How safe is JS with new ownership?

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Asking AI how long a new NFL owner waits to fire the inherited GM...

"New NFL owners most commonly fire an inherited General Manager immediately or after one season."
Let’s look at the sales that took place over the last 16 years.

TLDR - No other team that underwent a sale had nearly the level of success before the sale that the Seahawks have had. Subsequent to the sale, the Broncos turned it around, and their GM remains on staff, 6 seasons later. While most GM's appear to make it about 2 seasons after the sale, this is highly affected by lack of team success following the sale. Schneider is the best and strongest GM going into a sale, and unless the team absolutely tanks he isn't going anywhere. Even Paton, in Denver, was given a good leash to fix the mistakes of the past.


July, 2023 Commanders - GM Martin Mayhew (fired 1 season after sale) served as advisor to Head Coach Ron Rivera, who had final say. In the two seasons before the sale they had 7 and 8 wins. In the season after the sale, they had 4 wins (with Sam Howell the starter). Rivera was fired and Mayhew replaced in January of 2024. The Redskins had a 12-5 season in their first year under new GM Adam Peters, and HC Dan Quinn.

August, 2022 Broncos - GM George Paton (Still GM 5 seasons later) was signed to the GM position the year prior to the sale, in January of 2021. That season, the team amassed 7 wins, under Vic Fangio. Fangio was fired, and was replaced by Nathaniel Hackett 8 months prior to the sale. 5 months before the sale, Russell Wilson was acquired in a blockbuster trade. In the first season under new ownership, the Broncos won 5 games. Much of the blame was placed on Hackett, which likely saved Paton's job. The next season, under Sean Peyton, they improved to 8 wins. The Walton's faith in Paton and Peyton paid off, as the Broncos dug out from under the weight of the Russell Wilson trade, and constructed a top five roster in the league. In May of this year, Paton was rewarded with a five-year extension.

July, 2018 Panthers - GM Marty Hurney (Fired 2.5 seasons after sale) was brought on as interim GM in July of 2017, and named fulltime GM in February of 2018. After garnering 11 wins in the 2017 season, the Panthers had dismal 7 and 5 win seasons, and were part way through another 5 win season, in 2020, when Hurney was fired. They continue to be mired in misery.

October, 2014 Bills - GM Doug Whaley (fired 3 seasons after sale) was promoted to the GM Position in May of 2013. In his only season before the sale, they won 5 games. Following the sale, the Bills had 9, 8, and 7 win seasons. Despite being signed to an extension in January of 2016, Whaley was let go in April of 2017.

August, 2012 Browns - GM Tom Heckert Jr. (Fired 4 months after sale) was named to the position in January of 2010. The team had 5 and 4 win totals in the two seasons preceding the sale. Heckert was fired in December or 2012, as the Browns were on their way to another 5-win season. Not that it did them any good, but then again, we ARE talking about the hapless Browns here.

August, 2010 Rams - Stan Kroenke bought the remaining 61% of the shares to become the sole owner of the team. GM Billy Devaney (fired 2 seasons after "sale") had been GM since December of 2008, and his teams had win totals of 2, 1 before the sale, and 7, and 2 afterwards. He was fired following the 2011 season.
 

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Not untrue - but there is a flip side to this - you don't amass a fortune large enough to buy an NFL franchise by being a complete moron - and only a moron would dump JS at this point.
It would be moronic. My concern would be more the new owner making Schneider unhappy by micromanaging things, rather than firing him and giving the job to his pool guy.
 

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9.6 billion is highest ever for an nfl team, in part, because Seahawks are current Champions. Khoslas didn't become wealthy last year. They could have jumped at majority ownership previously. Commanders were sold 3 years ago for 6B. My point is here that they paid for the Organization, the entire team. They didn't buy the player roster, or VMAC...they bought the SuperBowl Champions: Seattle Seahawks. Assuming the new owners want to win football championships, why would they de-construct a championship team? If they wanted to build a championship team, they could have bid on the Commanders a few years ago. They bought a winner so they didn't need to build it.

Hopefully they do provide some new advantages (Hawkblogger talked about their ability to bring in more advanced technological resources) but there is no reality where a smart person buys a Rolls Royce and immediately re-builds the engine. If that's the mentality, just buy a junker and fix it up.

To be completely honest, I really believe a huge motivation for Jody to wait until a championship season was to ensure a new owner didnt walk in and undo the team culture and, therefore, Paul's legacy.

Additionally, JS has built 2 separate Championship teams: 2 different rosters, 2 different coaches. Doing it again, with different owners, has never been done. It would leave him alone atop the pyramid of greatest nfl executives. In that scenario, the only reasonable conclusion would be that he is the single thread that connected each of those championships. Khoslas are pitching him that vision right now. ...if they're smart...and they are.
 

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It would be moronic. My concern would be more the new owner making Schneider unhappy by micromanaging things, rather than firing him and giving the job to his pool guy.
exactly this. Schneider is set for life at this point, and doesn't need to stay in a job he isn't happy in. Not to mention he could have his pick of jobs in the league and take a good chunk of staff with him. Hopefully the new ownership is smart enough to stay hands off while they learn the business.
 
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JS has stepped into the danger zone. If Charbs just healed at a normal pace instead of trying to come back faster, we might have been able to save our GM from the $$$ tornado that's about to piledrive our franchise and our franchise's children.
 

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:poop: post. We just spent 10 Billion on a winning franchise with an Executive of the Year, let's replace him!

31 other franchises: "Hello! Can we talk to John Schneider?"

31 other franchises when Philadelphia fired Andy Reid: "Hello, can we talk to Andy Reid please?"
 

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Usually when a NFL team is sold it’s an under performing team not one that just won a Super Bowl. The situation reminds me of when the Cowboys fired Jimmy Johnson and replaced him with Barry Switzer keeping all the same assistant coaches Switzer was asked about it he felt he had the easiest job in the NFL just keep everything status quo and win another Super Bowl
 

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JS can choose to stay as long as he'd like as far as everyone's concerned. New owners would be run out of town if they tinkered there. Maybe they can focus on uni changes or stadium updates for now....we all good elsewhere.
 

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It would be moronic. My concern would be more the new owner making Schneider unhappy by micromanaging things, rather than firing him and giving the job to his pool guy.
The old "we won't fire you. We'll just make life so miserable for you that you'll want to quit" philosophy. :LOL:
 

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Asking AI how long a new NFL owner waits to fire the inherited GM...

"New NFL owners most commonly fire an inherited General Manager immediately or after one season."
Yeah, take a really successful GM that helped to structure and build team that is producing great results... and can him?
That would be an unintelligible move, as really savvy GM's are damned hard to find...Just take a look around the League.
I believe that the new owners are going to bring in some of their own people alright, and I also believe that these newbies will STUDY Schneider and learn from one of the best.
 

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Asking AI how long a new NFL owner waits to fire the inherited GM...

"New NFL owners most commonly fire an inherited General Manager immediately or after one season."
New owner usually inherit a team that has been losing for some time and who's fans have abandoned the team as well. This is a stand alone situation and has never happened before. You can't use old logic or history here.
 

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Yeah, take a really successful GM that helped to structure and build team that is producing great results... and can him?
That would be an unintelligible move, as really savvy GM's are damned hard to find...Just take a look around the League.
I believe that the new owners are going to bring in some of their own people alright, and I also believe that these newbies will STUDY Schneider and learn from one of the best.
Neal will have some title that sounds authoritive, I would imagine he is going to be in everyones space at some point learning both marketing, business and the talent and contract part of the buisness, huge learning curve for him. I don't see rash moves till at least next year, probably not a lot after that. They seem very Allen like, not a lot of information leaked, not a lot of face time in the media or statements that can be misquoted or mischaracterized.
 

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Fact: NFL senior researcher Dante Koplowitz-Fleming shared a staggering statistic: Schneider is the first GM ever to reach multiple Super Bowls with the same franchise while featuring a completely new head coach and an entirely new roster.

Observation: John is likely on his way to adding to his firsts with a completely new ownership group.
 
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I have no personal knowledge of the ownership family but I would think they are not idiots and since they accumulated their wealth with good decisions, I would also think the good and wise decision is to let the current football operations personnel, continue with no interruptions of what they have since established cause they just proved they know what they are doing.

Overall assessment and prediction of Schneider: SAFE to VERY SAFE
 

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I thought it was Vinod Khosla who is running the show now, It could be a lady.

And to be fair, it's pretty crazy to ask a person to buy something for $10 billion and say "Don't touch it".
its 100% wife, not it could be. Its stated in the letter to the NFL
 

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At the top, and here to stay!

JS is highly regarded in the NFL. New owners have a top GM and Coach. Roster loaded with talented players - and young. Just one a Super Bowl after a 14-3 season atop the best division in football.

WHY would want to make major changes right away? Foolish. Stand back, be strong and supportive and go get another Lombardi.
This. And since PC left he’s dominated. Zero concerns about JS. And if he’s gone, I may have to dig out my Rick Mirer jersey. It would be asinine for JS to be gone. I’m hoping they give him more “power” whatever that is.
 

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exactly this. Schneider is set for life at this point, and doesn't need to stay in a job he isn't happy in. Not to mention he could have his pick of jobs in the league and take a good chunk of staff with him. Hopefully the new ownership is smart enough to stay hands off while they learn the business.
I love this. Dude is awesome (JS I mean, but Torc you hold your own). Guy is a sweater, drinker, type A, and focused dude that is a HUMAN BEING with a passion and drive to win and say “I told you so”. He doesn’t necessarily need the Hawks as opposed to the vice versa. I’m hopeful the new ownership says “do your thing” and treats him in the owner’s box to whatever he wants. At this point JS can name his job.
 

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Been reading as much as I can find on the new owners. Vinod appears to have a similar mantra to Paul Allen...hire talent at the top and support them with what they need. I also saw (didn't read it, but I assume it's accurate) that when asked about meddling in businesses he's bought, Vidod said (paraphrased):

"If I'm investing/buying a business, its because I've done my due diligence of their leaders already and have confidence they can run it effectively. Otherwise, I wouldn't have put my $$ into it."

IMO, unless JS shats himself, our ownership will be as similar to PA as we could have hoped for. Only time will tell if that POV is correct.

No stress, no drama...Go Hawks!!!!!
 
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