Can the hawks pay the kicker

[SalishHawkFan]

You have to ask yourself two things when signing a kicker: 1: how much is a win worth to you? Because there will be several games during the year decided because one of the kickers missed a FG or your kicker won it on a FG. 2: If you don't pay Mr. Perfect you gotta ask yourself "Do I feel lucky?" Well, do ya' punk?

 

[cacksman]

Good question, I could see the arguments for both sides. I just remember people were upset about Brown and Mare leaving and now we have a kicker better than both.

My guess, is they would give him a slight bump for around 1 mil a year, but let him walk if he wants much more than that. Hopefully Hauschka has made a nice home in Seattle and likes winning.

 

[Missing_Clink]

Pretty amazing that our roster is so stacked and somehow we even have arguably the best kicker in the NFL. Probably going to be tough to keep him but he has absolutely proved his worth this year

 

[volsunghawk]

Hey, that Rian Lindell is pretty solid. Oh no, wait, why did we let him go? All is lost!

Oh, Josh Brown. He's pretty good, I guess.

...

Ugh, I can't believe Josh Brown left in FA! What a tool! What are we gonna do now?

Oh, Olindo Mare? He sucks!

Oh, actually, he's been pretty good.

...

WTF?! Why didn't we match Carolina for Olindo Mare?! He's been so good here!

What? WTF is a "Hauschka"?!?! This is terrible!

Oh, hey, he's been pretty consistent for us, and his range is getting better.

...

And thus the cycle of life continues...

I feel like this might be a good reason to lock up Haushcka here. We've had too many good kickers in a row. It's only a matter of time until the next guy we bring in is a Billy Cundiff.

You're missing the point. If we let Hauschka go, we won't just bring in a guy. We'll bring in 4 guys, and let them battle it out. And the most consistent guy will get the gig. No Cundiff necessary. And it's likely that new guy will give us about the same production we've had over the last decade.

And if he doesn't, for whatever reason. We cut him and bring in another guy.

Again, I like Hauschka, and if he'll agree to a long-term deal at a reasonable price point, I say lock him up. If not, let him walk.

 

[mikeak]

Unfortunately we didn't sign him to a long contract in the off-season. I think that we didn't believe his lenght was there. Lenght hasn't shown in the stats but those of us who have watched knows it is there. I don't think there is anyway that Hauscka gets under $2 million next year and there is no way he shouldn't. He needs to take the money and move on and good for him.

In regards to Sherman - yes he is under contract one more year. If anyone thinks he will play one more year under that contract you are either high or just don't understand football. There is NO WAY any player in the league would play that year under that contract and again - THEY SHOULDN'T. It is eligible to be re-negotiated after this year and it will be or he will sit out

 

[sutz]

Paying him "$2 mill/year" doesn't mean he counts $2 mill against the cap every year of the contract.

Cap gurus, please chime in and tell me I'm wrong. Franchising him would be a mistake in any event. Better to ink him to a 3-5 deal.

:229031_shrug:

 

[LawlessHawk]

Is there any other position in Football that seems to float around the league and swap teams more than the kicker? Seems like even the really good ones that have been in the league for years and years have been on a number of teams during their career. The Janikowski's of the world seem to be the rare exception.

And when you're a kicker its probably a really good idea to take the absolute best deal you can get when free agency rolls around, because they know themselves that they're considered "a dime a dozen" and they could be back to working the check-out line at the grocery store next week.

If the Hawks go on to win the super bowl, you can bet that every one of our free-agent's agents will be tacking on a "service charge" to those contract demands... the kicker included.

 

[mikeak]

Paying him "$2 mill/year" doesn't mean he counts $2 mill against the cap every year of the contract.

Cap gurus, please chime in and tell me I'm wrong. Franchising him would be a mistake in any event. Better to ink him to a 3-5 deal.

:229031_shrug:

While you are correct we are having to pay Sherman and RW within the next two years. That on top of a bunch of other players doesn't make the kicker a guy that they will want to defer to much money for. He will need $2million / year guaranteed for at least the first 2-3 years........ the money will hit somewhere

 

[razgriz737]

Hey, that Rian Lindell is pretty solid. Oh no, wait, why did we let him go? All is lost!

Oh, Josh Brown. He's pretty good, I guess.

...

Ugh, I can't believe Josh Brown left in FA! What a tool! What are we gonna do now?

Oh, Olindo Mare? He sucks!

Oh, actually, he's been pretty good.

...

WTF?! Why didn't we match Carolina for Olindo Mare?! He's been so good here!

What? WTF is a "Hauschka"?!?! This is terrible!

Oh, hey, he's been pretty consistent for us, and his range is getting better.

...

And thus the cycle of life continues...

I feel like this might be a good reason to lock up Haushcka here. We've had too many good kickers in a row. It's only a matter of time until the next guy we bring in is a Billy Cundiff.

You're missing the point. If we let Hauschka go, we won't just bring in a guy. We'll bring in 4 guys, and let them battle it out. And the most consistent guy will get the gig. No Cundiff necessary. And it's likely that new guy will give us about the same production we've had over the last decade.

And if he doesn't, for whatever reason. We cut him and bring in another guy.

Again, I like Hauschka, and if he'll agree to a long-term deal at a reasonable price point, I say lock him up. If not, let him walk.

Oh yeah, I agree. I was mostly just joking.

 

[SeaHawk80]

Draft the Fat kid from WSU hell be cheap and can kick it 60 + already. Sorry kickers are all around and there is no need to spend Earl's or Sherm's or Bennett's or Avril's money on him. Thanks for the memories.. Next

 

[rjdriver]

Franchise him again..

How about a transition tag? I heard that is always the way to go!


:sarcasm_off:

 

[nanomoz]

Franchise him again..

How about a transition tag? I heard that is always the way to go!


:sarcasm_off:

Yup. Still stings.

 

[TwilightError]

Its unbelievable how undervalued kickers are. Hauschka has won a number of games for us this year and many seem to think little of it. Pay the man as long as he hits the game winning field goals. I know its not the coolest position but its one of the most important ones when the result of the game is considered, and that is fairly important, right?

Franchising him is a good option. One year deals are good with kickers. The position is so delicate that a minor detail going wrong can set the kicker back. 2 mil for one year is OK too. 2-3 mil per year for 2-5 years is not smart.

The worst possible scenario is a team full of highly paid superstars and a cheap noodle-leg in the kicker position who cant get his nerves straight. So the offense puts the team in a position to win but the most important piece cant finish... Reliability is worth the price. Often teams pay too much for guys who can kick a 60 yarder but are shaky otherwise. Hauschka is 100% when in range and when the kick is not blocked. Its smart to pay for clutch.

 

[ChrisB Bacon]

Its unbelievable how undervalued kickers are. Hauschka has won a number of games for us this year and many seem to think little of it. Pay the man as long as he hits the game winning field goals. I know its not the coolest position but its one of the most important ones when the result of the game is considered, and that is fairly important, right?

Franchising him is a good option. One year deals are good with kickers. The position is so delicate that a minor detail going wrong can set the kicker back. 2 mil for one year is OK too. 2-3 mil per year for 2-5 years is not smart.

The worst possible scenario is a team full of highly paid superstars and a cheap noodle-leg in the kicker position who cant get his nerves straight. So the offense puts the team in a position to win but the most important piece cant finish... Reliability is worth the price. Often teams pay too much for guys who can kick a 60 yarder but are shaky otherwise. Hauschka is 100% when in range and when the kick is not blocked. Its smart to pay for clutch.

Maldenado from Oregon? :lol:

 

[LostInSF]

Still can't understand why the mentality of The Seahawks owners, board and fanbase is that we're a poor team struggling along and somehow can't afford to pay good players. This year will be a huge boon as far as revenue goes. Pay to retain the players we need.

 

[Throwdown]

This bye week is off to a BANG, we're worrying about re-signing the kicker... THE KICKER! Not a punter, no not a punter, the kicker.

 

[ChrisB Bacon]

Still can't understand why the mentality of The Seahawks owners, board and fanbase is that we're a poor team struggling along and somehow can't afford to pay good players. This year will be a huge boon as far as revenue goes. Pay to retain the players we need.

It's not baseball homeboy

 

[bigwrm]

Still can't understand why the mentality of The Seahawks owners, board and fanbase is that we're a poor team struggling along and somehow can't afford to pay good players. This year will be a huge boon as far as revenue goes. Pay to retain the players we need.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football

 

[volsunghawk]

Its unbelievable how undervalued kickers are. Hauschka has won a number of games for us this year and many seem to think little of it. Pay the man as long as he hits the game winning field goals. I know its not the coolest position but its one of the most important ones when the result of the game is considered, and that is fairly important, right?

Franchising him is a good option. One year deals are good with kickers. The position is so delicate that a minor detail going wrong can set the kicker back. 2 mil for one year is OK too. 2-3 mil per year for 2-5 years is not smart.

The worst possible scenario is a team full of highly paid superstars and a cheap noodle-leg in the kicker position who cant get his nerves straight. So the offense puts the team in a position to win but the most important piece cant finish... Reliability is worth the price. Often teams pay too much for guys who can kick a 60 yarder but are shaky otherwise. Hauschka is 100% when in range and when the kick is not blocked. Its smart to pay for clutch.

No, I think the worst possible scenario is not being able to extend a superstar because you dumped a load of cash on a kicker. Or not being able to build quality depth at crucial positions because you overspent on a guy who sees the field a handful of times per game.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think kickers are "uncool" or think that I'm undervaluing them. My point is that the difference between a Pro Bowl-level kicker and a journeyman is almost completely negligible. We're taking maybe 1 or 2 percentage points on average between those two levels. I'm not advocating cutting Hauschka and seeing if we can find a headcase of a kicker. I'm not suggesting we go TRY to find a guy with a bad kicking record just because he'd be cheap. But I damn sure don't think we should give Hauschka anything close to a contract that hampers our ability to retain our superstars and contributors at more important positions.

 

[HawkAroundTheClock]

I bet Genius John figures out how to keep 'em all (and keep 'em all happy) 8)