Golden Tate what if

[xray]

Sunday the Hawks visit the Lions...Golden Tate might have a good day because he still can't believe they let him go....can you imagine Baldwin & Tate since SB 48 ??

 

[sutz]

Tate didn't want to be here. He wanted to go somewhere where he could build up some stats.

He's happy now. :229031_shrug:

 

[massari]

Tate didn't want to be here. He wanted to go somewhere where he could build up some stats.

He's happy now. :229031_shrug:

He only left for $16M guaranteed, averaged $6.2M per season and stated he was willing to take a hometown discount.

"I didn't mean a 40 percent discount," Tate said."I'm going to earn in one year at Detroit what Seattle was going to pay me for two years. Seattle offered numbers that were laughable. I thought, 'I've given you everything and this is what you give me?'

"Considering I was there for four years, and started two of those years. I missed one game in those two years. I did everything right and wasn't a trouble maker. And what they offered, I was like, 'Is this serious?' The numbers [the Seahawks] shot at me were not first-priority, like they said they wanted to do for me to stay in Seattle."

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/1063 ... -laughable



The Seahawks chose to give up all those draft picks (1st,3rd,7th) for Percy Harvin and sign him to a ridiculous six-year, $67 million contract with $25 million of guaranteed money instead of keeping Tate.

 

[TwistedHusky]

If we had Golden Tate, we win that 2nd SB.

And literally everyone would be punching Wilson's ticket for Canton.

Losing Golden Tate was absolutely the worst decision this franchise ever made. Because it likely cost 2 SBs and at least 1 more SB win.

The worst part, it wasn't like getting Graham and finding he could not work here. We KNEW what we had in Tate and for some reason we tried to replace him with Harvin. Ugh.

This team would have gone down as a dynasty if we had only just kept him. That is how razor thin the margin is between being a great like those Dallas Cowboy teams of old, or those 49er teams - or a flash in the pan like a number of teams that made the SB one time, won it and then did very little in the playoffs after that.

 

[sutz]

Oh, so it was money, not stats?

:rofl:

Whatever. I'm certainly not going to try to justify the Haven fiasco, but using the most dishonest man in history as your spokesperson is a bit over the top.

:twisted:

 

[Seahawk_Dan]

I remember when he was on his contract year I wanted Tate to stay in Seattle so badly. He had really come into his own and was Seattle's legitimate #1 receiver with Baldwin in the slot and Kearse as the on and off number two. Fact is Pete and John didn't want to shell out the money, were hoping he'd take a pay cut/discount, and we had just gotten Harvin and the team was more invested into him than a guy they drafted and got to grow with.

 

[massari]

Schneider and Carroll threw away this generation's Hines Ward to the curb like he was nothing. Pretty crazy.

 

[LudwigsDrummer]

The FO has made a lot more good choices than bad.
Yep, sometimes they screw the pooch.

 

[Seahawk_Dan]

The FO has made a lot more good choices than bad.
Yep, sometimes they screw the pooch.

Hiring Cable
Letting Tate go
Investing over 60% of your teams cap into the defense
Investing nothing into the O-Line
Trading for Harvin
Trading for Graham
Trading a 3rd Round for Clipboard Jesus
Not getting anything for Earl when they had the chance

These are some pretty bad choices. And yes there are good but when they get a bad one they're really bad that hurt this team for years.

 

[The Breh]

The FO has made a lot more good choices than bad.
Yep, sometimes they screw the pooch.

Hiring Cable
Letting Tate go
Investing over 60% of your teams cap into the defense
Investing nothing into the O-Line
Trading for Harvin
Trading for Graham
Trading a 3rd Round for Clipboard Jesus
Not getting anything for Earl when they had the chance

These are some pretty bad choices. And yes there are good but when they get a bad one they're really bad that hurt this team for years.

I'll keep saying this as long as it applies-hindsight is a powerful weapon and all-time deceptor. It sure is nice to have it at your disposal when it suits your stance.

Before they invested 60% of their cap in the D, they had the highest paid Oline.

Rumors of Tate smashing Russ' wife-can't have those "off the field" problems given how much many praised we rid of others for those same reasons.

Harvin was a game changer. Nobody flinched when he was signed.

Nobody complained about Graham at the time either.

Who knows what Clipboard Jesus will amount to. Not here at least. He's hasn't crippled us at all.

"Trading Earl when we had the chance"...
Magic 8 balls and fortune tellers aren't trustworthy. Maybe they should have given them a shot.

Yes we loved Tate and he was great for us even in a run happy scheme of a team. He nor Doug, were/are pedestrian despite all that hoopla surrounding SB49. We knew their potential.

But go ahead and pinpoint the course of a team's change and you will find the "what if's" and "I told you's" for any team.
Carry on with your post diagnostics, I'm sure Pete nor John regret a thing.

 

[TwistedHusky]

I flinched when Harvin was signed.

Day 1 I relentlessly ripped him. And tore into him at every opportunity because he had a track record.

I ripped that guy more than I ripped Bevell. Because he was garbage and worthless and we were going to pay millions for him to drive off Tate.

We knew what we were getting with him. Migraines, fake injuries and team cancer problems.

It was clear as day how this would go down.

Pete just stupidly ignored it.

 

[The Breh]

I flinched when Harvin was signed.

Day 1 I relentlessly ripped him. And tore into him at every opportunity because he had a track record.

I ripped that guy more than I ripped Bevell. Because he was garbage and worthless and we were going to pay millions for him to drive off Tate.

We knew what we were getting with him. Migraines, fake injuries and team cancer problems.

It was clear as day how this would go down.

Pete just stupidly ignored it.

Risk vs. reward treated us just fine previously with Lynch.
What we saw in the SB was what we hoped and expected to see. We didn't get our expectations met. And that jet sweep life wore off it's lustre quickly.
A big TD machine like Graham and a quick as shit Harvin gave us hope, expectations and eventually untapped potential.
Tate gave us comfort. Sometimes the unknown is more enticing.

 

[Russ Willstrong]

Despite the rumors of infidelity, Golden and Russell were close. About as close as Doug and Sherm. Would have been good to see Wilson go to Tate at the 1yd line instead of Lockette.

 

[jammerhawk]

I truly believe if Seattle hadn’t made the galactically stupid, did I say STUPID trade, for Harvn where the team agreed to trade 2013 1st. and 7th and a 2014 3rd. rd. pick plus agreeing to pay non-performing Percy the eventual locker room cancer an extraordinary $67 million dollar deal for which the team got 7 games from the Percy; the team would still have Tate.

Just 7 freaking games, and problems with Tate which were sold to the fan base that Tate was boinking RW’s then wife, Ashton. I never believed that BS as Tate wore Hawks gear even after he got his deal with Detroit which wasn’t very special for his demonstrated performance. This trade goes down as THE WORST trade ever made by the team, and they’ve made some blockheaded trades. I can’t believe JS was truly in on this deal and it reeks of “Big Balls Pete” . Think of the the OLine Cable could have screwed up with a 1st and a 3rd and a 7th and the money of that ridiculous contract actually paid to Harvin.

The trade cost the team cap comfort, blew quality draft picks, lost Tate as both players were supposedly similar receivers, and though Tate was more like Harvin except Tate stayed healthy this dumb deal gave the team not much except for that wonderful XVIII second half kick return and a few, but very few highlight reel plays. The trade was truly a horrific waste of money, picks, and talent. Without Percy the years after XVIII might have been materially different. Thing is unfortunately they blew another 1st. plus a quality OC and another stupid cap silly contract for a TE they couldn’t figure out how to use in the injury shortened time he was here. The team got no new blood from two 1st round picks, a 3rd, a 7th, a quality sometime ProBowl quality Centre in Unger and a pantload of wasted cap.

I think Tate left b/c he got lowballed by the team and felt disrespected. If he had not been disrespected and paid fairly then kept with Baldwin and an OLine that didn’t suck b/c the team was cheaping it out the O would clearly have been better from 2014 onward.

Losing Tate was yet another mistake made by the FO in this go big or go home period. Hopefully going forward Pete won’t make this kind of dumb trade again.

 

[pmedic920]

If we had Golden Tate, we win that 2nd SB.

And literally everyone would be punching Wilson's ticket for Canton.

Losing Golden Tate was absolutely the worst decision this franchise ever made. Because it likely cost 2 SBs and at least 1 more SB win.

The worst part, it wasn't like getting Graham and finding he could not work here. We KNEW what we had in Tate and for some reason we tried to replace him with Harvin. Ugh.

This team would have gone down as a dynasty if we had only just kept him. That is how razor thin the margin is between being a great like those Dallas Cowboy teams of old, or those 49er teams - or a flash in the pan like a number of teams that made the SB one time, won it and then did very little in the playoffs after that.

Maybe if.

Maybe if we were talking football only.

We aren’t/weren’t talking only football, there was some behind the scenes/locker room stuff going on.

Lots of folks forget that aspect when looking back at the “Golden Tate” situation.

 

[pmedic920]

Despite the rumors of infidelity, Golden and Russell were close. About as close as Doug and Sherm. Would have been good to see Wilson go to Tate at the 1yd line instead of Lockette.

Curious, do you have some quotes or “news” stories to back up this statement?

Got links?

Is it possible they were close at one point in time but that relationship changed in another?

Edit:
I was on the field prior to the game when we last played the Lions @ Clink.

I paid close attention to how the Seahawk players interacted with GT.
Some received him warmly, others didn’t. Russ was in the later group.

2nd edit.
In the picture GT is speaking with Sherman’s Mother.
Bottom left corner is Marshawn’s Sister, she did not speak to GT, and he made an effort.

Doesn’t really mean much, take it for what it is.

If GT and Russ were still close, there was ZERO evidence of it that day. Least from where I was standing.

 

[TwistedHusky]

The craziest part was that Tate was literally already what we wanted Harvin to be.

He was a tremendous returner. He was amazing with YAC. He was dangerous at any position as receiver you put him.

He was difficult to tackle and he was fast. Harvin was tremendously fast, but basically built out of balsa wood and had the mental toughness of an 11 year old girl.

We literally paid more for a guy that did what someone on our team was already doing tremendously well.

It wasn't just stupid but mindblowingly stupid. Lynch is not a comparison, we needed a good RB with Lynch. He had some issues, but mostly off the field. Harvin was a guy brought in to get us a little bit better at something we already had someone doing exceptionally well. He had work ethic issues, team cancer issues, and durability issues. And his mental toughness was constantly an issue.

The risk vs reward made zero cents. Again not just stupid but mindblowingly stupid. It had a low chance of working and the reward if it did was incremental, not exceptional.

Lynch was brought in to be an effective RB when we had nothing exceptional there. He was replacing guys that would be 3rd string anywhere else. HIs issues were not production on the field related, but stuff like driving drunk (allegedly) and hitting a pedestrian in Buffalo. A risk? Sure, but not because you were worried he could produce or get along with teammates.

The comparison is ridiculous. Lynch was a good bet, even if it failed. Harvin was a stupid bet, even if it worked. And the chances of it working were so small we knew it was going to just fail and cost so much that we lost Tate in the process. That is precisely what happened.

 

[Spin Doctor]

I really didn't understand Pete Carroll, and Schneiders decision not to keep Golden Tate. He was one of the most important members of our Super Bowl run. Not only was the man a good receiver, he was also a fantastic blocker on the edge -- quite possibly the best in the NFL in that arena. Tate could also play at all wide receiver positions. He is also regarded as being one of if not the best at YAC in the NFL. He also showed that he had a knack for high pointing the ball, and boxing out receivers despite him being a smaller receiver. Tate, and Baldwin would have assured that we had one of the best WR corps in the NFL for years to come. Furthermore, Tate came at a bargain bin value for the Lions. He was also a very good return man.

How many draft picks, how many years, and how many free agents have we gone through trying to find a Golden Tate? We spent a 1st on Harvin and some change, a 1st on Jimmy Graham and our best lineman. We spent a third on Lockett, and a second on Paul Richardson. All together, trying to find our "golden tate" figure we spent:

- 2 first round picks (and Max Unger)
- 1 second round pick (Paul Richardson)
- 3 third round picks (Tyler Lockett, Darboh, Harvin)
- 1 4th (Kevin Norwood)
- 2 7th round pick (Harvin)


These players cost us: around $135 million dollars.

We essentially gave up a whole draft trying to replace Golden Tate. Thus far none of these receivers have had the same impact that Tate has had on the Lions. All of that comes to: 5 years 31 million.

Not only did we give up a good player, but we paid heavily in the opportunity costs associated with Graham, and Harvin, plus the salary we had to pay them, and their replacements. What this amounts to is essentially a whole NFL draft worth of picks that we gave away trying to find a player like Tate. Imagine the players we could have retained, or the free agents we could have signed, or what have you with that extra 100 million we spent? This one move cost the Seahawks more than they could ever know.

 

[Rat]

Tate was a perfect fit for our offense. I wish we had kept him, but I understand why we couldn't offer him as much money as other teams. Wish now that we could have the Harvin trade back, but I loved it at the time; peak Harvin without all the mental problems was a transcendent kind of player, and I find it hard to blame the front office for being enamored with his ability.

I'm glad he went to a team where he can post big numbers. That wouldn't have happened here. I'm a Michigander, and if he was going to go anywhere else, I'm happy it was Detroit.

 

[Seymour]

The FO has made a lot more good choices than bad.
Yep, sometimes they screw the pooch.

And sometimes they let the guy that screwed Russell's go also. They had no choice.