Yeah what we thought

[pittpnthrs]

Pitt,

I get where you're coming from here, but you know just as well as I do that you would've absolutely shat your pants at Pete Carroll if they'd stubbornly run into an 8 man box filled with some of the best run defenders in recent football history, got stuffed, and then lost after dramatically reducing their chances at scoring with that decision, and you would be right to be mad in that scenario.

Also, turnover rate is only slightly less for run plays. There's a heightened chance of a fumble in that type of scenario.

Getting stuffed or even losing a fumble is way easier to digest than what actually happened.

 

[seafence82]

The Pats prior to the 5 yard run
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The Patriots goal line runstop formation after subbing in more heavies
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The Patriots have an 8 on 6 advantage in the box. Every gap is covered on both the inside and outside with a linebacker waiting to fill whichever middle gap Seattle's line attempts to vacate.

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Vince Wilfork, Sealver Siliga (who, by the way, would've known Seattle's run plays as a former Seattle DT if you think passing was unforgivable due to Browner), and Alan Branch are on the line.

Siliga and Branch are at the 2i on each of Seattle's guards. They're threatening to absolutely destroy the A gap and they're both 350 pounds.

Vince Wilfork is at the 4i on Okung's inside shoulder. Vince Wilfork has that B gap. He's Vince Wilfork. Vince's 4i alignment puts pressure on Carpenter's outside as well, and he already has a 350 pound man threatening to wreck his inside.

Chris Jones, a 300 pound defensive tackle, is lined up at the 4t directly over Britt.

From there, you have star LB/EDGEs Jamie Collins and Chandler Jones absolutely smothering the C gap on the left with a helpless Luke Willson splitting them.

Rob Ninkovich, a strong off-ball linebacker, is covering the C gap on the right.

If that wasn't enough, yet another great linebacker (a prime Dont'a Hightower at 24 in his third season) is sitting at the second level, ready to further obliterate whichever gap Seattle might foolhardily attempt to go for on the ground.

There's just no good defense for running the ball here from a schematic perspective. Only with the benefit of hindsight can we say "I wish I did the illogical and nearly objectively wrong thing and lost 2 or 3 yards on an ill-advised run play."

This is a great snapshot. And Mael usually I think you are spot on, but in this topic you are so dead wrong as has been discussed and this is thought of as the worst play call in the history of sports.

I was at the game, once I saw the formation come out I buried my head because I couldn’t watch the results, I knew it was destined for trouble based on personnel. We had maybe the worst offense for a quick, middle short yardage goaline pass in the league. We needed 1 damn yard with beast. QB sneak, run the ball, rollout whatever with different personnel. We aren’t the chiefs or pats who could go 4 wide on the goaline with success.

It’s boring AF to win on a qb sneak or hb dive, and truthfully I think this interview shows many agree Bevell wanted to be seen like Reid for his offense genius and why he called this play. There is absolutely no defending this play, to call a pass yes but this play no

 

[BigMeach]

Though I don't have it in me to ever re-watch the sequence. If I recall correctly, it goes: The most insane catch by Kearse that would have gone down as the best catch of any superb owl had we won the game. Followed by a 10 or so yard run by Lynch that got us right at the goal line. The clock was running so we had to go quick, which probably gave PC zero time to interfere with the call. Did PC know ahead of time? Maybe, it's hard to really say because Pete always says it's on him.

 

[seabowl]

The likelihood is that they wouldn't have had time to score anyways. It was the right move.

I do not agree. They would’ve had 1:03 on the clock to score. It was 1:06 on the clock before the place started and being that you were on the 1 yard line the play won’t be more than three seconds. Tom Brady with one minute and three seconds on the clock still has time to score. By not taking the time out, if Seattle scored, NE would’ve had 23 seconds on the clock. Any quarterback with 23 seconds on the clock to score is a very VERY tall task.

 

[jammerhawk]

Just like in dating, it's a game of inches.

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Did you mean itches?

 

[jammerhawk]

Why Pete gave Bevell a pass after the shameful and enraging way he handled this situation was beyond reasonable understanding. Bevell deserved to be canned after that even with Pete falling on the sword.

Bevell proved without question he didn’t have the right stuff to continue as a leader on the Seahawks or ever be considered as a candidate as a head coach.

I spoke personally to Ricardo Lockette somewhat totally by accident at Kehei on Maui 2 weeks after this disastrous outcome and while he was gracious he was clearly upset about being blamed for the play failing. Even Mr. ‘Becoming More Limited‘accepted responsibility for the play failing by throwing a ball that could be picked off, but not Bevell.

I truly believe Lynch would have scored if given the ball once or twice.

 

[hawksincebirth]

Pete, Marshawn, Gavin, on Lynch's Podcast.

One exchange during the topic I found interesting was the topic of who actually made the call. Lynch's agent and podcast co-host, Doug Hendrickson, actually asked Carroll point blank if the call came from the head coach, or offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell.

Carroll responded in his usual way, by accepting responsibility.

"We did it the way we always did," Carroll stated. "There's defensive coordinators, there's offensive coordinators, they call stuff, we play the game. I'm responsible for every call that was ever made."
However, practically before Carroll could even finish speaking, Lynch jumped in to give his two-cents on the matter.

"Doug," Lynch quickly exclaimed, "if you didn't catch that, (Darrell) Bevell made the m**********n' call, and Pete didn't get to it quick enough to get out of that m**********a. That's what (Pete) told you in a nutshell."

The full, uncensored interview can be listend to here. Fair warning, it does obviously include NSFW language.

For anyone who knows Carroll, him falling on the sword is perfectly on brand and entirely unsurprising. It has been this way, especially for this situation, ever since that fateful Sunday in Glendale, Arizona.
Pete white knighting as always but actually called out and the between the lines of what he didn't say pointed out.
Read transcript posted on this link didn't listen.

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Gavin newsome hard pass

 

[keasley45]

Order of fault on that play (IMO)

1. Russ - regardless what play was called, a better throw would have at minimum, avoided an interception, if not scored a TD

2. Bevell - There were better options on that down. A different route. A run. RPO. He 'out-thunk' himself in running a play the team had rarely tried, likely thinkng it would catch the Pats by surprise. Dude was known for doing dumb shi+ like that throughout his tenure here.

3. Pete - The thing that did him in in the end was on full display on that play - NOT MEDDLING ENOUGH and trusting too much in his coordinator's judgement. Pete was unfairly criticized for conspiring in-game and behind the scenes to steer the offensive laycalling to his liking. I dont think that ever happened. In fact, THE evidence most often cited when painting Pete the meddler was his overrding a 4th down call in the redzone in 2018 or 2019 when Russ wanted to push to go for it but Pete favored the FG. The result was a delay of game. I personally think that moment was Pete trying to NOT let his OC do something he didnt agree with... again and asserting hiw authority. But it wasnt his way to just take the reigns and force a thing, hence his awkward, passive, time wasting debate in that instance that cost the team yards and i think points. Pete never developed the direct approach in mandating what he wanted, preferring to let those around him whom he entrusted to execute the plan, to do what they thought best.

Lockette? I dont think he shoulders any fault. He ran the route patiently NOT to cross too far into the middle of the field and yet, that's where Russ threw the ball. His thinking was correct, but Russ led him way too much, forcing Lock to accelerate to even reach the ball, which gave the impression he was too slow to the play.

In the end, Pete's passive approach on that day cost us a Championship and Dynasty. 9 years later, it cost him his job.

 

[MORGULON]

Where I'm from,there's a saying for what Bevell did.
He tried to get cute and ...

Trick-f*cked himself.

I don't know where it originated but it works for me at least.