Is it Just me? or this Harvin talk really annoying

[scutterhawk]

if they dropped the "back" would that make you feel better?

and really your points 3 and 4 are quite ridiculous.... point 2 is speculation at best

carry on though

Points 3 and 4 are ridiculous? How many snaps has he taken as a Seahawk? How do you know how well he will fit in?

Okay, I only have PC, JS, and Bevels hype to go by, and the fact that they gave up our first rounder for him, should tell you that they kind of have an idea how he's going to work out for their schemes.
BUT, let's just pretend for a moment, and never mind the doubts of his fit with this team, because Harvin has game breaking speed ,and skills that, if he's healthy, and reverts back to playing like he did for Minny, then it really has no bearing on which team he is playing for.
JS & PC have made some goofed up moves for players that they thought MIGHT turn out to be really good ballers, but with Rice, Tarvaris Jackson, and a few others, they had a lot more info, and game tape, for them to make the move to bring them on board.
I just believe that they have seen and heard enough about Harvin to believe he can be a big factor in helping us to win more games.
Better yet, think of it this way.......... BEASTMODE?

 

[scutterhawk]

We are 8-1 without him.. Who is saying he is our savior, savior from what exactly?

I wouldn't use the word "Savior" at all, but I would say that Harvin just might be the one to put us over the top.
He may help alleviate the pressure on Wilson and the rest of the Receivers, Running Backs, & Tight Ends, just by being on the field.
PLUS, he just might help the Seahawks run the score up on our opponents, and give our Defense some time for some side line rest, by maybe hedging more first downs.

 

[RiverDog]

Is anyone fed up with this "once they get Percy Harvin back"

Coming "back" to what? The only Harvin we know is the one that played for the Vikings. he hasn't played for Seattle yet, and we don't know what he is going to bring, or how he will fit into the system. Okung and Breno, we know what they bring. We don't know anything about this guy other than

1) what he did in Minnesota
2) He is hurt, and probably more than we think.
3) We don't have a clue how he will fit with this offense or if he will be a cancer like he was in Minny
4) THE MEDIA IS MAKING HIM OUT TO BE THE SAVIOR AND ANSWER AND FINAL PIECE OF THE PUZZLE and this is while taking points 1,2, and 3 into consideration


I work for a lawyer, so Im used to being meticulous with words, and bringing him "back" to me seems like an oxymoron.


HE HASNT PLAYED HERE YET!!!!!!


I don't know, maybe its just me, but its very irritating.

It's not just you, but it is a minority. Most of the 12th man nation drinks the company Kool Aid with no questions asked. I wouldn't call the talk "irritating". More like naïve or overly optimistic.

I wouldn't be surprised if a number of different outcomes occur in the Harvin saga. He could never see the playing field, he could play a couple of games then get pizzed at our coaches/quarterback, or he could go nuts and end up leading us to a Lombardi.

Considering what we gave up in terms of draft capital, the contract we signed this guy to, and all the baggage he brings with him, this is by far the biggest gamble Pete has taken since he was hired. It has the potential for a huge, MVP type Lombardi trophy upside and the potential for a franchise busting downside. I like the gamble, I just wish it wasn't with this character.

 

[UK_Seahawk]

My friend is a Vikings fan, he still weeps that they let him go.

 

[capncrunch]

It doesn't surprise me at all that there is so much talk about PH's return to playing football. He is one of the most exciting players in the league. How long is your list of guys that would be more effective returning kickoffs? Let's see, Hester, ummm. Pretty short list. Obviously we just lost our number one receiver and he is a receiver that " From 2009-2012, he was second in the NFL in YAC to Wes Welker. " See http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/228212171.html
One of the things they mention is that Ponder and other Vikes qbs have thrown more pics because they have to throw downfield more without PH. We've all been talking about how RW needs to get the ball out quickly for shorter routes. That's what PH does. I think Bevell will figure out how to use him pretty fast. I'm glad we are having the kind of season that allows Pete not to rush him in. I look forward to hearing more about PH in the near future.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

He's going to make the Hawks a better team, nothing is annoying about that. But hey, if you don't like people talking about something that will help the team win, have at it.

 

[RichNhansom]

Seems many in here read way deeper into the OP's post than I did. The part that jumped out at me was the "when they get him back" comments we so often hear. When I hear it I always think how are we getting him back, he has never been here. Some pointed out that he is coming back from injury and maybe that is the way they hear it when it is said. For me I always hear it as it we were better with him before which obviously isn't the case.

I am excited for getting him on the field and factoring in he could be returning around the same time that we should be getting Breno and Okung back, it does get me amped up for the possibilities specially when you consider how we have played the last couple of games. Right now we look like we could realy use an infusion of talent to keep this thing rolling. Hopefully we can get back on track the next couple of games while we are waiting. It sure would be nice to beat the teams we look like we should beat and that would put us at 10-1 going into the bye and hopefully be as healthy as we are going to get facing NO and the 9ers the following two weeks.

 

[SouthSoundHawk]

 

[loafoftatupu]

The Harvin hype is not without warrant. We didn't get a WR that has to spend an offseason getting in synch with the QB, we got a guy that produces immediately with the ball in his hands.

Yes, as time goes by he will develop a rapport, but there is no question of the impact that he can have on a game. Few players with 4 years of experience can fill a highlight reel like Percy can. Teams have to account for him, rather than the system because he brings chaos to defenses.

There is no doubt in my mind that Harvin will be involved before the season ends, I expect him back no later than the Niners game. He might not take over a game, but the threat of Harvin is going to be the real reward for this team. Even if he doesn't play a down this season, knowing he is a part of this team is a huge bonus for Hawk fans.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Him on one side, Tate on the other, Beast in the backfield, the threat of RW running, etc. Pick your poison.

 

[RiverDog]

The Harvin hype is not without warrant. We didn't get a WR that has to spend an offseason getting in synch with the QB, we got a guy that produces immediately with the ball in his hands.

Yes, as time goes by he will develop a rapport, but there is no question of the impact that he can have on a game. Few players with 4 years of experience can fill a highlight reel like Percy can. Teams have to account for him, rather than the system because he brings chaos to defenses.

There is no doubt in my mind that Harvin will be involved before the season ends, I expect him back no later than the Niners game. He might not take over a game, but the threat of Harvin is going to be the real reward for this team. Even if he doesn't play a down this season, knowing he is a part of this team is a huge bonus for Hawk fans.

Wow. The Niners game. Expectations have gone from the Rams game on Oct 28th to the Niners game on Dec. 8th and we're still thinking of Harvin as "a huge bonus". That's the point the OP is making. Harvin hasn't played a down for us, preseason or otherwise, and it's going to be over a year since he's even set foot on the playing field and in the mean time, he has been hampered by two completely independent injuries that he has yet to overcome, not to mention the personal baggage the guy brings with him. To make the assumption that he will "produce immediately" unaffected by his two injuries and his playing for a different team is very optimistic to say the least.

Don't hold your breath, guys. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they shut him down for the remainder of the season without him touching the ball once during a game.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

If you aren't excited about the potential of Harvin just go watch some of his footage; it's all over the internet. He can hit a gear that few NFL players have and he hits it quickly. And yes, it is just potential for the moment until we see how healthy he is, but this is a forum that gets excited about the potential in guys like Kearse and Lockette. I haven't seen you post anything complaining about that.

Took long enough but it looks like Kearse just MIGHT pan out. Harvin isn't Kearse, last year even with his injury Football Outsiders rated him at least among the top 5 WR's in the NFL iirc. The guy is in the elite category end of story.

 

[volsunghawk]

The Harvin hype is not without warrant. We didn't get a WR that has to spend an offseason getting in synch with the QB, we got a guy that produces immediately with the ball in his hands.

Yes, as time goes by he will develop a rapport, but there is no question of the impact that he can have on a game. Few players with 4 years of experience can fill a highlight reel like Percy can. Teams have to account for him, rather than the system because he brings chaos to defenses.

There is no doubt in my mind that Harvin will be involved before the season ends, I expect him back no later than the Niners game. He might not take over a game, but the threat of Harvin is going to be the real reward for this team. Even if he doesn't play a down this season, knowing he is a part of this team is a huge bonus for Hawk fans.

Wow. The Niners game. Expectations have gone from the Rams game on Oct 28th to the Niners game on Dec. 8th and we're still thinking of Harvin as "a huge bonus". That's the point the OP is making. Harvin hasn't played a down for us, preseason or otherwise, and it's going to be over a year since he's even set foot on the playing field and in the mean time, he has been hampered by two completely independent injuries that he has to overcome. To make the assumption that he will "produce immediately" is very optimistic to say the least.

Don't hold your breath, guys. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they shut him down for the remainder of the season without him touching the ball once during a game.

Those Rams game expectations were completely media/fanbase-driven. At no point has the FO or coaching staff suggested that Harvin is ready to be put in a game.

You might not be surprised if Harvin is shut down for the remainder of the season, but every post of yours regarding Harvin has been negative, so that's to be expected. That Harvin has been able to rehab and start participating in practices (though in a limited capacity) this soon after his surgery indicates that he's ahead of schedule in his recovery (based on initial estimates when he had his surgery done... not the ridiculous hyperventilations we've seen more recently). So I personally would be surprised if he's shut down for the rest of the season... even more surprised than I would be if he breaks 100 all-purpose yards in his first game back.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

The Harvin hype is not without warrant. We didn't get a WR that has to spend an offseason getting in synch with the QB, we got a guy that produces immediately with the ball in his hands.

Yes, as time goes by he will develop a rapport, but there is no question of the impact that he can have on a game. Few players with 4 years of experience can fill a highlight reel like Percy can. Teams have to account for him, rather than the system because he brings chaos to defenses.

There is no doubt in my mind that Harvin will be involved before the season ends, I expect him back no later than the Niners game. He might not take over a game, but the threat of Harvin is going to be the real reward for this team. Even if he doesn't play a down this season, knowing he is a part of this team is a huge bonus for Hawk fans.

Wow. The Niners game. Expectations have gone from the Rams game on Oct 28th to the Niners game on Dec. 8th and we're still thinking of Harvin as "a huge bonus". That's the point the OP is making. Harvin hasn't played a down for us, preseason or otherwise, and it's going to be over a year since he's even set foot on the playing field and in the mean time, he has been hampered by two completely independent injuries that he has yet to overcome, not to mention the personal baggage the guy brings with him. To make the assumption that he will "produce immediately" unaffected by his two injuries and his playing for a different team is very optimistic to say the least.

Don't hold your breath, guys. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they shut him down for the remainder of the season without him touching the ball once during a game.

That was his expectation the actual baseline is New Orleans with MAYBE Minnesota in the mix.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

If you aren't excited about the potential of Harvin just go watch some of his footage; it's all over the internet. He can hit a gear that few NFL players have and he hits it quickly. And yes, it is just potential for the moment until we see how healthy he is, but this is a forum that gets excited about the potential in guys like Kearse and Lockette. I haven't seen you post anything complaining about that.

Took long enough but it looks like Kearse just MIGHT pan out. Harvin isn't Kearse, last year even with his injury Football Outsiders rated at least among the top 5 WR's in the NFL iirc.

 

[RiverDog]

The Harvin hype is not without warrant. We didn't get a WR that has to spend an offseason getting in synch with the QB, we got a guy that produces immediately with the ball in his hands.

Yes, as time goes by he will develop a rapport, but there is no question of the impact that he can have on a game. Few players with 4 years of experience can fill a highlight reel like Percy can. Teams have to account for him, rather than the system because he brings chaos to defenses.

There is no doubt in my mind that Harvin will be involved before the season ends, I expect him back no later than the Niners game. He might not take over a game, but the threat of Harvin is going to be the real reward for this team. Even if he doesn't play a down this season, knowing he is a part of this team is a huge bonus for Hawk fans.

Wow. The Niners game. Expectations have gone from the Rams game on Oct 28th to the Niners game on Dec. 8th and we're still thinking of Harvin as "a huge bonus". That's the point the OP is making. Harvin hasn't played a down for us, preseason or otherwise, and it's going to be over a year since he's even set foot on the playing field and in the mean time, he has been hampered by two completely independent injuries that he has to overcome. To make the assumption that he will "produce immediately" is very optimistic to say the least.

Don't hold your breath, guys. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they shut him down for the remainder of the season without him touching the ball once during a game.

Those Rams game expectations were completely media/fanbase-driven. At no point has the FO or coaching staff suggested that Harvin is ready to be put in a game.
You might not be surprised if Harvin is shut down for the remainder of the season, but every post of yours regarding Harvin has been negative, so that's to be expected. That Harvin has been able to rehab and start participating in practices (though in a limited capacity) this soon after his surgery indicates that he's ahead of schedule in his recovery (based on initial estimates when he had his surgery done... not the ridiculous hyperventilations we've seen more recently). So I personally would be surprised if he's shut down for the rest of the season... even more surprised than I would be if he breaks 100 all-purpose yards in his first game back.

I agree. Those expectations were entirely unrealistic. The point is that it's also unrealistic to expect Harvin to step right in and produce immediately given all that's transpired in the past 12 months.

Call me negative if you like. I view it as lowering my expectations so I don't experience a huge let down if the worst case scenario with this guy unfolds. Hopefully you guys are right about him. I'd gladly spend my time wearing a dunce cap as long as it comes with a Lombardi.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

I do think there is a realistic and achievable middle ground in the situation RiverDog...you agree about that don't you?

 

[volsunghawk]

Wow. The Niners game. Expectations have gone from the Rams game on Oct 28th to the Niners game on Dec. 8th and we're still thinking of Harvin as "a huge bonus". That's the point the OP is making. Harvin hasn't played a down for us, preseason or otherwise, and it's going to be over a year since he's even set foot on the playing field and in the mean time, he has been hampered by two completely independent injuries that he has to overcome. To make the assumption that he will "produce immediately" is very optimistic to say the least.

Don't hold your breath, guys. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they shut him down for the remainder of the season without him touching the ball once during a game.

Those Rams game expectations were completely media/fanbase-driven. At no point has the FO or coaching staff suggested that Harvin is ready to be put in a game.
You might not be surprised if Harvin is shut down for the remainder of the season, but every post of yours regarding Harvin has been negative, so that's to be expected. That Harvin has been able to rehab and start participating in practices (though in a limited capacity) this soon after his surgery indicates that he's ahead of schedule in his recovery (based on initial estimates when he had his surgery done... not the ridiculous hyperventilations we've seen more recently). So I personally would be surprised if he's shut down for the rest of the season... even more surprised than I would be if he breaks 100 all-purpose yards in his first game back.

I agree. Those expectations were entirely unrealistic. The point is that it's also unrealistic to expect Harvin to step right in and produce immediately given all that's transpired in the past 12 months.

Call me negative if you like. I view it as lowering my expectations so I don't experience a huge let down if the worst case scenario with this guy unfolds. Hopefully you guys are right about him. I'd gladly spend my time wearing a dunce cap as long as it comes with a Lombardi.

The shoe. It fits. Your posts aren't just about how he'll perform post-surgery... they tend to be laden with every single aspersion cast at Harvin (injury-prone, team cancer, diva, etc.). What I find bizarre about those who are already crapping all over Harvin is that they believe his issues with his previous coaching staff will obviously carry over and that he's already trying to screw the Seahawks over, yet they refuse to believe that any of his previous production can carry over. As if the ONLY thing we traded for was the headache and none of the talent that went with it in Minnesota.

I think Harvin very well may produce immediately, though I also think there's a lot of room for discussion of HOW MUCH he will produce. I don't think he'll be close to some of the expectations that some folks have for him, but I think his presence will help open things up for the entire offense even if his own numbers aren't huge.

 

[Uncle Si]

The Harvin hype is not without warrant. We didn't get a WR that has to spend an offseason getting in synch with the QB, we got a guy that produces immediately with the ball in his hands.

Yes, as time goes by he will develop a rapport, but there is no question of the impact that he can have on a game. Few players with 4 years of experience can fill a highlight reel like Percy can. Teams have to account for him, rather than the system because he brings chaos to defenses.

There is no doubt in my mind that Harvin will be involved before the season ends, I expect him back no later than the Niners game. He might not take over a game, but the threat of Harvin is going to be the real reward for this team. Even if he doesn't play a down this season, knowing he is a part of this team is a huge bonus for Hawk fans.

Wow. The Niners game. Expectations have gone from the Rams game on Oct 28th to the Niners game on Dec. 8th and we're still thinking of Harvin as "a huge bonus". That's the point the OP is making. Harvin hasn't played a down for us, preseason or otherwise, and it's going to be over a year since he's even set foot on the playing field and in the mean time, he has been hampered by two completely independent injuries that he has to overcome. To make the assumption that he will "produce immediately" is very optimistic to say the least.

Don't hold your breath, guys. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they shut him down for the remainder of the season without him touching the ball once during a game.

Those Rams game expectations were completely media/fanbase-driven. At no point has the FO or coaching staff suggested that Harvin is ready to be put in a game.
You might not be surprised if Harvin is shut down for the remainder of the season, but every post of yours regarding Harvin has been negative, so that's to be expected. That Harvin has been able to rehab and start participating in practices (though in a limited capacity) this soon after his surgery indicates that he's ahead of schedule in his recovery (based on initial estimates when he had his surgery done... not the ridiculous hyperventilations we've seen more recently). So I personally would be surprised if he's shut down for the rest of the season... even more surprised than I would be if he breaks 100 all-purpose yards in his first game back.

I agree. Those expectations were entirely unrealistic. The point is that it's also unrealistic to expect Harvin to step right in and produce immediately given all that's transpired in the past 12 months.

Call me negative if you like. I view it as lowering my expectations so I don't experience a huge let down if the worst case scenario with this guy unfolds. Hopefully you guys are right about him. I'd gladly spend my time wearing a dunce cap as long as it comes with a Lombardi.

i dont mind basing a premise of lowering expectations on what youve listed. I think even the most optimistic fan shares similar concerns.

The OP's rationale, however, was far more speculative and assumptive. to me that was the difference.

I dont think anyone can doubt what he is capable of adding to this team. one can easily doubt if he will fit enough this year to add that dimension.

 

[ZorntoLargent]

Bring him back.......... wasn't he in training camp?