Golden Tate what if

[Seahawk_Dan]

The FO has made a lot more good choices than bad.
Yep, sometimes they screw the pooch.

Hiring Cable
Letting Tate go
Investing over 60% of your teams cap into the defense
Investing nothing into the O-Line
Trading for Harvin
Trading for Graham
Trading a 3rd Round for Clipboard Jesus
Not getting anything for Earl when they had the chance

These are some pretty bad choices. And yes there are good but when they get a bad one they're really bad that hurt this team for years.

I'll keep saying this as long as it applies-hindsight is a powerful weapon and all-time deceptor. It sure is nice to have it at your disposal when it suits your stance.

Before they invested 60% of their cap in the D, they had the highest paid Oline.

Rumors of Tate smashing Russ' wife-can't have those "off the field" problems given how much many praised we rid of others for those same reasons.

Harvin was a game changer. Nobody flinched when he was signed.

Nobody complained about Graham at the time either.

Who knows what Clipboard Jesus will amount to. Not here at least. He's hasn't crippled us at all.

"Trading Earl when we had the chance"...
Magic 8 balls and fortune tellers aren't trustworthy. Maybe they should have given them a shot.

Yes we loved Tate and he was great for us even in a run happy scheme of a team. He nor Doug, were/are pedestrian despite all that hoopla surrounding SB49. We knew their potential.

But go ahead and pinpoint the course of a team's change and you will find the "what if's" and "I told you's" for any team.
Carry on with your post diagnostics, I'm sure Pete nor John regret a thing.

This has nothing to do with hindsight. Yes, in hindsight they're bad moves but you know what? They were also bad moves when it happened too.

Cable always confused me as a hire as I never thought he warranted any kind of praise or guru status when he was hired all I thought about was, "The Raiders coach that punched his assistant? That's who we hired?" Kind of a blemish on an already painfully under performing resume.

Tate's whole situation with Russ' wife was a rumor and nothing more came from that. I don't think they resigned him because of that it was because they gave a huge payday to Harvin and couldn't afford to keep Tate either and tried to get him cheap on the classic "Hometown Discount". No, this had nothing to do with morals it was just a stupid move by the front office and at the time Seahawk fans wanted Tate to come back because he was a weapon.

You know you're right about the O-Line, at one point it was the highest paid line so they blew it up to start anew. Now that's not bad in and of itself but you know what is bad? Trying to paste it back together with shoe string and cardboard. Which is what Pete and John did for nearly five years because the guru that is Cable can turn "anyone" into a linemen. During that tenure the line has rotated out of more players than there are actors who played Doctor Who in forty years.

FYI I did flinch when Harvin was signed. For what we gave up for him and he was coming off a major injury? How does that not ring alarm bells into your head? Not to mention, as it's been stated already, we already had Tate, we had players that did their jobs and did them well.

I admit that I was excited for Graham when it was first announced but giving up Unger and a first made me roll my eyes. At that point our line was already spotty and we just went ahead and got rid of our best remaining linemen and quality center. Once again sacrificing the O-Line for either weapons we don't need or inflating a defense budget we could never maintain.

Clipboard Jesus was bad pick up at the time. Were you here on this board when it happened? People were melting down at the prospect of giving a third round pick for a backup who didn't prove crap in the league. Nothing. Zero. As for what he will amount too? There's nothing left for him, Charlie Whitehurst has been in the league for 10+ years and has nothing to say to his career, so I guess you can say he amounted to nothing in a football sense. And at the time we picked him up he wasn't anything special either. It was a dumb move. Period.

And yes, trade Earl when they had the chance. It was being floated before the draft, after the draft, and during the season! Seattle wanted to trade him. It had nothing, absolutely nothing, about giving him a shot or a chance. The Seahawks wanted at least a 1st for him or a 2nd and some change if reports were to be believed. The Chiefs and Cowboys were the strongest contenders for his service. He held out for a new deal or a trade and only came back because he was losing money and nothing to do with loyalty to the team or any fu fu crap like that. He didn't want to be here. The Seahawks were willing to trade but waited too long/wanted more than others were wiling to pay.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Tate didn't want to be here. He wanted to go somewhere where he could build up some stats.

He's happy now. :229031_shrug:

Yes he wanted to go somewhere they offered him almost 40% more of what the Hawk's offered him to stay.

 

[Seahawkfan80]

Tate was a perfect fit for our offense. I wish we had kept him, but I understand why we couldn't offer him as much money as other teams. Wish now that we could have the Harvin trade back, but I loved it at the time; peak Harvin without all the mental problems was a transcendent kind of player, and I find it hard to blame the front office for being enamored with his ability.

I'm glad he went to a team where he can post big numbers. That wouldn't have happened here. I'm a Michigander, and if he was going to go anywhere else, I'm happy it was Detroit.

I think this is the crux of the situation myself. I believe that he was trying to request more opportunities to be a part of the offense in a receiver role. Our team was not at the time doing a single person pass catcher as it makes the Offense to predictable. That is a bad thing at the time. I know our running game was the master and receiving game was the backup plan. But all in all it was a balanced offense. We had 3 receivers and a couple tight ends that were not on the fantasy football teams best player available list, and that is how it was gonna stay. In Detroit, Megatron got the double team and Tate got the accolades. Their opponents were always screwed when they had that tandem. We were not. Our Opponents were never given the single double and scare them with the rest. We never let them know where we were going with the ball. Except the run game.

Just my opinion.

 

[Mad Dog]

I think too many of you are over-thinking this whole Tate thing. Bottom line was we had traded for Harvin, felt to be the superior athlete , and given him an extension. We had little left for Tate knowing that big money extensions were coming for defensive stars. We low-balled him. He got upset and took Detroits first offer without giving us a chance at a second offer. Rest is history.

It's sad that Harvin didn't work out but at that time the only one that could have known what a head case he was was Darrell Bevel. If you are going to be upset at anyone, blame Bevel for not seeing it during the time he spent in Minnesota.

But saying we win a second SB with Tate is ridiculous because who knows if he would have stayed healthy. TBH, we win a second SB if Avril doesn't get concussed or Edelman doesn't come back with his concussion and play. It was that close.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Tate was a perfect fit for our offense. I wish we had kept him, but I understand why we couldn't offer him as much money as other teams. Wish now that we could have the Harvin trade back, but I loved it at the time; peak Harvin without all the mental problems was a transcendent kind of player, and I find it hard to blame the front office for being enamored with his ability.

I'm glad he went to a team where he can post big numbers. That wouldn't have happened here. I'm a Michigander, and if he was going to go anywhere else, I'm happy it was Detroit.

I think this is the crux of the situation myself. I believe that he was trying to request more opportunities to be a part of the offense in a receiver role. Our team was not at the time doing a single person pass catcher as it makes the Offense to predictable. That is a bad thing at the time. I know our running game was the master and receiving game was the backup plan. But all in all it was a balanced offense. We had 3 receivers and a couple tight ends that were not on the fantasy football teams best player available list, and that is how it was gonna stay. In Detroit, Megatron got the double team and Tate got the accolades. Their opponents were always screwed when they had that tandem. We were not. Our Opponents were never given the single double and scare them with the rest. We never let them know where we were going with the ball. Except the run game.

Just my opinion.

We had just won a SB, there was a LONG list of players that we needed to extend.............Tate was a casualty of two things.

1. Doug was the cheaper of the two receivers to resign.
2. Detroit offered Tate an offer he couldn't refuse.

So really I don't think it had anything to do with Golden wanting to leave, or not liking the offense he was playing in, he just got an offer he couldn't refuse from Detroit that we couldn't match, or were unwilling to match because of other higher priority extensions.

 

[Donn2390]

The FO has made a lot more good choices than bad.
Yep, sometimes they screw the pooch.

And sometimes they let the guy that screwed Russell's go also. They had no choice.

THIS!!
They offered him laughable money because he HAD to go.....

 

[jlwaters1]

INvesting NOTHING into the OL? Surely you jest..

We put plenty of draft capital into the Offensive Line, it's just it hadn't really paid off. Or at least not enough to sign them to 2nd contracts.

 

[Seahawk_Dan]

INvesting NOTHING into the OL? Surely you jest..

We put plenty of draft capital into the Offensive Line, it's just it hadn't really paid off. Or at least not enough to sign them to 2nd contracts.

It's a combination of investment and talent evaluation. The investment has been a 1st, a 2nd, and a few 3rd Rounders padded out with picks from rounds 4-7. I suppose the correct statement would be that though there was an investment, in terms of draft stock, the talent added has been very piss poor or below average. Linemen taking from FA have been cheap or projects (like a few draft picks) and linemen that have proven to be somewhat useful we let go. I do blame Pete for this, but at the time I believe he had Cable in his ear telling him that he can take any player and turn them into a linemen. The funny thing is I can do that too. Go into the settings on Madden and change their position. That might as well have been the case when you look at Cable's track record.

 

[KiwiHawk]

INvesting NOTHING into the OL? Surely you jest..

We put plenty of draft capital into the Offensive Line, it's just it hadn't really paid off. Or at least not enough to sign them to 2nd contracts.

It's a combination of investment and talent evaluation. The investment has been a 1st, a 2nd, and a few 3rd Rounders padded out with picks from rounds 4-7. I suppose the correct statement would be that though there was an investment, in terms of draft stock, the talent added has been very piss poor or below average. Linemen taking from FA have been cheap or projects (like a few draft picks) and linemen that have proven to be somewhat useful we let go. I do blame Pete for this, but at the time I believe he had Cable in his ear telling him that he can take any player and turn them into a linemen. The funny thing is I can do that too. Go into the settings on Madden and change their position. That might as well have been the case when you look at Cable's track record.

And yet now that Cable is gone, guys like Iefedi are turning out to be a hell of a lot better than they were when Cable was coaching them. Who is to say if the players were poor selections or the OL coach was the problem?

At any rate, Cable is gone and it appears the problem has been corrected.

 

[Atradees]

Harvin made some spectacular plays in that superb owl. including a bronco spine snapping second half return for a TD. The Jet sweeps and things just didnt work out because we could not convert on 3rd down and had to feature Harvin which he was not that kind of receiver.

Loved Tates play making ability. He seemed to have some sort of rift in the clubhouse. I would be suprised theses are huge egos with huger paydays. Im not a Lion fan; seems at times he outplayed the oft injured Megatron. I dont have any regret. This is a great team. I think the Purge helped with a better draft class. That was beginning to be my complaint. To add I think Moore and Jaron Brown are big bodies and this can be one of the best receiving cores we have had. Anyone remember Chris Mathews featured in superbowl season number two?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I've been over the Tate thing for years. Meh