Geno Believer Yet?

[Hawknight]

Fair enough. It's no secret that I've never been a huge Geno fan. But he's making me have a hell of a lot more confidence in him. And that's a good thing. Being wrong is very good, when it means your team is winning.

This! I'm not a huge Geno fan as well, but when props are due..props are due. Geno is due his props for yesterday's game. If Geno can continue to play as such throughout the season, I might be swayed a bit to be in Geno's camp. But yesterday was Geno's day and well deserved!

 

[SoulfishHawk]

No doubt. Shoot, when we got the ball at the end of the 4th, I figured they were gonna' get a game winning TD. When we stopped them on 3rd and short in OT, I had a lot of confidence we would go get a game winning FG. Been a while since I felt that confident.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Are you enjoying it though, Pitt? Honest question.
Someday, we'll enjoy a pint together. You can tell me the pint is half empty, and I'll tell you it's half full. That's our Jam

 

[Double Tribble]

Curious what it will take for those of us who think Geno is merely a bridge QB or simply not good enough to win it all to believe he just might be our current franchise quarterback?

What kind of stats does he need to have to convince you?

Did you know that Geno Smith had more game winning drives in the 4th quarter (5) than ANY other QB last year?

Truly. What will it take?

Winning in the playoffs. Nothing else matters. If he does that, I will happily give him his due.

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

What’s currently holding Seattle back on offense is talent on the offensive line.

Geno, would look even BETTER, with some better protection up the middle. Seattle needs some better talent at Guard and Geno and Grubb would flourish!

I say Seattle now has a competent offensive game plan and could use drafted talent at guard to put this whole thing together.

Geno, can do this I believe but Seattle definitely needs to add talent on the offensive line.

Geno, is currently outperforming his offensive line.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Good points ^

A few of his throws, while being under pressure, were things of beauty.

 

[Sprfunk]

Raw numbers are not a good way to judge the best season, especially raw counting stats like passing TDs, interceptions, rushing TDs, and passing yards. Adjustments for things like game situation and opponent quality, plus the use of rate stats beyond completion percentage, give better measures.

I'm with you here. My thing is I'm looking statistically because I believe Geno's skill set is perfect for Grubb. As I watched UW's O I really believed it was an NFL system. Not one made to take advantage of the college game. The information gathered presnap was so different than anything I've seen in the last 10 years of Seahawks football. So far, it's shown true. Grub has his O looking miles ahead of where we generally look this early in the season. Think of how lost coordinators look when switching to the nfl. They usually don't hit the ground running. Even taking a system from one nfl team to another. It looks sloppy for a good while. This system is perfect for Geno and I think the stats will show it.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Winning in the playoffs. Nothing else matters. If he does that, I will happily give him his due.

That. Is. A. Team. Stat.

Wins are not a QB stat.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Will just add one comment here. Perhaps Geno "wasn't good in the red zone" because those teams couldn't reliably run the ball anywhere on the field and Geno was forced to pass in the red zone where it is most dangerous.

The rushing stats in the redzone were even worse than the passing stats in the redzone. No one likes to bring that up, though.

 

[bileever]

To use a metaphor that only old guys will get: Many people want what's behind Monty Hall's door number 3. But what's behind there is often not what you hope for. Are we 2-0 with Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, Bo Nix, Will Levis, or Bryce Young? I'm pretty sure we'd be 0-2. On draft night, the fans of the teams that drafted QBs in the first round thought they were going to the Super Bowl.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

That. Is. A. Team. Stat.

Wins are not a QB stat.

But didn't the former guy win a ton of playoff games, all while a bunch of people claimed it was only because of the defense and running game?

If people don't like a guy, they will downplay the QB's contributions. Been that way for years around the league.

You're right, wins are a TEAM stat. QB's usually get too much credit or not enough. Goes with the position.

 

[pittpnthrs]

And here we go again, "barely beat"
I keep forgetting that this is the BCS, you have to win pretty.
Do you, as I always say, but damn man. You are shockingly negative and stubborn. Just sayin.

Why are you yelling at me Soul? Lol. I'm not being negative towards anything. I'm just saying that I don't understand the league yet. It's too early. I can't tell who's good or bad yet. That's all. I'm not dissing on the win yesterday at all.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

We bust each other's chops. Nothing more. I get what you're saying. A lot to be seen. Shoot, this team hasn't even come close to their potential.
Maybe that why I'm enjoying this so much. It doesn't feel like a 2-0 team. And that's a good thing, because they ARE 2-0.
I'm really referring more on your next level Geno resistance.

 

[pittpnthrs]

That. Is. A. Team. Stat.

Wins are not a QB stat.

Geno won this game

Geno won this. But Grubb was a big piece of it too. This. Did anyone note that last week the pass game wasn't working so we adjusted at half and ran it down their throat? Today, the run game wasn't working so we threw it 44 times... I like the idea that we're going to use the right tools for...

www.seahawks.net

 

[pittpnthrs]

I'm really referring more on your next level Geno resistance.

I get it, but would you believe me if I said i'm rooting for him to prove me wrong? Like I said, he's played well the past couple of seasons and nobody is denying that. I just need to see him win a post season game when the stakes are ramped. That's more important to me than regular season stats. I need him to succeed on the bigger stage.

 

[Maelstrom787]

But didn't the former guy win a ton of playoff games, all while a bunch of people claimed it was only because of the defense and running game?

If people don't like a guy, they will downplay the QB's contributions. Been that way for years around the league.

You're right, wins are a TEAM stat. QB's usually get too much credit or not enough. Goes with the position.

Yes, that is the exact point. Wins are a team stat and Russell only experiencing postseason success when provided with a capable rushing attack and a great defense is a pretty good supporting point for that reality.

When we no longer had those things, the playoff success went away.

No QB does it alone. None. Those who do cannot do it in the postseason when the going gets tough. It requires a full team effort.

 

[Mick063]

I have been a believer ever since he got here. His arm talent is off the charts, he is humble, he is a seasoned veteran, his contract value is the best "bang for the buck" value in the entire league, he led the league in completion percentage a couple of seasons ago, he led the league in 4th quarter comebacks last season, he is the face of the franchise and a fine ambassador for Seahawk football, and he can run 21 miles per hour at 33 years of age (obviously low "wear and tear").

The new coaching staff didn't have to like him. He isn't Macdonald's guy. Yet, the new coach gushes over the work ethic and leadership. Named Geno a starter early on to eliminate the distraction. Routinely hands out his rare, hard-earned compliments in the post-game press conferences.

Folks that don't like Geno are just mad because they can't say "Told ya so". The Anthony Richardson lovers just can't admit that they were wrong about Geno or wrong about Richardson.

 

[AROS]

What’s currently holding Seattle back on offense is talent on the offensive line.

Geno, would look even BETTER, with some better protection up the middle. Seattle needs some better talent at Guard and Geno and Grubb would flourish!

I say Seattle now has a competent offensive game plan and could use drafted talent at guard to put this whole thing together.

Geno, can do this I believe but Seattle definitely needs to add talent on the offensive line.

Geno, is currently outperforming his offensive line.

Good lord imagine Geno with a Top 5 OL?!

He would be a top 5 QB!

 

[CallMeADawg]

Curious what it will take for those of us who think Geno is merely a bridge QB or simply not good enough to win it all to believe he just might be our current franchise quarterback?

What kind of stats does he need to have to convince you?

Did you know that Geno Smith had more game winning drives in the 4th quarter (5) than ANY other QB last year?

Truly. What will it take?

For some, it's impossible. They just keep moving the goalposts. If I'm tracking things correctly, they currently sit on the regular season doesn't matter and Geno is only good if he wins a postseason game, even though true wins are a team stat.

Look no further than people that didn't even watch the entire game commenting on his performance.

One thing people don't account for, and should, is his pressers and how he represents his play and his teammates.



Good leadership skills. He is also dressed pretty sharp here as well.

 

[AROS]

For some, it's impossible. They just keep moving the goalposts. If I'm tracking things correctly, they currently sit on the regular season doesn't matter and Geno is only good if he wins a postseason game, even though true wins are a team stat.

Look no further than people that didn't even watch the entire game commenting on his performance.

One thing people don't account for, and should, is his pressers and how he represents his play and his teammates.



Good leadership skills. He is also dressed pretty sharp here as well.

Great points, and yeah I even took a photo of his presser last night to show my girl (we have a weird fetish talking about people's suits even though I dress like a slob LOL).