Do We Officially Ride the Cheater Label in 2013?

[HawkWow]

Being the 2nd youngest team in the league is 90% upside. I think our rash of PED busts fall under the other 10%. As young as we are, I question whether or not we have an absolute leader (on the D side). Someone needs to step up. ..and soon.

It's been reported that Winfield is such a guy, but it's unlikely he will be with us for very long. I am hopeful his locker room demeanor / presense will rub off on a guy like Earl (who will be with us for a long time).

It's starting to feel like the inmates have the keys to the asylum aka USC North.

Pete needs to lay the law down on all of this extra-curricular stuff. As much as some of you believe he is just so cuddly cute with his antics, I think Sherman should be the first to have a sit-down with Pete and JS. "Toning things down" should start with him, IMO.

It appears many of you don't care how we win..as long as we win. I assume this is the new, short attention span generation that prefers the quick gratification of MMA to boxing (as an example). I think most of us that have followed this team since it's inception would prefer to win clean (and asterisk free).

In summary:
1) We need a defensive leader.

2) Sherm needs to STFU.

3) Pete, after drafting even more players with "character issues", needs to maintain a very tight leash, starting immediately.

4) Go Hawks (but go with dignity).

Thinks me.

1) We kind of do: Clemons, Bryant, Mebane, and now Chanchellor is getting paid now to be leaders. But you guys are seriously talking about character now? These YOUNG guys got caught with Adderall, big whoop, its not like their taking HGH, or roids, or smoking up weed. Or physically abusing women.

In Holmgren's day, he drafted Stevens who an unconvicted rapist had his fair of troubles in Arizona, Locklear and Fisher physically abused their Girlfriends, we all know about Hill, and even Kerney allowed someone to be raped in his house.

2) I rather not have Sherman shut up, defenses need to have attitude, and Sherman knows what he is exactly doing, he's smarter than his persona and ego, and he does what he does to get under other player's skin. I like that. What CB is going to go up to Tom Brady and talk trash to his face. As long as a player can walk the walk, I don't care if he talks the talk. Its fun when Sherman's reputation makes an offensive lineman attack him when he's only having a friendly convo with opposition's QB.

3) While I agree with this statement but unless a team hires a person to babysit every member of the team, players are going to do what they feel. Its their choice and they'll face the consequences. But this isn't Tim Ruskell's team but its not exactly like were the Bengals.

4) GO Hawks but if you want absolute perfection, get over it.

1) We "kind of" have a leader? That's like being "kind of" pregnant. We either do or we don't, and IF we do, he's obviously not leading very effectively. "Big whoop"? WTF? Not only is this a 4 game suspension, but it's also going to slow his MUCH needed progress. Please tell me you don't seriously believe this was just about Adderall. It is becoming clear the Adderall is a clever excuse (as the league is not allowed from stating the real findings IE: Player is juicing so he adds the adderall. Bust comes down...it was Adderall, which will make the naive say "Big whoop".

2) Sherman definitely needs to shut up. Do you think him calling out the NFL and then gloating that he got away with his act of stupidity is not going to have a negative impact on our team as a whole? He is painting targets on our backs. He made his point, got his 15 mnutes and he'll get his money. Now it's time to give it a rest.

3) IF Pete is going to draft players with questionable backgrounds, it will be his responsibility to babysit them if necessary. IF the player F's up he needs to be dealt with immediately. As I said prevously, the team should impose a penalty on Irvin as well and if that don't work...move him. Some of you are taking the stance that we really don't need him anyway. OK...what if he was essential to us. What if he was as important to the D as Wilson is to the O? What would your position be then?

4) Asking players to abide by the same rules, that every player is asked to abide by, is not exactly asking for "perfection". I don't know you (so don't take this the wrong way) but based on your commentary, it appears your idea of perfection is my idea of ordinary. I could be wrong.

 

[Coug_Hawk08]

Some crazy overreactions and accusations going on here. It's almost as bad as gameday forum after a loss.

 

[themunn]

2) Sherman definitely needs to shut up. Do you think him calling out the NFL and then gloating that he got away with his act of stupidity is not going to have a negative impact on our team as a whole? He is painting targets on our backs. He made his point, got his 15 mnutes and he'll get his money. Now it's time to give it a rest.

Painting a target on our backs is EXACTLY what I want for the team.

Now there are 13 teams we are playing next year looking at their schedules saying "man, I want to beat the Seahawks so bad this year". They raise their game and that makes us raise our game.

It's better to be hated than irrelevant in this game

 

[NinerBuff]

Most NFL fans have short memories. By the end of the year, most people wont even remember these suspensions. The only detrimental aspect to these suspensions is that the Hawk's pass-rush will be very thin for the first few games. And if Lynch gets a suspension (which is possible, but doubtful), it will hinder the running and passing attack as well.

Now, it doesn't seem to be a coincidence that this many Seahawks have tested positive in such a short period of time. It seems that the NFL has been targeting the Seahawks and/or the Seahawks are the worst cheaters. I wonder how much control or lack-there-of Pete Carroll actually has in the locker room.

It does seem to benefit the 49ers in Seattle, but it really doesn't change much in terms of the outcome. Now the Lynch suspension would be significant, but like I said, doubtful it will happen.

 

[seahawksflow]

seahawksflow siad: That is the problem. Either these guys are stupid and selfish enough to effect the entire team and organization for a party drug that according to you does nothing for their on field performance. Or they are taking something else and just riding the Adderall label. I would think they are not selfish enough to bring consequences on the entire organization for a night of partying... but then that would insinuate something worse. Either way, it says nothing good about a chunk of the guys in the locker room.


Maybe you have never made a bad decision when you were out partying. I have. These guys are young. Get some booze in em and a hot girl teasing them and the idea of partying all night probably sounds pretty good.

You ever wake up the morning after and regret something you did or said?

So your insinuating more than 10% of the roster getting caught for party mistakes?! I'm not sure what is worse, the fact they would choose to party and bring consequences on their own team... or if they were to take real performance enhancing drugs. IF that is the case, talk about selfish. I would have trouble warranting having a guy on the team if he was going out of his way to use PEDs to cheat. I would have more trouble warranting a player on my team if he caused the same consequences but so he could fit in at a party.

And no I have never woke up in the morning and regretted something that I did that screwed over every single one of my TEAMates and anyone associated with the entire company I work with. It is a mixture of being responsible and not being an idiot. But if you can pay me a couple millions of dollars a year to do what I LOVE and surround me by guys who can make sure I'm not making regret that hurt everyone in my company... I sure as hell can gurantee you I will never wake up from a party and regret screwing over the entire org.

As for masking. Think about it. You are implying they know the real information will never come out so they are attempting damage control by selecting a less perceived drug. Don't you think they would select a drug like Marijuana instead of a substance that has previously been tied to performance enhancing?

No they would not select Marijuana because Marijuana is under the substance abuse policy. Adderall is viewed as the lowest on the totem pole in PEDs. It has become widely accepted that players "leak" adderall just to help media backlash and save face... it has even been talked about here in this very thread.

It is a little too convenient that every guy is claiming adderall. Clearly they are stupid, but they aren't THAT stupid. As in they aren't that stupid to bring consequences upon themselves, teammates, the entire org., and the whole fan base just so they can have some adderall that according to most here would have zero effect on their playing ability.

 

[Zebulon Dak]

Some crazy overreactions and accusations going on here. It's almost as bad as gameday forum after a loss.

Hahahaha it's bad but it's not THAT bad.

 

[RichNhansom]

seahawksflow siad: That is the problem. Either these guys are stupid and selfish enough to effect the entire team and organization for a party drug that according to you does nothing for their on field performance. Or they are taking something else and just riding the Adderall label. I would think they are not selfish enough to bring consequences on the entire organization for a night of partying... but then that would insinuate something worse. Either way, it says nothing good about a chunk of the guys in the locker room.


Maybe you have never made a bad decision when you were out partying. I have. These guys are young. Get some booze in em and a hot girl teasing them and the idea of partying all night probably sounds pretty good.

You ever wake up the morning after and regret something you did or said?

So your insinuating more than 10% of the roster getting caught for party mistakes?! I'm not sure what is worse, the fact they would choose to party and bring consequences on their own team... or if they were to take real performance enhancing drugs. IF that is the case, talk about selfish. I would have trouble warranting having a guy on the team if he was going out of his way to use PEDs to cheat. I would have more trouble warranting a player on my team if he caused the same consequences but so he could fit in at a party.


Where did I say fit in at a party? I am implying bad judgement brought on by making important decisions when you are inebriated. These guys are young and still partying. Maybe your mister perfect but I certainly wasn't at their age and I am man enough to admit it.

And no I have never woke up in the morning and regretted something that I did that screwed over every single one of my TEAMates and anyone associated with the entire company I work with. It is a mixture of being responsible and not being an idiot. But if you can pay me a couple millions of dollars a year to do what I LOVE and surround me by guys who can make sure I'm not making regret that hurt everyone in my company... I sure as hell can gurantee you I will never wake up from a party and regret screwing over the entire org.

As for masking. Think about it. You are implying they know the real information will never come out so they are attempting damage control by selecting a less perceived drug. Don't you think they would select a drug like Marijuana instead of a substance that has previously been tied to performance enhancing?

No they would not select Marijuana because Marijuana is under the substance abuse policy. Adderall is viewed as the lowest on the totem pole in PEDs. It has become widely accepted that players "leak" adderall just to help media backlash and save face... it has even been talked about here in this very thread.

Someone else already pointed that out. I wasn't aware of the different types of testing. My bad. You really come off as extremely uptight. You need to relax a little.

It is a little too convenient that every guy is claiming adderall. Clearly they are stupid, but they aren't THAT stupid. As in they aren't that stupid to bring consequences upon themselves, teammates, the entire org., and the whole fan base just so they can have some adderall that according to most here would have zero effect on their playing ability.

 

[ImTheScientist]

2) Sherman definitely needs to shut up. Do you think him calling out the NFL and then gloating that he got away with his act of stupidity is not going to have a negative impact on our team as a whole? He is painting targets on our backs. He made his point, got his 15 mnutes and he'll get his money. Now it's time to give it a rest.

Sherman doesn't need to shut up. He is just what this town and team has needed for years. Some of you guys are so Ruskell-like....blows my mind.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Some crazy overreactions and accusations going on here. It's almost as bad as gameday forum after a loss.

lol.... I REALLY wish posts were not erased after a certain time period. It promotes wild overreactions imo. Last season was my first on this message board and there were guys wanting to fire Bevell, PC, Flynn should start, one dude "quit being a fan" after the loss to the Dolphins saying he has given up on the team for good.....only to post two weeks later non-stop.

People just know what they wrote will eventually be erased.

 

[Zebulon Dak]

Some crazy overreactions and accusations going on here. It's almost as bad as gameday forum after a loss.

lol.... I REALLY wish posts were not erased after a certain time period. It promotes wild overreactions imo. Last season was my first on this message board and there were guys wanting to fire Bevell, PC, Flynn should start, one dude "quit being a fan" after the loss to the Dolphins saying he has given up on the team for good.....only to post two weeks later non-stop.

People just know what they wrote will eventually be erased.

Wouldn't change a thing. Sports fans are emotional and irrational and have opinions and are going to voice them even if they are hilarious and sad at the same time.

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

Being the 2nd youngest team in the league is 90% upside. I think our rash of PED busts fall under the other 10%. As young as we are, I question whether or not we have an absolute leader (on the D side). Someone needs to step up. ..and soon.

It's been reported that Winfield is such a guy, but it's unlikely he will be with us for very long. I am hopeful his locker room demeanor / presense will rub off on a guy like Earl (who will be with us for a long time).

It's starting to feel like the inmates have the keys to the asylum aka USC North.

Pete needs to lay the law down on all of this extra-curricular stuff. As much as some of you believe he is just so cuddly cute with his antics, I think Sherman should be the first to have a sit-down with Pete and JS. "Toning things down" should start with him, IMO.

It appears many of you don't care how we win..as long as we win. I assume this is the new, short attention span generation that prefers the quick gratification of MMA to boxing (as an example). I think most of us that have followed this team since it's inception would prefer to win clean (and asterisk free).

In summary:
1) We need a defensive leader.

2) Sherm needs to STFU.

3) Pete, after drafting even more players with "character issues", needs to maintain a very tight leash, starting immediately.

4) Go Hawks (but go with dignity).

Thinks me.

1) We kind of do: Clemons, Bryant, Mebane, and now Chanchellor is getting paid now to be leaders. But you guys are seriously talking about character now? These YOUNG guys got caught with Adderall, big whoop, its not like their taking HGH, or roids, or smoking up weed. Or physically abusing women.

In Holmgren's day, he drafted Stevens who an unconvicted rapist had his fair of troubles in Arizona, Locklear and Fisher physically abused their Girlfriends, we all know about Hill, and even Kerney allowed someone to be raped in his house.

2) I rather not have Sherman shut up, defenses need to have attitude, and Sherman knows what he is exactly doing, he's smarter than his persona and ego, and he does what he does to get under other player's skin. I like that. What CB is going to go up to Tom Brady and talk trash to his face. As long as a player can walk the walk, I don't care if he talks the talk. Its fun when Sherman's reputation makes an offensive lineman attack him when he's only having a friendly convo with opposition's QB.

3) While I agree with this statement but unless a team hires a person to babysit every member of the team, players are going to do what they feel. Its their choice and they'll face the consequences. But this isn't Tim Ruskell's team but its not exactly like were the Bengals.

4) GO Hawks but if you want absolute perfection, get over it.

1) We "kind of" have a leader? That's like being "kind of" pregnant. We either do or we don't, and IF we do, he's obviously not leading very effectively. "Big whoop"? WTF? Not only is this a 4 game suspension, but it's also going to slow his MUCH needed progress. Please tell me you don't seriously believe this was just about Adderall. It is becoming clear the Adderall is a clever excuse (as the league is not allowed from stating the real findings IE: Player is juicing so he adds the adderall. Bust comes down...it was Adderall, which will make the naive say "Big whoop".

2) Sherman definitely needs to shut up. Do you think him calling out the NFL and then gloating that he got away with his act of stupidity is not going to have a negative impact on our team as a whole? He is painting targets on our backs. He made his point, got his 15 mnutes and he'll get his money. Now it's time to give it a rest.

3) IF Pete is going to draft players with questionable backgrounds, it will be his responsibility to babysit them if necessary. IF the player F's up he needs to be dealt with immediately. As I said prevously, the team should impose a penalty on Irvin as well and if that don't work...move him. Some of you are taking the stance that we really don't need him anyway. OK...what if he was essential to us. What if he was as important to the D as Wilson is to the O? What would your position be then?

4) Asking players to abide by the same rules, that every player is asked to abide by, is not exactly asking for "perfection". I don't know you (so don't take this the wrong way) but based on your commentary, it appears your idea of perfection is my idea of ordinary. I could be wrong.

1) I said kind of because they are still players establishing their roles, still growing in their positions... if you hadn't noticed a few years ago the Seahawks sort of just wiped their dry erase board clean and started over.... Seahawks are a young team... young people make mistakes.

Seahawks had teams with much more veteran presence, and they still had players that ran amuck with the law, even with goody two shoes Ruskell running the show... And yes BIG ******* WHOOP, just be thankful that are players are just messing around with Adderall... they aren't committing felonies, they aren't physically abusing women, they aren't drinking and driving, smoking pot, snorting coke or abusing other substances.... that's why I say big whoop. They are plenty of stuff they could be doing and they are being busted for Adderall.

2) Boo hoo... Seahawks need to have a target on their back, and every team should hate playing the Seahawks, we aren't a finesse team anymore, so get over Sherman. He has a mouth, and backs it up with his play. He's Ray Lewis. He's James Harrison. Its not like he's Chris Culliver. Who cares if the Seahawks have a target, if they are, it makes the team better through the adversity of it. Quit crying, Seahawks have a top 5 defense, they can say whatever they want.

3/4) No, I just understand that sometimes players make mistakes... especially young ones, especially ones with great expectations. There are certain circumstance I'm sure we don't understand, and yes while you typically want your team to behave and make the right choices, it almost always don't work out that way. I want do you know about how the team disciplines its players. You don't. None of us knows what is going on behind the scenes even if we have access to the Real Rob Report. So stop acting like everyone of our players are heaven sent, and that they are incapable of making a mistake. Shit happens. Its not how it happens or why. Its how a young person grows from it, learns from it, and takes everything he has to become better from it.

Bruce Irvin made a mistake. Winston Guy made a mistake. Browner made a mistake. Everyone has made a mistake. Is your life so perfect, that you never made a mistake or a wrong decision, can you stand up on pedestal, can you sit on your high horse, and say that you're perfect.

I bet you can't.

Drugs or no drugs. I love this team. I want them to make the right decisions but if they don't, I only hope they can learn and other can learn from their mistakes. Because everyone makes them, even those who live their life in perfection.

 

[Seahwkgal]

I still believe that Sherman was/is clean. I also think he knows that some of his teammates are not. If his sample was tainted due to improper testing techniques, I can't blame him for fighting it and knowing he would not be suspended. Sherman is a very intelligent and smart. I am getting sick of some here that want him to STFU. He never says anything that is bad, is constantly promoting his charities and backs up his confidence with his play on the field.

Now, as far as the other guys that tested positive....That is another story. They knew they were guilty.

 

[CaptainSkybeard]

All I can say is, the same contingent at work that FINALLY stopped talking about Sherman/Browner and The GB game are like kids in a candy store now. Honestly, it was annoying last year but this is truly pissing me off. The season hasn't even started yet and people are going to discount every achievement they make next year.

Sorry but perception does matter. When a team gets written into the history books of the NFL, its pretty much ALL about perception.

 

[Anonymous]

Being labeled "cheaters" or not is irrelevant once the games start being played.

The NFL will have conducted enough random testing, perhaps even re-testing players they suspect. Officials will have witnessed plays and made calls, the win column will reflect the team's accomplishments, and we will all be happy. The media will do what it does, fans of other teams will say what they will, but the situation for us will be just where we like it: leading the division, leading the statistical columns, and confidence will be high.

What a great time to be a Seattle Seahawks fan.

Next topic?

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

I still believe that Sherman was/is clean. I also think he knows that some of his teammates are not. If his sample was tainted due to improper testing techniques, I can't blame him for fighting it and knowing he would not be suspended. Sherman is a very intelligent and smart. I am getting sick of some here that want him to STFU. He never says anything that is bad, is constantly promoting his charities and backs up his confidence with his play on the field.

Now, as far as the other guys that tested positive....That is another story. They knew they were guilty.

Exactly. And notice how they stood up and took the punishment no complaint? It's time to move on already.

 

[volsunghawk]

Then obviously you're not looking outside this forum. At the moment, if you go read anything Seahawks related on ESPN or NFL.com, you'll see it. Not only that, but it's typically other fan bases stirring the pot for Hawk fans that are offended by it. I don't think anyone here is looking for attention, and a guarantee you that Hawk fans didn't come up with any nicknames. Do your research before making ignorant comments about your own fanbase.

I am confused then. News is news, the media is reporting this as is expected. But at 4 sites i went to, not one is making up cute little Seaderall Hawks or similair names for our beloved team like i see a few doing here. I only see that here. Just saying, don't fan the flames, it is bad enough as it is.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100000 ... -violation

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/92870 ... four-games

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/ ... -a-pattern

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2 ... ce-enhanci

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/seat ... eds-051713



not one cute name...you sure this isn't just from those here looking for attention.

What? Did you read the comments in those links? There's mention of "Seadderall" in almost every comment thread.

Reading the comments section of any page on the interwebs is a good way to put yourself on the short road to suicide. It's where intelligence and decency go to die. Nothing in a comments section has or ever will mean anything.

 

[drdiags]

NFL Front offices having some fun. Saw this tweeted by Freeman of CBS Sportsline

NFL GM: "How do you stop a Seahawk? Take away his doctor's prescription pad."”

Depends on who you read the team is either tied with Deadskins or leading the league in suspensions. Kind of a corny joke but aren't most?

EDIT: And more of the expected backlash

Peter King of Sports Illustrated has this to say about the latest Seattle player being suspended for violating the league’s policy on performance enhancing drugs: “I think the Seahawks’ six suspensions for positive tests in the last two calendar years — only five players were sanctioned, because Richard Sherman’s ban last year was thrown out due to chain-of-custody issues — will make the 2014 free-agent period and draft very interesting for Seahawks GM John Schneider and coach Pete Carroll. They’ll almost have to draft and pursue Eagle Scouts because of all the recent violations; Seattle will have to show it’s serious about acquiring disciplined and mature players.”

Read more here: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks ... rylink=cpy

The luster is coming off the way the FO was doing things. After Wilson and the 2012 draft there was a perception change in how the FO was doing things. That is now all open to debate.

 

[razgriz737]

Reading the comments section of any page on the interwebs is a good way to put yourself on the short road to suicide. It's where intelligence and decency go to die. Nothing in a comments section has or ever will mean anything.

I agree. But I thought he was saying no one on those sites was mentioning "Seadderall" or other nicknames, when people actually were. I was just confused about what he was saying.

 

[twisted_steel2]

To the original question:

"Let them see that their words can cut you and you’ll never be free of the mockery. If they want to give you a name, take it and make it your own. Then they can’t hurt you with it anymore. Never forget who you are, for surely the world won’t. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armor yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you.” -Tyrion Lannister

If that's who were are, then that's who we are. Own it.

 

[BamKam]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest

Look at the first 11 teams on that list. 8 of them are playoff teams with 2 being fringe playoff teams and then the Cardinals.

People are crazy if they don't think every team doesn't cheat to a degree, it happens in EVERY sport. Some are just better at not getting caught and unfortunately we aren't one of those teams.