Geno wasn’t good this game

[SoulfishHawk]

Sometimes they don't. Geno is who I thought he was. It's all in the mindset. When the system breaks down, he does too.

Yep, the former guy didn't lose games like this, period. More often than most, he got it done on the regular.
Geno has NO clutch gene. So damn tired of watching him fold under pressure. And yes, that's what he does.

To his credit, he immediately put the loss on himself. Ironically, some fans refuse to ever put blame on him. It's a team loss, but he was a massive part of it.
And hey, that's fine. We all see it how we see it. I see a guy who can't get it done way more often than not.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Yep, the former guy didn't lose games like this, period. More often than most, he got it done on the regular.
Geno has NO clutch gene. So damn tired of watching him fold under pressure. And yes, that's what he does.

To his credit, he immediately put the loss on himself. Ironically, some fans refuse to ever put blame on him. It's a team loss, but he was a massive part of it.
And hey, that's fine. We all see it how we see it. I see a guy who can't get it done way more often than not.

No one is refusing to put any blame on Geno, though. I haven't seen a single person, Geno fan or not, say that he bears no responsibility for the loss. He had a bad game.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Fair enough. But it happens a lot. Never mind. Not in a state of mind to talk about this sh** right now.

 

[Appyhawk]

Okay. People in this very thread have flip-flopped on Geno this season. That's just reality.

Yes. His picks were flukey. The pass you mentioned at the end of the game was probably his worst throw. That's the only one where I wondered what he was doing trying to thread that needle. The first pick bounced off JSN's hands. The second pick, he probably held on to the ball too long, but it wasn't a process error. His elbow got hit on a throwaway (fun fact: Jerrell had a catastrophic failure on that play). The third pick is an anticipation throw where he's got a guy in his face, and his tight end is being held.

If people want to blame Geno, that's fine. I thought he showed a lot of grit, bouncing back and putting his team in a position to win.

"bouncing back and putting his team in a position to win."
Geno definitely had a few bright moments yesterday. No denying that. But his bad moments overwhelmed those bright moments. It was our DEFENSE that put us in position to win the game yesterday. It was our offense that failed to deliver.

 

[pittpnthrs]

I have a few points in response, but I want to note that I understand your viewpoint and cannot say that its false.

Firstly, I think the majority of quarterbacks are the same way with respect to breaking down in chaos. I don't think a single quarterback in the league currently actually excels when the system breaks down. In fact, I think the best quarterbacks are so system-dependent that they define their own style of system. Brady, Manning, etc. all became synonymous with the systems they excelled in and therefore facilitated.

Sure, some quarterbacks are better outside of play structure than Geno, especially those adept at an improv-style of play like Mahomes. But to me, that's stylistic, and again, a lot the best quarterbacks of all time were kinda the same way. The Bradys and Mannings of the world also didn't do well with the improv stuff. Not to compare Geno to Brady, which some will accuse me of. It's a little like saying every girl is either a Marilyn (Monroe) or a Jackie (Kennedy). Just talking about archetypes, not making a comparison.

Secondly, I think Geno Smith's crumbling is usually a little bit overstated. I think people have it in their head that he's going to crumble under pressure and they try to fit any adversity he faces into that "he's folding under the pressure" box.

I don't think Geno did fold, though. I think he made some stupid mistakes under duress, but I think he responsed. I don't think he broke.

I think Geno has more mental fortitude than he's credited for. I think he's proven it a bunch by winning us games that he could've lost us in crucial final drives.

Geno had a bad, bad day yesterday. I don't think it changes my perception of the past 2 years of which I saw a competent quarterback with a natural arm, an insane story, and a team who responded well to him.

This type of thing was always going to happen at some point. He hasn't been protected at all and faced instant-pressure more than any quarterback in the league last week yet again. I'm not saying that absolves him of the responsibility for his mistakes, but I don't think it's especially possible for a quarterback to be consistent in these circumstances.

Of course, most won't read this due to its length and will insult my intelligence and objectivity without reading the points I've made, so that's discouraging. I appreciate you though, @pittpnthrs - you give me proper consideration despite the disagreements.

Good post Mael and you made good points. I just see things in the more 'black and white' scope of things and it's a fault I admit to. To me, I see a Geno that panics sometimes and forces things with bad decisions. Not all the time mind you, but enough that has swayed my opinion of him. I also understand that not all (not many actually) QB's are good with the improv stuff. If not though, you have to keep the mistakes to a minimum. And when mistakes happen, brush them off and get ready for your next chance. As bad as Geno played yesterday, he did do that at least and played well enough to get us back into the game. So there's that.

We'll never see eye to eye when it comes to Geno, but thats ok. He's servicable until we can move on from him and he's not the biggest issue right now for sure, but I don't think he's the answer either. He just doesn't have that "it" for me.

 

[Appyhawk]

Priority #1: Get an O Line that can do the job. Geno would do better with a better line and so would our RBs.
Priority #2: Find Geno's replacement. His faults are embedded as an incurable disease. His ceiling was to become a starter and he did that. Pat him on the back and thank him, but find his replacement asap. Howell is not the guy either. Howell is Geno's backup. His upside is his price tag.

 

[CallMeADawg]

Geno had a very bad day.

 

[knownone]

PFF graded Geno 76.2 for his performance against the Rams, making him one of the highest-graded Seahawks. Ruiz and Lee were praising him in the Ringer podcast, noting the high degree of difficulty behind near-constant pressure. Speaking of pressure, Geno was pressured on 59.1% of dropbacks, which is absurd.

Don't give in to peer pressure. Geno is fine.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

No, he isn't at all.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Having rewatched the game, I feel better that two of the picks were not his fault. The first one was dropped by JSN on not even that dangerous of a throw. The third was supposed to be a bang-bang predetermined sidearm to a pulling tight end, but AJ Barner got held up by a collapsing Bradford/Jerrell and then hooked and held by Braden Fiske, a missed penalty which both Geno and multiple Seattle beat writers called out and which should have negated the pick. It's at 10:55 of the league's game highlights video.





So yep, the second pick was awful and he deserves all the criticism for it. But I still think Geno's one of the best in the league right now, and now that Michael Jerrell is coming out, things could get better. Can Fant play guard? Please?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Come on, this loss is as much his fault as anyone. He is absolutely not one of the best in the league right now, at all. I respect your opinion, but damn. Geno? One of the best in the league?

 

[Seahawks fan]

Geno throws picks when it matters and gets garbage yards and points when it doesn't

That's why he leads the nfl in come from behind wins over the past 2-1/2 seasons with 9... You should really look up stats before posting stuff like this...

 

[knownone]

Having rewatched the game, I feel better that two of the picks were not his fault. The first one was dropped by JSN on not even that dangerous of a throw. The third was supposed to be a bang-bang predetermined sidearm to a pulling tight end, but AJ Barner got held up by a collapsing Bradford/Jerrell and then hooked and held by Braden Fiske, a missed penalty which both Geno and multiple Seattle beat writers called out and which should have negated the pick. It's at 10:55 of the league's game highlights video.





So yep, the second pick was awful and he deserves all the criticism for it. But I still think Geno's one of the best in the league right now, and now that Michael Jerrell is coming out, things could get better. Can Fant play guard? Please?

Even the second pick wasn't that bad. It's Geno's error for not throwing the ball away sooner, but watch the All-22 view of the play. Cross is pushed back into his lap, forcing him to re-establish outside the pocket. No problem. Except Jerrell gets beaten badly on the outside. Geno had no time to react or sense that pressure because it was so immediate. This is one of those situations in which Jerrell's inexperience costs Seattle. He should have just grabbed Verse.

 

[rcaido]

That's why he leads the nfl in come from behind wins over the past 2-1/2 seasons with 9... You should really look up stats before posting stuff like this...

Cousins has 11 and Allen has 10. Just saying

 

[12AngryHawks]

PFF graded Geno 76.2 for his performance against the Rams, making him one of the highest-graded Seahawks. Ruiz and Lee were praising him in the Ringer podcast, noting the high degree of difficulty behind near-constant pressure. Speaking of pressure, Geno was pressured on 59.1% of dropbacks, which is absurd.

Don't give in to peer pressure. Geno is fine.

Geno is fine sometimes. Maybe even most times, but "fine" is his ceiling. With the way the rest of the NFC is shaping up, this team is gonna need more than "fine" from the QB position.

 

[knownone]

Geno is fine sometimes. Maybe even most times, but "fine" is his ceiling. With the way the rest of the NFC is shaping up, this team is gonna need more than "fine" from the QB position.

We don't know Geno's ceiling. He's played behind a bottom-five O-line in three straight seasons. Sure. He can't carry a team with the 30th-ranked rush offense and the 27th-ranked pass protection, but how many QBs can?

 

[JayhawkMike]

If everything is working well then Geno is okay.

If everything is working well almost any other Backup or Practice Squad QB is also okay.

But we should see this season if Howell is the future or simply a future backup. Making an informed decision after this season might be the most important thing that happens the remainder of this season.

 

[Maelstrom787]

When discussing Geno's turnovers, we should correct for volume.

When looking at interception percentage, it's actually only the 10th highest in the league.

This is tied with Brock Purdy and is currently better than Mahomes, Darnold, Love, and Mayfield.

He had a very bad turnover yesterday, and a couple that were at best SLIGHTLY his fault (not the JSN drop, but the pass where Barner got egregiously held).

I don't see a crazy turnover-prone QB right now when comparing him to the rest of the league, honestly. I see a guy who needs some damn help.

 

[Rat]

I rip on Geno as much as anyone here, but even I wouldnt necessarily say that he's anti-clutch or "crumbles under pressure" more than the average QB. That being said, there's clearly something going wrong in his head when he reaches the red zone. I'm not sure what to attribute it to, or what can even be done about it. I got eviscerated on here for pointing it out after the Lions game, but it looks like others are seeing that while I might be exhaustingly dramatic and over reactionary, I'm not crazy.

 

[Maelstrom787]

I rip on Geno as much as anyone here, but even I wouldnt necessarily say that he's anti-clutch or "crumbles under pressure" more than the average QB. That being said, there's clearly something going wrong in his head when he reaches the red zone. I'm not sure what to attribute it to, or what can even be done about it. I got eviscerated on here for pointing it out after the Lions game, but it looks like others are seeing that while I might be exhaustingly dramatic and over reactionary, I'm not crazy.

Honestly, I think its a few things:

1. Short fields are just harder to pass on. So much less depth the safeties have to worry about.

2. We haven't been able to rush well in the redzone for years running, and that is absolutely crippling on a short field.

3. Pressure in the redzone is arriving too quickly because defenses don't have to worry about being rushed on and know that they can get quick pressure on a short field with safeties playing up.

All of those things together make red zone operation so, so much harder.

It's clearly not Geno's forte, but I think he'd look better if we could just win on the ground sometimes.