Harvins hip flared up-seeing doctor.

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KCHawkGirl":3tsuqrij said:
So the upshot is that we won't know anything definitive before Monday probably at game time?

I mean we don't "know" anything, but given how positive/optimistic Pete tends to be, it's super unlikely for Harvin to play.

If Harvin does play this game I'll be fairly convinced that Pete was deliberately sandbagging with this "doubtful" designation to throw the Saints off.
 

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I do. He is a great player. One that we just might need.

Psssst... lemme let you in on something.... psssst... we havent won the superbowl yet and we just might need Harvin to crank out a big play or two.

Hey man, by all means drive yourself nuts stressing about it, i'm personally going to kick back and enjoy watching the game with the offense we've been fielding for the last two seasons, who by the way are 21-6 as of last season, and undefeated at home.
 

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hawker84":3j0gr1h6 said:
I do. He is a great player. One that we just might need.

Psssst... lemme let you in on something.... psssst... we havent won the superbowl yet and we just might need Harvin to crank out a big play or two.

Hey man, by all means drive yourself nuts stressing about it, i'm personally going to kick back and enjoy watching the game with the offense we've been fielding for the last two seasons, who by the way are 21-6 as of last season, and undefeated at home.

Well said!
 

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Largent80":1ocd28xt said:
So his hip flared up, are we supposed to commit suicide?

Once again....Relax.

There is more drama here than on One Life to Live.
Yep. I blame Facebook!
 

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Tech Worlds":1ywe14a9 said:
I wouldn't use the word we. There are a few in this thread that feel very strongly that it is their job to sanctimoniously mock those that have reacted emotionally.

The emotion is fine. Emotion is part of what makes the 12thman great. It's the stupid that bugs people. Some people can't be emotional without flipping into stupid mode, but they are separate things.
 

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kearly":14ttw4pr said:
The emotion is fine. Emotion is part of what makes the 12thman great. It's the stupid that bugs people. Some people can't be emotional without flipping into stupid mode, but they are separate things.

This is 100% correct.
 

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kearly":1j8ci8ib said:
Tech Worlds":1j8ci8ib said:
I wouldn't use the word we. There are a few in this thread that feel very strongly that it is their job to sanctimoniously mock those that have reacted emotionally.

The emotion is fine. Emotion is part of what makes the 12thman great. It's the stupid that bugs people. Some people can't be emotional without flipping into stupid mode, but they are separate things.
BINGfreakin'O!
 

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MidwestHawker":x2hydueh said:
KCHawkGirl":x2hydueh said:
So the upshot is that we won't know anything definitive before Monday probably at game time?

I mean we don't "know" anything, but given how positive/optimistic Pete tends to be, it's super unlikely for Harvin to play.

If Harvin does play this game I'll be fairly convinced that Pete was deliberately osandbagging with this "doubtful" designation to throw the Saints off.
I am leaning toward this not being a ploy but the Seahawks being super cautious and playing it safe in exchange of havin. him ready for the playoffs completely healthy.
 
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hawker84":3cvc4sp2 said:
I do. He is a great player. One that we just might need.

Psssst... lemme let you in on something.... psssst... we havent won the superbowl yet and we just might need Harvin to crank out a big play or two.

Hey man, by all means drive yourself nuts stressing about it, i'm personally going to kick back and enjoy watching the game with the offense we've been fielding for the last two seasons, who by the way are 21-6 as of last season, and undefeated at home.

Yep you got me. I am just going absolutely nuts over this. You are probably seeing me thru my web cam right now. You nailed it. :roll:

I am pissed and disappointed. I been expecting to see this dude all year. I been anticipating his effect on our offense. Do I think this is the end of the world? Hell no. I still think we will be favored to win all our games, Harvin or not. But again, I would feel better with him.

Knock yourself out by being Mr. Superfan Calm Guy.
 

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I think our db challenges are greater than Harvin getting rested for a few weeks. This does sound like a resting issue rather than something season ending imo. Tate will pop up, again, on Monday and make us all feel much better.
 

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RiverDog":2ia90qry said:
beasthawk":2ia90qry said:
Oh, and for goodness sakes, this is not a "smoke screen" by PC, has he ever put out a smoke screen like this?! Seriously name one time when he mislead us to believe anything that was not truthful...

How about when he said "We're going to build around Tavaris" two years ago after we beat the Eagles? Or how about the 3 way quarterback competition between Russell, Flynn, and TJack in the 2011 training camp?

You try to call me out, but those are all things that Pete never could possibly have known... You call people out and highlight they're comments in red, maybe do so more humbly as a newcomer and show some respect to veteran posters... Not sure if your one of "those" posters or a keen guy.
 

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Well this kinda sucks, we've had issues with our passing game this year so It would have been great to have not only making big plays himself but maybe open up other guys a bit more then they have been
 

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chris98251":10jr0bkc said:
Having had 8 joint surgerys of different degrees I can tell you that it can feel much better until you field test it under duress, shoulder, wrists and elbows for me, once used normally in a function that loads it it gets sore and can swell as the scar tissue and surgical site gets stressed. Resting it and then repeating the re hab exercises going forward until the surgical site accepts the wear and tear your going to subject it to takes time. Also everyones body heals differently and reacts different. If he didn't incur additional damage and it's a reaction to the stress of a real game then he may have a set back for a couple weeks. He has to re establish motion and flexibility as well as reduce inflammation of the surgical site flaring up to protect itself. He may have a fluid build up also which puts pressure on things. Till we know for sure we can only wait. But it's not abnormal for this stuff to happen.

Excellent insight and I agree. Here's something else that I wonder might not be going on with Percy Harvin. That is, I wonder if he might perhaps also be dealing with the myth that he's going to be 100% fixed up, good as new. In listening to some of his comments prior to the surgery, those appeared to be the kind of sentiments I was hearing from him. This past summer, I was listening to an ex-baseball player (I can't remember who exactly, but what he said really struck a cord). He said that he'd had surgery and was incredibly frustrated because no matter how hard he worked, things just never felt completely right. He didn't feel like himself at all. One day, he was talking with a sage veteran player who told him, "You're never going to be 100% "normal" ever again. You've got to find a NEW 100% normal." He said that conversation right there saved his career because before that, he was seriously considering retiring. I can relate somewhat.

In 1997, I broke the head of the radius in my right elbow playing basketball. The orthopedic surgeon who treated me and did the surgery said he's never seen that kind of injury before, and even though he was one of the top surgeons in the region, had never done that exact surgery before. Because of the kind of break it was, he had to open up the arm and put in 3 small disolveable screws in to the bone fragments to bring them back together. He told my wife prior to the surgery (he didn't tell me) that I'd probably only ever get between 60-65% of my range of motion. I worked amazingly hard in rehab though -- absolutely killed myself. I endured my share of pain in PT, as all the ligaments, tendons, and scar tissue went through a lot of stretching in my daily exercises. Even months after the break healed, I would move my arm, feel some pain, and swear that it was still broken ... even though doctors would tell me everything was fine. In the end (and today still) I would say that I have between 90-95% of the strength and range of motion that I used to have. BUT, prior to my injury, I would say that I had a halfway decent arm and used to be able to zip a rock out across a lake quite a ways. Now after my surgery ... even, what is it, 16 years later, that extra little ooopm! that I used to have ... is gone. That extra bit of zip, isn't quite as zippy anymore and no matter how hard I've worked, I've never gotten that back. I had to find and accept a new normal for my arm. If I could talk to Harvin face to face, I would tell him that I understand how hard it is to accept this ... but the Percy Harvin you were before the surgery, is gone. You've got to find the new Percy Harvin and what's normal for him.
 

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Pandion Haliaetus":1jdnwnao said:
There is reacting emotionally, and then there is tearing a player to shreds merely because he's still rehabbing from a significant injury and the team is trying to do the right thing with a special player.

This thread would be much different if it didn't have layers and layers of poster talking unnecessary trash about a player in the most negative way they can.

And the people who are defending Harvin, aren't doing it because they aren't concerned about him, most of us, just realize some things are just out of our control and their is no need to bury player.

And some posters like myself are just fed up with the incessant trash talking and criticism of players on MY team.

Any of you can say whatever the hell you want, and I can say whatever the hell I want as well. If people want to focus on and magnify each negative aspect this team as to endure, so be it... I can criticize the posters who do so or can I not. Am I being hypocritical or something, am I being a bad fan because I'm standing up for the players that play on the team that I root for almost religiously?

There is nothing wrong with people being concerned, its just when some people take it to the most negative extreme is what bothers me.


Do you seriously believe people are down on Harvin just because he's rehabbing?
I've read some stupid ass posts in this thread, a significant number written by you. If this all "bothers" you so much, why not jump into the tub with your Percy bobblehead and a toaster?
 

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Hawkscanner":ef0x4bo1 said:
chris98251":ef0x4bo1 said:
Having had 8 joint surgerys of different degrees I can tell you that it can feel much better until you field test it under duress, shoulder, wrists and elbows for me, once used normally in a function that loads it it gets sore and can swell as the scar tissue and surgical site gets stressed. Resting it and then repeating the re hab exercises going forward until the surgical site accepts the wear and tear your going to subject it to takes time. Also everyones body heals differently and reacts different. If he didn't incur additional damage and it's a reaction to the stress of a real game then he may have a set back for a couple weeks. He has to re establish motion and flexibility as well as reduce inflammation of the surgical site flaring up to protect itself. He may have a fluid build up also which puts pressure on things. Till we know for sure we can only wait. But it's not abnormal for this stuff to happen.

Excellent insight and I agree. Here's something else that I wonder might not be going on with Percy Harvin. That is, I wonder if he might perhaps also be dealing with the myth that he's going to be 100% fixed up, good as new. In listening to some of his comments prior to the surgery, those appeared to be the kind of sentiments I was hearing from him. This past summer, I was listening to an ex-baseball player (I can't remember who exactly, but what he said really struck a cord). He said that he'd had surgery and was incredibly frustrated because no matter how hard he worked, things just never felt completely right. He didn't feel like himself at all. One day, he was talking with a sage veteran player who told him, "You're never going to be 100% "normal" ever again. You've got to find a NEW 100% normal." He said that conversation right there saved his career because before that, he was seriously considering retiring. I can relate somewhat.

In 1997, I broke the head of the radius in my right elbow playing basketball. The orthopedic surgeon who treated me and did the surgery said he's never seen that kind of injury before, and even though he was one of the top surgeons in the region, had never done that exact surgery before. Because of the kind of break it was, he had to open up the arm and put in 3 small disolveable screws in to the bone fragments to bring them back together. He told my wife prior to the surgery (he didn't tell me) that I'd probably only ever get between 60-65% of my range of motion. I worked amazingly hard in rehab though -- absolutely killed myself. I endured my share of pain in PT, as all the ligaments, tendons, and scar tissue went through a lot of stretching in my daily exercises. Even months after the break healed, I would move my arm, feel some pain, and swear that it was still broken ... even though doctors would tell me everything was fine. In the end (and today still) I would say that I have between 90-95% of the strength and range of motion that I used to have. BUT, prior to my injury, I would say that I had a halfway decent arm and used to be able to zip a rock out across a lake quite a ways. Now after my surgery ... even, what is it, 16 years later, that extra little ooopm! that I used to have ... is gone. That extra bit of zip, isn't quite as zippy anymore and no matter how hard I've worked, I've never gotten that back. I had to find and accept a new normal for my arm. If I could talk to Harvin face to face, I would tell him that I understand how hard it is to accept this ... but the Percy Harvin you were before the surgery, is gone. You've got to find the new Percy Harvin and what's normal for him.


Kam Chancellor had the same injury, and the same surgical procedure after the 2012 season. He appears 100% healthy.



But I forgot, the sky is falling.
 

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Wee-Bey":gx8d1g74 said:
But I forgot, the sky is falling.

I'm certainly not Henny Penny whatsoever. I'm simply trying to make sense out of what's ailing this guy, that's all.

As far as Harvin's impact on the Hawks is concerned ... you know, it's kind of hard to miss what you've never really had. The Seahawks come in to this game as the 2nd Overall Scoring Defense (27.8 Pts/Game) WITHOUT Harvin. With a fired up defense that's going to harass Brees all night long and the 12th Man behind them, I believe the Hawks will be just fine.
 

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Take a deeeeep breath everyone. He's still sore, so they're playing it extra careful. No sense in speculating unless further info comes from a credible source.
 
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