Spin Doctor":3ogi4mo9 said:
Great, could you please provide some facts to back up you assertions rather than childish insults? What about anything that I said there was BS? It is undeniable fact that Schottenheimer was fired from three jobs. It is also undeniable that the UGA Bulldogs dropped in offensive production quite drastically under Schottenheimer, and improved dramatically after he left. There is a body of undeniable evidence that is against Schottenheimer's body of work as an offensive coordinator. I get that you're looking at this with Seahawk colored glasses, but if you take off those glasses and looked at things objectively you would see that his career is marked with failure.
Have you ever heard of Non Sequiter? It's a debate tactic that employs false logic in the form of presenting evidence that, while it looks quite relevant, really doesn't support the argument.
It's Latin for "doesn't follow". As in if a coach is fired several times from NFL jobs, it doesn't necessarily follow that he will fail if given another opportunity. See, for example, Pete Carroll, who was fired from his previous head coaching gigs and was generally thought to be one of those guys who could coach college but not the pros.
Have you heard of Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc? It means "After this, therefore because of this". It is another logical fallacy in which the because two things happened, the second must be a result of the first. As in "Schottenheimer was hired as OC in Miami", "Miami didn't have a potent offense" therefore Schottenheimer as OC caused the anemic offense. It is fallacious because it dismisses other factors such as poor personnel, for example. Schottenheimer was fired because he bore the ultimate responsibility and accountability for the offense - regardless of personnel, injury, or circumstance.
So while screaming about evidence and facts, the real fact is you, nor I, have any idea how Schottenheimer will perform under the tutelage of Pete Carroll, and with the resources at hand like Russell Wilson and the rest of our offensive tools.
You can call your circumstantial and anecdotal points "undeniable evidence" all day long and demand proof from others, but I suggest you have yet to offer any concrete proof yourself other than some false logic you are representing as truth.
None of us will have any evidence, undeniable or otherwise, until we see how Schottenheimer performs in the Seahawks culture, with the Seahawks players, front office, coaches, etc., and that is about the only thing we know for certain.