Done with Grubb

[hox]

I am tired of slow developing runs out of shotgun. And so tired of this fake hurry up B.S.

The slow developing runs out of shotgun are not good with this o-line. Defenders are in the backfield before the handoff even happens. They know what is coming and tee off on it. Brady mentioned this in the Buffalo game and same thing was happening again this game.

 

[Ozzy]

I’m not sure how everyone knows all the route trees without the coaching tape. I saw multiple sacks with an outlet wide open that Geno didn’t even look at. It’s not all on Grubb and take away the interceptions or two snaps and this offense has a fantastic day.

It’s more execution than play calling for me.

 

[Chukarhawk]

Geno has been a walking pick machine. Gotta help the guy and find a run game. Geno needs structure to thrive, He's not a dynamic player that's going to adapt to chaotic situations. He needs the stability a solid running game offers. Otherwise, Howell is actually a better choice. They are still only running roughly half the playbook. Getting Lucas back after the Bye could be a huge huge deal.

 

[Shane Falco]

I want to know why Geno is checking out of so many plays. Just run the damn play already. So many gaffes are happening in these situations.

 

[GetNjigbaWithIt]

Now that it's the day after, I can say that I think Grubb, for the most part, called a good game. Without DK, he was able get everyone else involved, JSN had a career game, Walker had a good amount of snaps, Barner made some plays, and Cody White emerged as a possible WR4.

 

[Ozzy]

Now that it's the day after, I can say that I think Grubb, for the most part, called a good game. He was able get everyone else involved, JSN had a career game, Walker had a good amount of snaps, Barner made some plays, and Cody White emerged as a possible WR4.

Yeah all things considered I thought Grubb was pretty damn good. He didn’t have DK, they emphasized the run game more, he got JSN to explode and we had so many execution mistakes, I don’t get the Grubb hate after yesterday.

 

[DarkVictory23]

I want to know why Geno is checking out of so many plays. Just run the damn play already. So many gaffes are happening in these situations.

He's not, that's part of Grubb's system.

We line up early to see defensive alignment and then Geno's supposed to choose a play based on alignment (sometimes they have two plays already chosen) or look to the sideline for the call that comes down from Grubb.

 

[hox]

The TV announcer said that Grubb doesn't open the game with scripted plays. Could be why the offense starts off slow

 

[Appyhawk]

I don't fault Grubb for having to deal with the hand he was dealt. He knows what the problem is.

Had DK just been on the field running sprints Lockett might have caught a dozen passes and Njigba would have caught more than he did. That is if Geno could resist the temptation to throw it to DK every time. I'm not convinced running Walker up the gut did a single bit of good to make the Rams D honest. They honestly dominated the LOS.

 

[hox]

Yeah all things considered I thought Grubb was pretty damn good. He didn’t have DK, they emphasized the run game more, he got JSN to explode and we had so many execution mistakes, I don’t get the Grubb hate after yesterday.

He actually didn't call a horrible game all things considered.

His primary issue continues to be his vanilla run schemes. Just compare with McVay and Shanahans run schemes. They are light years ahead of him. CMAC goes down? Doesn't matter - they still are among the best in league in rushing.

K9? Can't even scheme the guy in space or in motion. Instead, let's have him run into brick wall every single game.

 

[Seahawks fan]

I don't think firing him is the right move at this time, I say give the guy a full offseason and one more year, but if next year falls apart then start the search for a new OC....

 

[geezus]

Lol give the guy a full season before you write him off. He probably just needs a little more time and experience to understand what it takes to run a successful offense at the NFL level. It's not like there are good OCs just lying on the ground to pick.

 

[Shane Falco]

He's not, that's part of Grubb's system.

We line up early to see defensive alignment and then Geno's supposed to choose a play based on alignment (sometimes they have two plays already chosen) or look to the sideline for the call that comes down from Grubb.

I didn't even know that. Thanks.

Now I like Grubbs system even less. I guess some think it's cutting edge/innovative though.

 

[DarkVictory23]

I’m not sure how everyone knows all the route trees without the coaching tape. I saw multiple sacks with an outlet wide open that Geno didn’t even look at. It’s not all on Grubb and take away the interceptions or two snaps and this offense has a fantastic day.

It’s more execution than play calling for me.

Ok, cool, so let's go to the All-22 and see how Geno's sacks actually played out this way.

First sack only 1 route is actually designed to be available when Geno hits his backfoot, which is Barner, and the defense gets there basically at the same time. No outlet route on this play.

Second sack, there is again no checkdown route on the play.

Third sack we have a bad snap from Williams that Geno has to corral. He hesitates on the crosser to Barner, so that's on Geno, but once again there was no checkdown route on the play.

Fourth sack, again no checkdown, defense gets there almost immediately, and we have another bad snap.

Fifth sack, we FINALLY actually have a checkdown with K9 wide left, but Geno never has a chance to get to that read because our 4th string RT gets blown up so badly.

Sixth sack, Geno brings in Barner and K9 for max pro, there is ANOTHER bad snap, there is no checkdown route (possibly Barner or K9 were supposed to be that) and Jerrell again gets blown up and Barner blows his protection assignment badly and tries to leak out without ever getting a chip on the defender.

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Outside of the fifth sack, which there is no reasonable way to expect Geno to get to that read, none of these routes even had checkdowns for Geno to not look at. Also, I didn't realize how often Williams was actually sending back bad snaps but... yikes.

I didn't even know that. Thanks.

Now I like Grubbs system even less. I guess some think it's cutting edge/innovative though.

I honestly don't mind the idea, because we've seen it put defenses back on their heels more than once in the season. The problem remains that we just aren't doing enough with it.

We are uncreative about moving the pocket when we pass, so regardless of what alignment we see, the pass rush still knows where to go 80% of the time.

And we are also uncreative with our run game. When we read something about the defense's alignment that says, hey, let's run the ball... why does that never lead to a jet sweep call? Or wide toss? It's almost always a shotgun handoff up the middle.

It doesn't help to properly read the linebackers or safeties if we aren't forcing the front 4 to think about where to go. They know where Geno's going to be in the pocket or where the run is going to go 80% of the time.

 

[Ozzy]

I remember two sacks where he had time hung on too long and could’ve hit an outlet or thrown it away, Brock confirmed this. I think you’re erroring too far in Geno’s defense.

I do agree on Williams. Even some where Geno caught them weren’t good, that has to be fixed

 

[hawks85]

Mm should not have brought in a 1st time OC. Embarrassing

Yup, I've been saying this since the beginning. I wasn't a fan of the Grubb hire at all. Grubb is an extremely pass happy OC and does not like running the ball at all. He did it in Washington and now he's doing it here. It's not gonna change unless Grubb is gone, and I'm all in for that. Take his ass back to UW.

 

[metwelve]

Mm should not have brought in a 1st time OC. Embarrassing

The stats were there. In the last 15 years NO college OC making the jump to the Pro level has been successful, NONE. Another horrible call by Seahawks. The GM is there to share this kind of information with his coach.

 

[DarkVictory23]

I remember two sacks where he had time hung on too long and could’ve hit an outlet or thrown it away, Brock confirmed this. I think you’re erroring too far in Geno’s defense.

I do agree on Williams. Even some where Geno caught them weren’t good, that has to be fixed

I literally just watched them all on the All-22.

Only one play even had an outlet route despite your insistence that you remember at least 'two' and Geno had no chance to look at that outlet route. (I do think there was an opportunity for him to try to thread the needle to Tyler on that play but literally none to look at the checkdown).

But you've now added the 'thrown it away' point, so I watched them again. The pressure got to Geno on every single one of those sacks in less than 2.5 seconds except one, which was the bootleg play action from under center.

Problem there was only one route was open after Geno completed the bootleg which was the go route on the left side of the field which is a throw that Geno needs to step into... and as soon as he tried, defense was there.

So, it's not even accurate that he could have thrown them away, unless you think QBs are supposed to commit to throwing the ball away in less than 2 seconds but that would make the toss out of bounds like your 3rd read on the route tree which, as you should realize, is not a thing.

 

[Ozzy]

I literally just watched them all on the All-22.

Only one play even had an outlet route despite your insistence that you remember at least 'two' and Geno had no chance to look at that outlet route. (I do think there was an opportunity for him to try to thread the needle to Tyler on that play but literally none to look at the checkdown).

But you've now added the 'thrown it away' point, so I watched them again. The pressure got to Geno on every single one of those sacks in less than 2.5 seconds except one, which was the bootleg play action from under center.

Problem there was only one route was open after Geno completed the bootleg which was the go route on the left side of the field which is a throw that Geno needs to step into... and as soon as he tried, defense was there.

So, it's not even accurate that he could have thrown them away, unless you think QBs are supposed to commit to throwing the ball away in less than 2 seconds but that would make the toss out of bounds like your 3rd read on the route tree which, as you should realize, is not a thing.

I’ll watch them again but I’ve been burned by people on here before who it turned out where obviously confirming their priors. No offense but I prefer to watch them myself. The fact that you said all under 2.5 seconds. …some throw away depending on the play calls should absolutely be thrown away under that amount of time. All depends on circumstances

Again I appreciate you taking the time to look at it and it’s not personal. Your opinion is just as valid as mine.

 

[toffee]

Everyone is to blame. The o line, Geno, Grubb. All 3

Not JSN