Can Geno start playing well against good defenses?

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I'm afraid Geno is going back to the Geno we all know. Good thing is that he'll be cheaper until we can get a franchise QB.
i started to think that way in the 2nd quarter but then realized that it was a knee jerk reaction. 9 decent games vs. one bad half. I think we're all kind of waiting for the other shoe to drop with Geno, but so far, he's proving us wrong. Right now, I'm on board. A handful more losses might be another story. The 'Hawks have enough winnable games left to make this a play off team. Geno, right now, is so much more than we were expecting. Everything from here is gravy!

Look at it this way. As of now, Geno is in the playoffs. Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady and Matthew Stafford aren't. Would you have taken that bet in September?
 

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It's a legit question. His fumble in the red zone was inexcusable, period. He played well in the 4th quarter, but when your team is sitting there with ZERO points in the half, the QB should shoulder at least some of the blame. Even if it seems taboo on here. This is exactly why I'm hoping they wait on the new deal. Still 7 games left, and a few tough ones. I wanna' see how he responds the rest of the season. He didn't play bad, just meh.

This isn't me saying I don't like Geno. I think he's been damn solid. I just want more, and that's not too much to ask.
But hey, I'll get told I'm moving the goalpost or some corny line like that. Don't care.
 

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It's a legit question. His fumble in the red zone was inexcusable, period. He played well in the 4th quarter, but when your team is sitting there with ZERO points in the half, the QB should shoulder at least some of the blame. Even if it seems taboo on here. This is exactly why I'm hoping they wait on the new deal. Still 7 games left, and a few tough ones. I wanna' see how he responds the rest of the season. He didn't play bad, just meh.

This isn't me saying I don't like Geno. I think he's been damn solid. I just want more, and that's not too much to ask.
But hey, I'll get told I'm moving the goalpost or some corny line like that. Don't care.

You only get told that you're moving the goalposts when you move the goalposts.
 

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He did end the game playing well. You can lay some blame on coaching for the poor start, but Geno did not start well - he looked lost and confused for far too much this game.
We saw it differently and thats fine
 

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On the real, though - statistically, he looks fine against these good defenses?

I mean, obviously he'd not be quite as good - otherwise defense simply wouldn't matter in the NFL. It's supposed to be hard to beat good defenses.

I'm not seeing significant regression against stout teams. He wasn't settled in the early part of the game and put it back together at the end. That's a good sign. He didn't go all Cam Newton and throw in the towel. He fought, and he had a damn good chance to win it at the end had the defense held.

Also, he played really well when considering just how futile the run game was. Hard to do much of anything when you're that one dimensional on offense.

It was a team loss. No one brought their A game.
 

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Before coming to the conclusion that a narrative of "Geno doesn't play well against good defenses?"

I'd need to see what other top 10-15 QB's stats are against these same good to elite defenses. Because I suspect the numbers look similar.

That's why they're great defenses right? They neutralize and make it hard for even great QB's.

Football is an all three phase game, to beat good teams you need to be good in all three phases. So I'm not quite ready to buy into this narrative that Geno plays poorly against good defenses because so do most QB's.
 

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Seahawks have played three top 10 defenses this year (1-2):

DEN #2 DVOA, #2 yds/gm, #2 pts/gm
W 17-16, 23/28, 195, 2/0, 119.5

SF #9 DVOA, #1 yds/gm, #6 pts/gm
L 27-7, 24/30, 197, 0/1, 80.2

TB #7 DVOA, #7 yds/gm, #5 pts/gm
L 21-16, 23/33, 275, 2/0, 115.1

Games against lesser defenses (5-2):

ATL #29 DVOA, #31 yds/gm, #27 pts/gm
L 27-23, 32/44, 325, 2/1, 99.2

DET #26 DVOA, #32 yds/gm, #32 pts/gm
W 48-45, 23/30, 320, 2/0, 132.6

NO #16 DVOA, #11 yds/gm, #29 pts/gm
L 39-32, 16/25, 268, 10.7, 3/0, 139.7

ARI #21 DVOA, #26 yds/gm, #31 pts/gm
W 19-9, 20/31, 197, 0/0, 82.3
W 31/21, 26/34, 275, 2/1, 106.9

LAC #17 DVOA, #17 yds/gm, #30 pts/gm
W 37-23, 20/27, 210, 2/1, 105.5

NYG #25 DVOA, #21 yds/gm, #9 pts/gm
W 27-13, 23/34, 212, 2/0, 104.0

I see a lot of #28-32 defensive rankings against teams we've played so far. A couple of defenses like that left to face, but overall the defenses in the future look stronger than the defenses already played.

Remaining defenses to play:

LV #32 DVOA, #28 yds/gm, #28 pt/gm

LAR (x2) #13 DVOA, #9 yds/gm, #17 pts/gm

CAR #28 DVOA, #22 yds/gm, #23 pts/gm

SF #9 DVOA, #1 yds/gm, #6 pts/gm

KC #23 DVOA, #20 yds/gm, #20 pts/gm

NYJ #6 DVOA, #8 yds/gm, #8 pts/gm

Geno will need to up his game against LAR (x2), SF, and NYJ. He'll also have to ball against KC because their offense will probably shred our D.

That's 5 very challenging games remaining out of 7. Can Geno impress us and start playing well against the better defensive teams we face?

I hope so.
So, two of his four top rated games were against the #2 and #7 DVOA rated defenses. It seems a bit disingenuous to show that as being the problem. Obviously those teams did better against our run game, making our offense more one dimensional and Geno had two of his best four games. Weird take.
 

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So, two of his four top rated games were against the #2 and #7 DVOA rated defenses. It seems a bit disingenuous to show that as being the problem. Obviously those teams did better against our run game, making our offense more one dimensional and Geno had two of his best four games. Weird take.

I know it's weird to say, but other than the Niner game, Geno Smith has not been the problem in our losses, and wasn't yesterday either. Even with the bad fumble.

Now having said this, yeah we still haven't seen Geno win a game in the last two minutes, etc. That's certainly something we'd like to check off his box before handing him a big extension in the off season.

But hey defense, how bout you stop the Bucs with 2-3 minutes left so Geno has the CHANCE to win the game late. How bout that.
 

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Good points. But he also fumbled in the red zone. If you can't even see that he contributed, you never will. TEAM loss, and his fumble changed the entire game.
 

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Good points. But he also fumbled in the red zone. If you can't even see that he contributed, you never will. TEAM loss, and his fumble changed the entire game.

I've acknowledged that Geno fumbled, and it contributed to the loss.

Not sure why this is the hill you keep dying on, but here we are. But if you'd like to get into a pissing match over what contributed more for yesterdays loss, yeah let's get crazy Soulfish.

1. Awful defensive play, especially in the run game and 3rd down defense.
2. Coaching staff and players not rising to the level of physicality and scheme of the Bucs.
3. Inability of the Hawk's O-line and RB's to get the run game going making the offense one dimensional with WAY too many 3rd and longs.
4. Waldron and Pete calling an awful game. Where were the three TE sets and roll outs that have worked so well? No creativity.
12. Geno's fumble.

There you go. Can we stop talking about it now?
 
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I know it's weird to say, but other than the Niner game, Geno Smith has not been the problem in our losses, and wasn't yesterday either. Even with the bad fumble.

Now having said this, yeah we still haven't seen Geno win a game in the last two minutes, etc. That's certainly something we'd like to check off his box before handing him a big extension in the off season.

But hey defense, how bout you stop the Bucs with 2-3 minutes left so Geno has the CHANCE to win the game late. How bout that.
In the 3 games, the Geno-led offense scored, by half:

17/0
0/0
0/16

We can argue situations and stats and coaching and whatever else we want to, but that is not playing well enough to win games.

Geno will be facing 4 more good defenses (+1 great offense) in the next 7 games. I'm looking forward to seeing him elevate his game in the second half of the season.
 

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Geno will be facing 4 more good defenses (+1 great offense) in the next 7 games. I'm looking forward to seeing him elevate his game in the second half of the season.

And in those games the defense, run game and coaching staff will need to play better than they did yesterday, or in the other losses this year.

I'm not absolving Geno. But if you're looking for a QB that can put a team on his back and/or win games when his defense plays like crap?

Then you've got the wrong guy. Geno Smith is Ryan Tannehill, not Patrick Mahomes. He can make some throws, move an offense and win you games when your entire team is playing well. When the entire team isn't playing well? Then he's going to struggle.
 

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Our offensive players not named Geno Smith combined for 17 yards rushing on 10 carries. 17 yards rushing on 10 carries.

If the suggestion here is that Geno should be able to carry that complete lack of production to victory then that might be one of the most positive things I've seen written about him yet.

Would Brady have have won yesterday if his running game produced only 17 yards rushing on 10 carries?
 

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Funny how bent out of shape you get over Geno Smith, Largent. God forbid someone has an opinion on our QB.
 

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Funny how bent out of shape you get over Geno Smith, Largent. God forbid someone has an opinion on our QB.

Dude, you're the only one getting bent out of shape here. You're doing this to basically any post about Geno Smith. You don't see the hypocrisy in saying things like "God forbid someone has an opinion on our QB," as you deride a post/poster stating an opinion about our QB?

It's not even over-the-top praise. He called Geno "Ryan Tannehill."

I have literally zero clue at this point what your motivation for these posts even is anymore
 
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