Do We Officially Ride the Cheater Label in 2013?

[HansGruber]

To answer the thread title:

I sure hope so. The only people who ever get accused of cheating are the winners.

Never cared if the Patriots taped practices or whatever. Anyone who thinks that's how they won all those SuperBowls is just being a hater. Just like Denver winning the SuperBowl when cheating the cap - who cares? Nobody remembers. All we remember is Elway riding off into the sunset. I've heard tons of stuff about the Walsh 49ers cheating in various ways as well, steroid use and stuff like that (same with the 70's Steelers and Raiders), but who cares? They're still champs. We still talk about them.

As they say - if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.

 

[AbsolutNET]

To answer the thread title:

I sure hope so. The only people who ever get accused of cheating are the winners.

Never cared if the Patriots taped practices or whatever. Anyone who thinks that's how they won all those SuperBowls is just being a hater. Just like Denver winning the SuperBowl when cheating the cap - who cares? Nobody remembers. All we remember is Elway riding off into the sunset. I've heard tons of stuff about the Walsh 49ers cheating in various ways as well, steroid use and stuff like that (same with the 70's Steelers and Raiders), but who cares? They're still champs. We still talk about them.

As they say - if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.

Do all winners get accused of cheating?

 

[BamKam]

To answer the thread title:

I sure hope so. The only people who ever get accused of cheating are the winners.

Never cared if the Patriots taped practices or whatever. Anyone who thinks that's how they won all those SuperBowls is just being a hater. Just like Denver winning the SuperBowl when cheating the cap - who cares? Nobody remembers. All we remember is Elway riding off into the sunset. I've heard tons of stuff about the Walsh 49ers cheating in various ways as well, steroid use and stuff like that (same with the 70's Steelers and Raiders), but who cares? They're still champs. We still talk about them.

As they say - if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.

Pretty much this.

I would argue than a lot of people on this board "cheat" at their jobs as well to gain a competitive advantage in subtle ways.

Reading a lot of these posts it seems people would rather have Adderal free average/bad football instead of a few positive tests here and there along with great/elite football.

 

[AbsolutNET]

Since when is adderal turning average players into great ones? We saw Browner and Sherm play BETTER after they got dinged. Irvin has been inconsistent at best.

Is taking adderal really worth the potential consequence? We aren't talking about McGwire and Sosa levels of improvement here. It's effects have shown to be negligible, so what's the point in getting suspended over it?

 

[brettb3]

All I can say is, the same contingent at work that FINALLY stopped talking about Sherman/Browner and The GB game are like kids in a candy store now. Honestly, it was annoying last year but this is truly pissing me off. The season hasn't even started yet and people are going to discount every achievement they make next year.

Sorry but perception does matter. When a team gets written into the history books of the NFL, its pretty much ALL about perception.

Quite the opposite, actually. The history books are all about what actually happens, not perception.

 

[brettb3]

NFL Front offices having some fun. Saw this tweeted by Freeman of CBS Sportsline

NFL GM: "How do you stop a Seahawk? Take away his doctor's prescription pad."”

Depends on who you read the team is either tied with Deadskins or leading the league in suspensions. Kind of a corny joke but aren't most?

EDIT: And more of the expected backlash

Peter King of Sports Illustrated has this to say about the latest Seattle player being suspended for violating the league’s policy on performance enhancing drugs: “I think the Seahawks’ six suspensions for positive tests in the last two calendar years — only five players were sanctioned, because Richard Sherman’s ban last year was thrown out due to chain-of-custody issues — will make the 2014 free-agent period and draft very interesting for Seahawks GM John Schneider and coach Pete Carroll. They’ll almost have to draft and pursue Eagle Scouts because of all the recent violations; Seattle will have to show it’s serious about acquiring disciplined and mature players.”

Read more here: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks ... rylink=cpy

The luster is coming off the way the FO was doing things. After Wilson and the 2012 draft there was a perception change in how the FO was doing things. That is now all open to debate.

Oh please. What a ridiculous overreaction by King. This isn't going to change the way Carroll and Schneider acquire players one damn bit.

 

[Coug_Hawk08]

Lol, What a moronic statement by king.

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

Take out the 4 guys suspended and the 1 possible out of the equation: Moffitt, Browner, Guy, Irvin, and Sherman.

The Seahawks still have 48 other players, who still until proven otherwise are "clean".

While the actions of the 5 guys above do tarnish the franchise... None of them are leaders, 2 of those players are fighting for roster spots, Browner most likely won't be back after 2013, Irvin most likely won't be a starter, or leader anytime soon, and out of the 5 he gave the most compelling apology taking full ownership and plead guilty even before his trial, so hopefully he grows from this situation and uses it as fuel, Sherman was never found guilty, and honestly... I'm kind of glad multiple Seahawks players are found "tainted" because one of the Seahawks best and most important players could have been telling the "truth". Hardly any one believed Sherman at the time, now we can look back and say "Wait a minute" and that it makes a little bit of sense that his testing sample could actually have been compromised. I rather have it Irvin, Guy, Browner than Sherman.

But back to the other 48-50 players that will make the roster, do you think they like being called "cheaters", probably not, so I'm certain most of those stand up guys will straighten out the locker-room especially with Russell Wilson in charge because he is the almost the perfect human being , and now with everyone mocking, laughing, jeering, negatively analyzing the Seahawks, those 48-50 guys will take it to heart and use it as motivation to protect the team's image. To prove the haters otherwise that there is 48-50 other guys on this team that follow the rules, and that they are legitimate championship quality football players.

 

[BBHawks]

Hans Gruber, master criminal: "As they say - if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying."

Sorry, fellow Hawks fans, but IMO, this is getting embarrassing. A few more takes like this and we're going to be the official jokes of the NFL fan community. Fans who embrace cheating??!! Really? Is this really how we want to be seen by the rest of the NFL? Keep it up and we'll have the most hated team in the league along with the most hated fans. We ought to be better than that.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Hans Gruber, master criminal: "As they say - if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying."

Sorry, fellow Hawks fans, but IMO, this is getting embarrassing. A few more takes like this and we're going to be the official jokes of the NFL fan community. Fans who embrace cheating??!! Really? Is this really how we want to be seen by the rest of the NFL? Keep it up and we'll have the most hated team in the league along with the most hated fans. We ought to be better than that.

Why do you care about what other fan bases think?

 

[HansGruber]

Hans Gruber, master criminal: "As they say - if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying."

Sorry, fellow Hawks fans, but IMO, this is getting embarrassing. A few more takes like this and we're going to be the official jokes of the NFL fan community. Fans who embrace cheating??!! Really? Is this really how we want to be seen by the rest of the NFL? Keep it up and we'll have the most hated team in the league along with the most hated fans. We ought to be better than that.

Can you remind me when the Seahawks WEREN'T the jokes of the nfl fan community? Why should I care now?

I've listened to trash talk from other fans my entire life. In the 1980's, it was that we'd never been to the big game. In the 90's, we were the Bungles, perennially losing at everything, terrible drafts, an owner who wanted to move, etc. In the oughts, we sucked too bad to stay in the afc, or we were whiners who couldn't let go of XL. Even recently, we get laughed at for Pete the cheat, TJack, etc.

If you're worried about what other fans think, you're rooting for the wrong team.

That's why I'm loving the cheat talk. Whatever. Just means we finally have a good team that can compete every year. People are jealous. Don't care. Let other fans talk about us if they want. I'm too busy enjoying Russellmania to care.

 

[hedgehawk]

Hans Gruber, master criminal: "As they say - if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying."

Sorry, fellow Hawks fans, but IMO, this is getting embarrassing. A few more takes like this and we're going to be the official jokes of the NFL fan community. Fans who embrace cheating??!! Really? Is this really how we want to be seen by the rest of the NFL? Keep it up and we'll have the most hated team in the league along with the most hated fans. We ought to be better than that.

Why do you care about what other fan bases think?

Because we're sensitive Seattle people.

 

[LymonHawk]

Well, if people are going to call us cheaters, I hope we don't win the SB...it would be soooo embarrassing! LOL! LOL! LOL!

I couldn't stand it! LOL! LOL!

 

[ImTheScientist]

Hans Gruber, master criminal: "As they say - if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying."

Sorry, fellow Hawks fans, but IMO, this is getting embarrassing. A few more takes like this and we're going to be the official jokes of the NFL fan community. Fans who embrace cheating??!! Really? Is this really how we want to be seen by the rest of the NFL? Keep it up and we'll have the most hated team in the league along with the most hated fans. We ought to be better than that.

Can you remind me when the Seahawks WEREN'T the jokes of the nfl fan community? Why should I care now?

I've listened to trash talk from other fans my entire life. In the 1980's, it was that we'd never been to the big game. In the 90's, we were the Bungles, perennially losing at everything, terrible drafts, an owner who wanted to move, etc. In the oughts, we sucked too bad to stay in the afc, or we were whiners who couldn't let go of XL. Even recently, we get laughed at for Pete the cheat, TJack, etc.

If you're worried about what other fans think, you're rooting for the wrong team.

That's why I'm loving the cheat talk. Whatever. Just means we finally have a good team that can compete every year. People are jealous. Don't care. Let other fans talk about us if they want. I'm too busy enjoying Russellmania to care.

lol...was going to say the same thing, but didn't want to rile people up.

 

[razgriz737]

I think there's a difference between laughing off/relishing in the "cheaters" talk and actually applauding the cheating itself. The former is fine, but the latter baffles me.

 

[HansGruber]

I think there's a difference between laughing off/relishing in the "cheaters" talk and actually applauding the cheating itself. The former is fine, but the latter baffles me.

I haven't seen anyone applaud "cheating". I'm not convinced that cheating has occurred.

Also, my point is that few things annoy me more than complaints of cheating. I'm not just saying that because the Seahawks are currently the accused. It annoyed me when people were convinced that "cheating" occurred in XL. The simple fact is that if the Seahawks had stepped up and played like champs vs chumps, they would have won that game - regardless of any "cheating" that occurred.

To keep it simple: Does anyone believe the Seahawks are actually doing anything that other teams in the NFL are not? I find this exceedingly hard to believe. While it is troubling that we have had so many PED violations, I don't believe that our team is doing anything institutionally that would constitute cheating, and I don't believe the Seahawks are encouraging PED use.

In fact, I find that conclusion to be a rather lazy one, with a clear agenda by those who promote it. And as with most lazy conclusions, it is conveniently hard to disprove by the accused.

 

[AbsolutNET]

To keep it simple: Does anyone believe the Seahawks are actually doing anything that other teams in the NFL are not?

How come no other teams have as many violations as we do? Do you believe they are masking it better or being tested less?

 

[formido]

All the attention is good, all of it. From Sherman to the whining about PEDs. In 2005, the NFL wouldn't let us win. I'm not talking about some grand, pre-planned conspiracy. I'm talking about the way perception affects outcomes. In general, in major sports, you're not "allowed" to win until you've spent enough time in the public eye being considered good, getting a lot of press. This is why I love Sherman's constant drawing attention to us. Teams that fly under the radar are teams that don't win the Super Bowl. But everyone knows us now. Refs don't cheat you for taking PEDs. They cheat you because somewhere in the back of their minds, you don't belong. You're not supposed to be that good on the field. If you might be taking PEDs, that's all the more reason to think some of the close plays were really Seahawk wins.

I watched the Sherman mic'd up and I noticed the ref warning him. Sherman said, "Call it then." Did the ref call it? Nope, because refs reward bullies and the Seahawks are bullies now.

I don't think Carroll is causing this. I think he probably would love to put a stop to it, but it IS a fact that he puts more pressure on players than most other coaches and that's a competing force. The equilibrium is where it is right now. It's at SB favorites and 6 nicks for PED use. He can't stop with WinForever, so he's got to find effective processes to ameliorate the downsides.

I bet there are other teams with just as big a problem with PEDs as we have. I'm irritated Hawks are taking PEDs and more irritated that they're taking them when there's apparently this high a risk of getting caught. I can't pretend to know how many players are taking them or what the risk/reward profile is, and neither can anyone here. And those facts are essential to evaluating the ethics and reasonableness of the players' actions.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I bet there are other teams with just as big a problem with PEDs as we have. I'm irritated Hawks are taking PEDs and more irritated that they're taking them when there's apparently this high a risk of getting caught. I can't pretend to know how many players are taking them or what the risk/reward profile is, and neither can anyone here. And those facts are essential to evaluating the ethics and reasonableness of the players' actions.

Plenty of teams have this happen. Their fans are not freaking out though. Odd.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pl ... by_the_NFL

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

Lol, What a moronic statement by king.

Well it is Peter King you're talking about what do you expect?