Coaching Up QB's, RB's and OLine Together

[LeveeBreak]

Article states they never saw PC coaches doing this. Hard to believe, but if not...just huh.

Anticipation to see the team in action is brutal right now!

Watch: Scott Huff coaches up Seahawks backfield with offensive line

Apparently this wasn't a thing during the Pete Carroll era.

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[NoGain]

Yup. It's still going to be wait and see with this O-line. But it's nice to see a change in philosophy.

 

[sutz]

Certainly makes sense to me. They all have to work together.

 

[nanomoz]

Greg Bell would know. But it makes sense to do this. It's a wait-and-see situation with the OL, but if Lucas comes back and Haynes settles in, it should be a lot better with just those two changes.

 

[pmedic920]

certainly nothing we should be complaining about, I like it.

 

[Jville]

Article states they never saw PC coaches doing this. Hard to believe, but if not...just huh.

Anticipation to see the team in action is brutal right now!

Watch: Scott Huff coaches up Seahawks backfield with offensive line

Apparently this wasn't a thing during the Pete Carroll era.

www.yahoo.com

With a willing QB, who describes himself as a "drop back pocket passer", better timing and cohesiveness can be realized. Repurposing scramble drill practice time with screen play practice time made itself evident last year. This years offense will flow even better as a unit. With, a fresh collection of coaches and players and approach in blending it all together.

The coaching era difference makes itself evident in choosing versatile players who excel at communicating and working exceptionally well together .... rather than relying on exceptional, but hard to find, develop and maintain, talent that excel at specific skills to deliver difference making outcomes in a timely manner.

In other words, better team work cohesion displaces hero ball as the primary goal for 2024.

 

[Sprfunk]

Only thing I would disagree with is the assertion that they ignored the oline. Nope, they just didn't draft/develop well. It's a stain on the previous regime (i hope it was not a JS problem too), regardless of how much I appreciate them.

 

[BlueTalon]

The O-line mess got an inauspicious start when the O-line guru we hired suddenly retired at the beginning of Pete's tenure. IIRC, we had gotten rid of some players like Spencer and Sims (again, IIRC), in order to go with lighter, more athletic players who could play in a zone blocking scheme. When Whatzizname retired, it threw a wrench in things, and our zone blocking scheme became a more conventional line with smaller guys in it. And since then, we've just never gotten it quite right.

I wouldn't trust the details of my memory on that, though, without checking it first.

 

[chris98251]

Gibbs retired and we hired a protege of his, can't remember his name since the revolving door of coaches has been long here for position guys.

 

[Jville]

The O-line mess got an inauspicious start when the O-line guru we hired suddenly retired at the beginning of Pete's tenure. IIRC, we had gotten rid of some players like Spencer and Sims (again, IIRC), in order to go with lighter, more athletic players who could play in a zone blocking scheme. When Whatzizname retired, it threw a wrench in things, and our zone blocking scheme became a more conventional line with smaller guys in it. And since then, we've just never gotten it quite right.

I wouldn't trust the details of my memory on that, though, without checking it first.

Joe Alex Gibbs was Carrol's choice for offensive line coach to start his era off in 2010. Gibbs suddenly retired from that coaching position prior to the start of the 2010 season. Art Valero and Luke Butkus were the two coaches that shared the role of offensive line coach in that first year. Pat Ruel was brought in as an assistant offensive line coach and served in that role with the Seahawks thru 2019. In 2011 Valero moved on to Tennessee which was his last year in the NFL. Luke Butkus was an assistant Seahawks offensive line coach / quality control coach in 2010 and 2011. Today, Luke Butkus (a former college center) is the offensive line coach for the Green Bay Packers. Joe Gibbs resurfaced for one year in 2011 as assistant head coach along with Tom Cable who was designated as assistant head coach / offensive line coach. Tom would serve in those capacities for 7 years. Tom was among the very first to recognize and publicly share knowlege with Seahawks fans of the short fall in offensive line talent coming out of the college ranks. He was also among the first to boadly look for posible solutions. J.R. Sweezy, who made the transition from defensive tackle to offensive guard during his rookie season is probably Tom's best known conversion success.

That should help with the details.

 

[Spin Doctor]

The O-line mess got an inauspicious start when the O-line guru we hired suddenly retired at the beginning of Pete's tenure. IIRC, we had gotten rid of some players like Spencer and Sims (again, IIRC), in order to go with lighter, more athletic players who could play in a zone blocking scheme. When Whatzizname retired, it threw a wrench in things, and our zone blocking scheme became a more conventional line with smaller guys in it. And since then, we've just never gotten it quite right.

I wouldn't trust the details of my memory on that, though, without checking it first.

Not necessarily the case here. Gibbs retired suddenly and was replaced by his assistants, they were implementing the same exact zone scheme that Gibbs employed. Tom Cable and Nolan are also guys that employed a similar zone blocking scheme. We never deviated from the Gibbs/Mike Shannahan style of zone blocking scheme.

We just were never able to develop our guys properly, that is what it amounts to. Not from lack of draft capital investment either. Ifedi, Okung, Carpenter and Cross were all first rounders, two of them being top 15 picks.

 

[Jville]

Not necessarily the case here. Gibbs retired suddenly and was replaced by his assistants, they were implementing the same exact zone scheme that Gibbs employed. Tom Cable and Nolan are also guys that employed a similar zone blocking scheme. We never deviated from the Gibbs/Mike Shannahan style of zone blocking scheme.

We just were never able to develop our guys properly, that is what it amounts to. Not from lack of draft capital investment either. Ifedi, Okung, Carpenter and Cross were all first rounders, two of them being top 15 picks.

I think "BlueTalon" is thinking of the power schemes Mike Solari favored during his first Seahawks stint during the 2008 and 2009 seasons. When Gibbs and then Cable arrived, it became all about zone blocking. Cable did surprise a couple of teams with some power blocking to catch an occasional opponent expecting zone. But that was infrequent. Pete Carroll made a very clear change in the blocking game when he arrived in Seattle in 2010.

 

[BASF]

Joe Gibbs was Carrol's choice for offensive line coach to start his era off in 2010. Gibbs suddenly retired from that coaching position prior to the start of the 2010 season. Art Valero and Luke Butkus were the two coaches that shared the role of offensive line coach in that first year. Pat Ruel was brought in as an assistant offensive line coach and served in that role with the Seahawks thru 2019. In 2011 Valero moved on to Tennessee which was his last year in the NFL. Luke Butkus was an assistant Seahawks offensive line coach / quality control coach in 2010 and 2011. Today, Luke Butkus (a former college center) is the offensive line coach for the Green Bay Packers. Joe Gibbs resurfaced for one year in 2011 as assistant head coach along with Tom Cable who was designated as assistant head coach / offensive line coach. Tom would serve in those capacities for 7 years. Tom was among the very first to recognize and publicly share knowlege with Seahawks fans of the short fall in offensive line talent coming out of the college ranks. He was also among the first to boadly look for posible solutions. J.R. Sweezy, who made the transition from defensive tackle to offensive guard during his rookie season is probably Tom's best known conversion success.

That should help with the details.

Great info, but you are thinking of Joe's son Alex. Joe was a little experienced to just be our offensive line coach.

 

[Jville]

Great info, but you are thinking of Joe's son Alex. Joe was a little experienced to just be our offensive line coach.

Woops ....

Thanks I'll edit that.

 

[Spin Doctor]

I think "BlueTalon" is thinking of the power schemes Mike Solari favored during his first Seahawks stint during the 2008 and 2009 seasons. When Gibbs and then Cable arrived, it became all about zone blocking. Cable did surprise a couple of teams with some power blocking to catch an occasional opponent expecting zone. But that was infrequent. Pete Carroll made a very clear change in the blocking game when he arrived in Seattle in 2010.

Yeah, that is what I was getting at. I was trying to say that Carroll favored the zoneblocking scheme his whole term here. Carroll talked a lot about Mike Shannahan's breed of the WCO when he first was hired, specifically about the blocking scheme --- which of course Gibbs himself was one of the main architects behind that style of blocking. I was saying how Carroll never really deviated from that ZBS during his tenure. Talon was trying to remember if they switched schemes after Gibbs retired.

 

[BlueTalon]

Thanks, guys.

 

[Hawkinaz]

Great info, but you are thinking of Joe's son Alex. Joe was a little experienced to just be our offensive line coach.

Alex Gibbs wasn’t Joe Gibbs son, Joe has 2 sons J.D and Cory

Joe and Alex were close to the same age Joe was 1 year older

 

[hawkfan68]

The O-line mess got an inauspicious start when the O-line guru we hired suddenly retired at the beginning of Pete's tenure. IIRC, we had gotten rid of some players like Spencer and Sims (again, IIRC), in order to go with lighter, more athletic players who could play in a zone blocking scheme. When Whatzizname retired, it threw a wrench in things, and our zone blocking scheme became a more conventional line with smaller guys in it. And since then, we've just never gotten it quite right.

I wouldn't trust the details of my memory on that, though, without checking it first.

Pat Ruel was hired to replace Alex Gibbs on the interim basis and then eventually Cable took over that job. I believe Ruel stayed on to be the assistant OL coach.

 

[Maelstrom787]

I just hope the coaches themselves are all on the same page. A lack of segmentation means that if one domino falls, all of the others are at risk as well.

That being said, I'm not reading much into this. This is a full install of a new offense. Not going to be a business-as-usual situation, in which I imagine we'll see more traditional groupings in practice.

 

[chris98251]

Well having the positions and the coaches as well as Mac and OC all in one place makes it easier to coordinate something new, now go further and look at all the new coaches assembled and having one thought and all having same verbiage and learning what they all need to teach, see, and react too is a smart move.

Mac may have laid ground work as well as Grubb, but teaching it live to the staff and players at the same time is much more efficient I would think, you have your meetings after practice to address communication and execution issues that everyone can relate too since they all were there.