14M should he make it through the 1st 2 years. If he has 3 great years then everyone will be happy, but it's way too early to make such assumptions.

Are you stating that as fact or speculation?

If fact and inclined to provide support, please do as I've not read any statements from JS or MacDaddy qualifying their expectations.

If speculation, then I understand the perspective, but don't agree the way it's stated. I'd say they took a calculated/informed risk with the understanding that Kupp's potential for injury is higher than others, but not an expectation.

Every player has this risk, but their probabilities differ. I'd swag the probability of multiple game injury starts @ ~20% for most starters and goes up from there based on other criteria. Kupp probably hitting the 50% or so (again, a swag).

Barring a major injury, I'd be shocked if they let Kupp walk after this season and potentially could fulfill the entire contract. Considering his value to a young WR corps and the team overall, I still think he's a f'n bargain!

 

[GemCity]

He’s fine except I think they paid him way too much money. Three years $45 million with a guarantee of $17.5 million all paid this year. His cap hit the next two years is roughly $18 million per season with salaries of $13 million and $14 million respectively. It’s almost certain he will not be here in year three.

Agree with this. I’m not salty…but, it is rather high.

I trust though that with the attention JSN will receive, that Kupp is going to do what Kupp does and be a difference maker on the field.

I’m guessing that we sorta had to go that high for risk/fear of not signing him.

 

[sutz]

I stand by my earlier statement that if we get a handful of catches/game from Kupp, he'll have earned his contract, especially when you consider how many of those catches are for first downs or TDs.

As for the injury concern, I'm sure that the team has taken that into consideration. If we limit his targets to much less than the 15-20 he used to get in LA, the risk of injury will be much less. If he is targeted 5-10 times a game and catches the majority of them, which is pretty likely, he'll be the solid #2 WR he was signed to be.

 

[flv2]

Are you stating that as fact or speculation?

If fact and inclined to provide support, please do as I've not read any statements from JS or MacDaddy qualifying their expectations.

If speculation, then I understand the perspective, but don't agree the way it's stated. I'd say they took a calculated/informed risk with the understanding that Kupp's potential for injury is higher than others, but not an expectation.

Every player has this risk, but their probabilities differ. I'd swag the probability of multiple game injury starts @ ~20% for most starters and goes up from there based on other criteria. Kupp probably hitting the 50% or so (again, a swag).

Barring a major injury, I'd be shocked if they let Kupp walk after this season and potentially could fulfill the entire contract. Considering his value to a young WR corps and the team overall, I still think he's a f'n bargain!

The post I was responding to was referring to Kupp's contract as a $15M per year average, which will only be the case if he sticks for 3 years. IF he sticks for 3 years and IF he performs at such a high level throughout the contract, and IF he provides the intangibles of upgrading other players THEN a case can be made for his being good value for $45M. I'm saying it's far from a certainty. As a comparison Lockett went from reaching performance targets on a $16M contract, to taking a pay cut, and then signing elsewhere for a maximum $6M over a period of 3 years when people expected him to decline. Kupp is a 1-year $17.5M rental...until he isn't.

 

[BDD222]

The post I was responding to was referring to Kupp's contract as a $15M per year average, which will only be the case if he sticks for 3 years. IF he sticks for 3 years and IF he performs at such a high level throughout the contract, and IF he provides the intangibles of upgrading other players THEN a case can be made for his being good value for $45M. I'm saying it's far from a certainty. As a comparison Lockett went from reaching performance targets on a $16M contract, to taking a pay cut, and then signing elsewhere for a maximum $6M over a period of 3 years when people expected him to decline. Kupp is a 1-year $17.5M rental...until he isn't.

Tyler Lockett has 52 yards in 6 games.

 

[flv2]

Tyler Lockett has 52 yards in 6 games.

That's the point. In 2023 Lockett was a $16M WR2 with 79 receptions for 894 yards, which increased his basic 2024 salary to $17M. The Seahawks asked him to take a pay cut for 2024, which he did, and in 2025 he looks finished.

 

[chrispy]

If the extra cost gives Seahawks the first shot at signing him as WR Coach the instant he decides to retire, it's worth the cost.

He made Puka Nakua. He elevated JSN. He contributes every game and either catches, blocks or decoys actively every down. Imagine if Kupp created that culture in the WR room for the next 15 years in Seattle....

 

[keasley45]

The idea that he is basically guaranteed to get injured and miss significant time over the next few years is a little crazy IMO. Kupp was THE key cog in an offense that threw the ball all over the field and ran its receivers ragged in the process. That’s not a knock on the system, it’s just a statement of fact. To have 2, 3 or 4 wr running routes virtually EVERY play at 80 to 100% full tilt, game after game and THEN also block the way McVay’s offense requires will wear you down. Period. Kupp coming here is a reprieve from what he is accustomed to. I’d wager even at this point his body has seen a fraction of the stress it would have had he been running what he did when he was with the Rams. I would honestly be more concerned with JSN getting hurt given the utilization he is seeing than Coop. Coop will be fine. He is a complimentary piece in a run based offense.

 

[Seahwkgal]

That is fine with Horton and Young developing.

And we also have Barner and the rookie TE is on the verge of breaking out(I hope).

 

[RolandDeschain]

I think we bought high...

 

[Trackhawk]

That's the point. In 2023 Lockett was a $16M WR2 with 79 receptions for 894 yards, which increased his basic 2024 salary to $17M. The Seahawks asked him to take a pay cut for 2024, which he did, and in 2025 he looks finished.

I would be curious to see what his stat line would have looked like in an offense with Darnold, JSN and Kupp. Certainly not $17M, or whatever 2025 would have been, I'm too lazy to go look it up right now, but at the cut rate the Seahawks offered. Then again, they might not have signed Kupp, had Lockett agreed to the rate cut.

IMHO we are better off with Kupp. Not that Lockett was a selfish player in any way, but I think Kupp does more for the team. I doubt anyone disagrees, but this is dot net, after all.

 

[Jase]

Tyler Lockett has 52 yards in 6 games.

Yeah, but the Cardinal's defense kicking him a TD is priceless.