Fraley isnt even Lions OC

[Natethegreat]

I highly doubt he was offered the job here even with split duties. John Morton is the reported hire for the Lions.
The assumptions that we lost out on him are misplaced imo. The lions didn't even put him in as OC.
Personally I was highly skeptical of having a very capable O line coach jump into an OC position anyway. There is a world of difference between the two coaching jobs.

 

[ccla]

I try (and I sometimes fail) to never make snap judgements when we pick or when we hire somebody. When we pass judgement on these things, we make a ton of assumptions because we do not have a front seat, and we do not know all the variables in play to make the decisions. Yes, there will be times when we offer a job to someone and she/he refuses, but we will never know (unless mentioned in a memoir years later - in which case we can all say I TOLD YOU SO!).
At the end of the day, the Hawk's staff is getting paid to make these choices and they have all of the pertinent information at their fingertips. Yes, they can make a mistake, but they are doing what they think is best for the franchise.
Yes, we could have offered the split responsibilities job to Fraley and he might have refused, but it is just as possible that we did not offer the job to him. All we can do is wait for the future and hope for the best!

 

[keasley45]

I think they offered him the same deal he ultimately took in Detroit and he chose to stay where he was.

I think Detroit just matched what we were offering.

Happens all the time in every field - a competitor wants to hire you, you go to interview, they make you an offer, you go to your employer who you are happy with and ask them if they value you in the same way. They say yes - you get what the other guys woukd have given you and stay. They say no - you stay where you are at your current spot or something better, but not as good as what the others were offering -OR- you go over to the other guys.

The fact that neither Johnson nor Detroit considered him for OC says a lot. I dont think we did either... not without a handcuff.

 

[SeaWolv]

The fact that neither Johnson nor Detroit considered him for OC says a lot.

It was reported that Johnson didn't want to raid Campbell's staff out of respect.

 

[keasley45]

Thats certainly one possible explanation

 

[SeaWolv]

You don't interview a guy twice if you're not seriously considering them for the job. I think he's comfortable in Detroit and they offered him an expanded role and he chose to take that instead of OC here. Maybe he feels he's not ready for OC or maybe he feels loyalty to Campbell.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Way more time spent worrying about what we DON'T have instead of focusing on what we DO have.
The guy wanted to stay in Detroit, it's not uncommon. Better team, got a raise, more responsibility and didn't have to move his fam.

Nothing wrong with it. Detroit is a legit SB contender, why not stick around?

 

[BigMeach]

You don't interview a guy twice if you're not seriously considering them for the job. I think he's comfortable in Detroit and they offered him an expanded role and he chose to take that instead of OC here. Maybe he feels he's not ready for OC or maybe he feels loyalty to Campbell.

Requesting a second interview and making the job offer are two completely different things. I don't know what actually happened but let's not misconstrue that it meant we offered him OC.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

And let's not assume they DIDN'T offer him the OC job.

 

[Appyhawk]

Bottom line is we got the best we could get under the circumstances. And he just might turn out to be the best choice available.

 

[Maulbert]

Stop looking for fire when there's not even smoke. Assholes already looking for ways Mac screwed it up. It's stupid.

 

[DarkVictory23]

I've seen speculation elsewhere that there was an attempt to bring Fraley in as essentially a high-powered Run Game Coordinator under Kubiak. Essentially, the same promotion that he got in Detroit with a little bit more juice, but since Detroit offered him the same thing, he took that.

No idea if this is true or not--so apologies in advance for adding to the speculation--but it lines up nicely with the similar-ish rumors that the Seahawks were thinking of making Fraley the OC but wanted an experienced play caller to be his passing game coordinator and would explain the timing of the Kubiak announcement given he was the first guy in for a 2nd interview.


That said, Kubiak is who I preferred from the beginning, though I thought Slowik looked like an interesting candidate once the Buccs released him. I understand wanting the high-upside guy (like Fraley or Udinski could have been), but I preferred the high floor choice with a 'TBD' ceiling.

As some said, if the Lions and Bears both didn't make the move to make him an OC, I think it's probably indicative that he wasn't ready for that role yet. (The Lions brought in an outside candidate even).

I just don't think we missed out on much here. He might end up a great OC in the future, but he's not even going to be an OC next year, let alone a great one.

 

[keasley45]

You don't interview a guy twice if you're not seriously considering them for the job. I think he's comfortable in Detroit and they offered him an expanded role and he chose to take that instead of OC here. Maybe he feels he's not ready for OC or maybe he feels loyalty to Campbell.

Mmmmm... if this were 10 years ago, I'd agree. But usually a first interview is virtual, and used as a prescreening opportunity. If the person isnt obviously a bad match, you always bring them in for a 2nd 'in person' interview. I cant think of an organization worth their salt that would actually hire someone after a zoom call. Its bad form all around. And i believe everyone of our interviews started with a remote call as the first interview.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Stop looking for fire when there's not even smoke. Assholes already looking for ways Mac screwed it up. It's stupid.

Well said

 

[SeaWolv]

Mmmmm... if this were 10 years ago, I'd agree. But usually a first interview is virtual, and used as a prescreening opportunity. If the person isnt obviously a bad match, you always bring them in for a 2nd 'in person' interview. I cant think of an organization worth their salt that would actually hire someone after a zoom call. Its bad form all around. And i believe everyone of our interviews started with a remote call as the first interview.

Not suggesting they would hire after a Zoom meeting but typically there are 2 or 3 rounds of interviews and in each round they weed out candidates until they get to just a few in the third round and then make their final decision from there. If someone gets to a 2nd interview that's a clear indication there's serious interest. They may not end up with the job after that round or even the next but they're seriously being considered for it.