Can Geno start playing well against good defenses?

[SoulfishHawk]

Fair enough, noted

 

[N3putts@]

Geno is 10x better than Tannehill. Lets be for real.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Geno is 10x better than Tannehill. Lets be for real.

Not really.

Look at Tannehill's stats since he's been with the Titans. Hell, in 2020 he was an MVP candidate. Hovers around 100 for QBR, really good TD to interception ratio.

https://media.tenor.com/rZ3WMxQkz6IAAAAM/i-know-pretty-much-all-the-dad-jokes-dad-joke-connoisseur.gif

Doesn't look a whole lot different than Geno's stats this year. My point is that's the QB we have, and people are talking today like Geno had a terrible game and cost us the win. He didn't.

Wasn't his best game, but his play like Tannehill is going to ebb and flow with how the team is doing as a whole. So if fans are expecting more? Eh, they should lower their expectations.

 

[SPOHAWK]

We'll Geno looks fine, is playing fine...and stepped up to responsibility for his mistakes and frankly I don't miss the backward spin move and stepping into a sack and foolish throws over and over like some Bronco QB I know! #GOGENO!

 

[sdog1981]

Let's all relax. Geno has improved from god-awful unplayable to above average, he is basically an improved Case Keenum, who lead the Vikings to an 11-3 record and an NFC Championship game appearance.

Come to think of it the 2017 Vikings might be a pretty good comp to the 2022 Seahawks. They went into the season with Sam Bradford and Case Keenum as their QBs. Bradford got hurt after a 2-0 start Keenum took over and they finished 13-3. The offense had two good WRs in Adam Thielen and Stefon Diggs.

 

[knownone]

Not really.

Look at Tannehill's stats since he's been with the Titans. Hell, in 2020 he was an MVP candidate. Hovers around 100 for QBR, really good TD to interception ratio.

https://media.tenor.com/rZ3WMxQkz6IAAAAM/i-know-pretty-much-all-the-dad-jokes-dad-joke-connoisseur.gif

Doesn't look a whole lot different than Geno's stats this year. My point is that's the QB we have, and people are talking today like Geno had a terrible game and cost us the win. He didn't.

Wasn't his best game, but his play like Tannehill is going to ebb and flow with how the team is doing as a whole. So if fans are expecting more? Eh, they should lower their expectations.

The Tannehill vs. Geno comparison comes down to how much you value advanced stats. For example, Tannehill is average to below average in just about every statistic besides pressure comp% and play-action comp%, which makes sense considering he's playing with an all-time great RB. Meanwhile, Geno is elite to above-average everywhere and doesn't have any glaring holes statistically.

So I think the expectations for him are fair. He's performing similarly to Dak or Cousins, and the question for me is whether he can carry the team when things aren't going well. He hasn't proven it yet, but I do think he's in a tier above Tannehill.

 

[FrodosFinger]

He balled out against the Saints and Giants. The flow of the game depends on many things including stoppage on 3rd down which Seattle did poorly in the losses but look at the penalties and turnovers in the losses. Very telling

 

[DarkVictory23]

The thing I want to highlight here is that Geno really only had one bad quarter (2nd) and then one weird mistake outside of that quarter. Outside of that, he was actually good and when we finally went all in on Geno leading the offense (2nd half), we were so, so much better than before that.

First half, we had a 1.9 to 1 ratio of pass/QB runs to Walker handoffs. The 1.9 were plays that were 'on Geno' had an average gain of 3.8 yards (even including those big sacks!) whereas the handoffs had an average gain of 1.1 yards. Not even close to the same production.

Second half, we only handed off to Walker 3 times (!) out of 31 offensive plays. We went from handing the ball off on more than 1 out of every 3 plays to less than 1 out of 10, and our offensive production went through the roof.

We put the game in Geno's hands in the second half and he led us into scoring position on every single one of those drives and would have scored on them all as well if only that weird fumble thing didn't happen.

Two straight 4th quarter drives that were 100% on him, no running game to speak of, that both end in TDs while the team is down by two scores absolutely looks like 'carrying the team when things aren't going well' if you ask me.

 

[Bear-Hawk]

Why

Seahawks have played three top 10 defenses this year (1-2):

DEN #2 DVOA, #2 yds/gm, #2 pts/gm
W 17-16, 23/28, 195, 2/0, 119.5

SF #9 DVOA, #1 yds/gm, #6 pts/gm
L 27-7, 24/30, 197, 0/1, 80.2

TB #7 DVOA, #7 yds/gm, #5 pts/gm
L 21-16, 23/33, 275, 2/0, 115.1

Games against lesser defenses (5-2):

ATL #29 DVOA, #31 yds/gm, #27 pts/gm
L 27-23, 32/44, 325, 2/1, 99.2

DET #26 DVOA, #32 yds/gm, #32 pts/gm
W 48-45, 23/30, 320, 2/0, 132.6

NO #16 DVOA, #11 yds/gm, #29 pts/gm
L 39-32, 16/25, 268, 10.7, 3/0, 139.7

ARI #21 DVOA, #26 yds/gm, #31 pts/gm
W 19-9, 20/31, 197, 0/0, 82.3
W 31/21, 26/34, 275, 2/1, 106.9

LAC #17 DVOA, #17 yds/gm, #30 pts/gm
W 37-23, 20/27, 210, 2/1, 105.5

NYG #25 DVOA, #21 yds/gm, #9 pts/gm
W 27-13, 23/34, 212, 2/0, 104.0

I see a lot of #28-32 defensive rankings against teams we've played so far. A couple of defenses like that left to face, but overall the defenses in the future look stronger than the defenses already played.

Remaining defenses to play:

LV #32 DVOA, #28 yds/gm, #28 pt/gm

LAR (x2) #13 DVOA, #9 yds/gm, #17 pts/gm

CAR #28 DVOA, #22 yds/gm, #23 pts/gm

SF #9 DVOA, #1 yds/gm, #6 pts/gm

KC #23 DVOA, #20 yds/gm, #20 pts/gm

NYJ #6 DVOA, #8 yds/gm, #8 pts/gm

Geno will need to up his game against LAR (x2), SF, and NYJ. He'll also have to ball against KC because their offense will probably shred our D.

That's 5 very challenging games remaining out of 7. Can Geno impress us and start playing well against the better defensive teams we face?

I hope so.

Why are you making this all about Geno? There are 10 other guys who need to do their jobs, too. For example, the Bucs defense stopped Walker and the running game, which obviously affects Geno and the passing game.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

The Tannehill vs. Geno comparison comes down to how much you value advanced stats. For example, Tannehill is average to below average in just about every statistic besides pressure comp% and play-action comp%, which makes sense considering he's playing with an all-time great RB. Meanwhile, Geno is elite to above-average everywhere and doesn't have any glaring holes statistically.

So I think the expectations for him are fair. He's performing similarly to Dak or Cousins, and the question for me is whether he can carry the team when things aren't going well. He hasn't proven it yet, but I do think he's in a tier above Tannehill.

I think Geno's potential as a long term starter is a tier above Tannehill as well.

But if we're coming up with comps for 10 games into the first full season of Geno? Then Tannehill is about as close as we can come right now if we're using the normal QB metrics.

Because the metrics of what would put Geno on a higher tier are the things that we haven't seen out of him, like leading the offense in a two minute drill to win the game, having a 350 yard & 4 TD game to win when his defense is playing like crap.

Things like that haven't happened yet.

 

[FrodosFinger]

Pete likes both Geno and Drew. He knows the importance of having a good backup. Geno certainly isn’t perfect but I like a 3 year extension if they make the playoffs . He leads the league in many categories and top 5 in yards and 2nd in air yards behind Mahomes. He’s earned a reasonable 3 year incentive laden contract. Lock might be trade bait next draft.

 

[Appyhawk]

We have a lot of young guys who will need to prove themselves before game 1 and for them to do that would be a rarity. I look for us to have good days, but I also anticipate days that aren't good, just like last year. However, I do believe we will be better this year than we were last year. How that translates into W/L record I'm not sure because I'm not sure how many other teams are going to be better than they were last year. One thing I don't see is SF being better, or maybe even as good, as they were last year.
My goal this year is to win our division. I think we might be able to do that with 10 wins and maybe even less.

 

[FrodosFinger]

This is the year we slam the door shut on the 49ers SB window and retake our rightful place atop the division. They let Jimmy G walk and Trey Lance has the same cap hit as Geno but rides pine. I like Seattle 12-5, SF 9-8, LA 5-12, AZ 2-15

 

[CallMeADawg]

He did end the game playing well. You can lay some blame on coaching for the poor start, but Geno did not start well - he looked lost and confused for far too much this gam

Seahawks have played three top 10 defenses this year (1-2):

DEN #2 DVOA, #2 yds/gm, #2 pts/gm
W 17-16, 23/28, 195, 2/0, 119.5

SF #9 DVOA, #1 yds/gm, #6 pts/gm
L 27-7, 24/30, 197, 0/1, 80.2

TB #7 DVOA, #7 yds/gm, #5 pts/gm
L 21-16, 23/33, 275, 2/0, 115.1

Games against lesser defenses (5-2):

ATL #29 DVOA, #31 yds/gm, #27 pts/gm
L 27-23, 32/44, 325, 2/1, 99.2

DET #26 DVOA, #32 yds/gm, #32 pts/gm
W 48-45, 23/30, 320, 2/0, 132.6

NO #16 DVOA, #11 yds/gm, #29 pts/gm
L 39-32, 16/25, 268, 10.7, 3/0, 139.7

ARI #21 DVOA, #26 yds/gm, #31 pts/gm
W 19-9, 20/31, 197, 0/0, 82.3
W 31/21, 26/34, 275, 2/1, 106.9

LAC #17 DVOA, #17 yds/gm, #30 pts/gm
W 37-23, 20/27, 210, 2/1, 105.5

NYG #25 DVOA, #21 yds/gm, #9 pts/gm
W 27-13, 23/34, 212, 2/0, 104.0

I see a lot of #28-32 defensive rankings against teams we've played so far. A couple of defenses like that left to face, but overall the defenses in the future look stronger than the defenses already played.

Remaining defenses to play:

LV #32 DVOA, #28 yds/gm, #28 pt/gm

LAR (x2) #13 DVOA, #9 yds/gm, #17 pts/gm

CAR #28 DVOA, #22 yds/gm, #23 pts/gm

SF #9 DVOA, #1 yds/gm, #6 pts/gm

KC #23 DVOA, #20 yds/gm, #20 pts/gm

NYJ #6 DVOA, #8 yds/gm, #8 pts/gm

Geno will need to up his game against LAR (x2), SF, and NYJ. He'll also have to ball against KC because their offense will probably shred our D.

That's 5 very challenging games remaining out of 7. Can Geno impress us and start playing well against the better defensive teams we face?

I hope so.

Blaming Geno again. You cucks about done yet?

 

[pittpnthrs]

Seahawks have played three top 10 defenses this year (1-2):

DEN #2 DVOA, #2 yds/gm, #2 pts/gm
W 17-16, 23/28, 195, 2/0, 119.5

SF #9 DVOA, #1 yds/gm, #6 pts/gm
L 27-7, 24/30, 197, 0/1, 80.2

TB #7 DVOA, #7 yds/gm, #5 pts/gm
L 21-16, 23/33, 275, 2/0, 115.1

Games against lesser defenses (5-2):

ATL #29 DVOA, #31 yds/gm, #27 pts/gm
L 27-23, 32/44, 325, 2/1, 99.2

DET #26 DVOA, #32 yds/gm, #32 pts/gm
W 48-45, 23/30, 320, 2/0, 132.6

NO #16 DVOA, #11 yds/gm, #29 pts/gm
L 39-32, 16/25, 268, 10.7, 3/0, 139.7

ARI #21 DVOA, #26 yds/gm, #31 pts/gm
W 19-9, 20/31, 197, 0/0, 82.3
W 31/21, 26/34, 275, 2/1, 106.9

LAC #17 DVOA, #17 yds/gm, #30 pts/gm
W 37-23, 20/27, 210, 2/1, 105.5

NYG #25 DVOA, #21 yds/gm, #9 pts/gm
W 27-13, 23/34, 212, 2/0, 104.0

I see a lot of #28-32 defensive rankings against teams we've played so far. A couple of defenses like that left to face, but overall the defenses in the future look stronger than the defenses already played.

Remaining defenses to play:

LV #32 DVOA, #28 yds/gm, #28 pt/gm

LAR (x2) #13 DVOA, #9 yds/gm, #17 pts/gm

CAR #28 DVOA, #22 yds/gm, #23 pts/gm

SF #9 DVOA, #1 yds/gm, #6 pts/gm

KC #23 DVOA, #20 yds/gm, #20 pts/gm

NYJ #6 DVOA, #8 yds/gm, #8 pts/gm

Geno will need to up his game against LAR (x2), SF, and NYJ. He'll also have to ball against KC because their offense will probably shred our D.

That's 5 very challenging games remaining out of 7. Can Geno impress us and start playing well against the better defensive teams we face?

I hope so.

Took two historical goal line fumbles to beat Denver or he would have been 0-3

 

[Mick063]

Geno plays football much better than this thread does.

 

[Double Tribble]

The Tannehill and 2017 Vikings comparison seems about right. Good enough to get you to the playoffs, but not the big dance. We'll see.

 

[scutterhawk]

For Geno to do better, EVERYONE ELSE on the team is going to have to carry their end of the bargain...Football ain't a one man show.

 

[Bear-Hawk]

For Geno to do better, EVERYONE ELSE on the team is going to have to carry their end of the bargain...Football ain't a one man show.

Look how much Lawrence and Hurts improved when they got better support at OL and WR. This year it will be Justin Fields (hopefully for Bears fans). I think JSN will be a big help for Geno. This offense is going to roll.

 

[kidhawk]

The only issue I had with Geno last year is pretty much the same thing that can be said about most competitive athletes, I think he put too much pressure in himself when we were behind. Sometimes he made I’ll advised throws when trying to make up a deficit. If we can keep the defense from giving up too much I think Geno will play fine. If Geno starts feeling like he needs to score on every drive like certain games last year he will likely struggle.

I am hoping the defense can put together a solid season. I don’t expect perfection but if they play solid consistently our offense can be something special.