Geno wasn’t good this game

[SoulfishHawk]

Ignore the numbers and just watch the "best QBs" in the league. Name those who consistently play without fault. There aren't any, even though they all play behind an O Line superior to ours.
Geno takes the blame and some of that is deserved, but there are cause and effect issues that tend to fog perspective.

Good point. I know I'm way too critical of him. Working on it

 

[TheLost]

Goff and his mighty offensive coordinator game plan threw 5 interception's and the Lions won their game.

 

[Ozzy]

Good point. I know I'm way too critical of him. Working on it

I’m sticking with my thoughts that Geno is in the 12-17 range who is capable of a higher rank if everything around him is in place. He does some things very well and some things not so well. He’s a good QB. Not a great QB but a good one.

 

[Spin Doctor]

I’m sticking with my thoughts that Geno is in the 12-17 range who is capable of a higher rank if everything around him is in place. He does some things very well and some things not so well. He’s a good QB. Not a great QB but a good one.

That is a good take and exactly where I stand as well. People are making out Geno like he's some sort of scrub QB that is easily replicable. He isn't, despite his numbers the guy is absurdly good in some areas. His arm strength and accuracy are REALLY good. He's able to make some throws that others guys in the NFL just can't. His ability to stand strong in the pocket with guys bearing down on him is also a great asset.

The guys talking about Sam Howell coming in and doing better than Geno are delusional. Sam Howell was in a similar situation and posted inferior numbers to Geno across the board. If we extrapolate Geno Smith's numbers out to week 17, he's going to have a significant advantage in yards, completion percentage, Y/A, and will have the same amount of TDs with a few less INT.

Sam Howell in particular looked bad as the season came to its closer.

This isn't to say that Geno DOESN'T have his share of problems. I'm seeing some insinuate that he is an elite passer, others were yelling MVP after 3-4 games. He is quite possibly one of the most polarizing characters we've had at QB in a long time.

The reality lies somewhere in the middle. Geno is a QB that can get the job done, while at the same time has some really faults as most QB's in this range do.

Despite Geno being accurate and having live arm, he has issues in the redzone. Across multiple coordinators, the Seahawks have remained one of the worst redzone offenses in the NFL under Geno. The inverse was true underneath Russell Wilson. Seattle generally was really good in this regard, even in his last season here. Geno Smith seems to struggle in the redzone. His conversion rate, TD:INT ratio and completion percentage is lower than his many of his counter parts here. He is extremely good in-between the 20s, and lackluster inside the 20s.

Geno Smith seems to have issues regulating himself without a character like Carroll around. The meltdowns on the sidelines are coming all too often. This doesn't look good as a leader of the team. It's a bad look for fans, and I'm sure it's a bad look for the people in the locker room. Geno doesn't necessarily strike me as a leader. He's not bad in this regard, but he isn't necessarily good either. He seems to let his emotions get in his head. Without a guy like Carroll, he seems to have taken a huge step back in this regard.

Geno Smith is prone to silly little mental mistakes at inopportune times. He becomes locked in, too much so to certain guys. This season he seems to be staring down receivers much more than in years past. Definitely some regression is taking place -- but this isn't all on Geno. The running game is non existent and the O-Line can't run or pass block. We can't argue the offensive line and heavy reliance on Geno Smith to make something happen.

What is problematic though is I'm seeing more and more of the traits that I saw in Jets Geno. A bad offensive line can derail a guy for the rest of his career, especially a guy like Geno who just found his stride, especially without a guy with the player management skills of Carroll.

 

[Ozzy]

That is a good take and exactly where I stand as well. People are making out Geno like he's some sort of scrub QB that is easily replicable. He isn't, despite his numbers the guy is absurdly good in some areas. His arm strength and accuracy are REALLY good. He's able to make some throws that others guys in the NFL just can't. His ability to stand strong in the pocket with guys bearing down on him is also a great asset.

The guys talking about Sam Howell coming in and doing better than Geno are delusional. Sam Howell was in a similar situation and posted inferior numbers to Geno across the board. If we extrapolate Geno Smith's numbers out to week 17, he's going to have a significant advantage in yards, completion percentage, Y/A, and will have the same amount of TDs with a few less INT.

Sam Howell in particular looked bad as the season came to its closer.

This isn't to say that Geno DOESN'T have his share of problems. I'm seeing some insinuate that he is an elite passer, others were yelling MVP after 3-4 games. He is quite possibly one of the most polarizing characters we've had at QB in a long time.

The reality lies somewhere in the middle. Geno is a QB that can get the job done, while at the same time has some really faults as most QB's in this range do.

Despite Geno being accurate and having live arm, he has issues in the redzone. Across multiple coordinators, the Seahawks have remained one of the worst redzone offenses in the NFL under Geno. The inverse was true underneath Russell Wilson. Seattle generally was really good in this regard, even in his last season here. Geno Smith seems to struggle in the redzone. His conversion rate, TD:INT ratio and completion percentage is lower than his many of his counter parts here. He is extremely good in-between the 20s, and lackluster inside the 20s.

Geno Smith seems to have issues regulating himself without a character like Carroll around. The meltdowns on the sidelines are coming all too often. This doesn't look good as a leader of the team. It's a bad look for fans, and I'm sure it's a bad look for the people in the locker room. Geno doesn't necessarily strike me as a leader. He's not bad in this regard, but he isn't necessarily good either. He seems to let his emotions get in his head. Without a guy like Carroll, he seems to have taken a huge step back in this regard.

Geno Smith is prone to silly little mental mistakes at inopportune times. He becomes locked in, too much so to certain guys. This season he seems to be staring down receivers much more than in years past. Definitely some regression is taking place -- but this isn't all on Geno. The running game is non existent and the O-Line can't run or pass block. We can't argue the offensive line and heavy reliance on Geno Smith to make something happen.

What is problematic though is I'm seeing more and more of the traits that I saw in Jets Geno. A bad offensive line can derail a guy for the rest of his career, especially a guy like Geno who just found his stride, especially without a guy with the player management skills of Carroll.

Spot on post Spin!

 

[Ozzy]

He’s super accurate most of the time but he does seem to make mistakes at a high level as this stat shows.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Like the later part of last season. It was uncanny how many were dropped. He's like many QB's, when he's on he's damn good. When he's off though, ouch.
Just my opinion, nothing to flame me over.

 

[FrodosFinger]

 

[SNDavidson]

If Geno underperforms against the whiners and throws a dumb pick and takes dumb sacks will he get benched?

Admittedly have not read the whole thread, how close is MM to pulling him mid-game?

MM has demonstrated he is ready to take swift action, wondering what we think there.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

It might be time already, but it does seem like his leash is pretty long. Then again, behind that O Line, pretty tough to be on top of your game.