Brian Schottenheimer

[getnasty]

Sticky this thread if this guy pans out. I want to make someone my permanent sig.

Maybe it does work out but it's still a bad hire. Schotty is the Jeff Fischer of OC's. Could you imagine if Pete was let go and replace with Fischer? That would be amazing.

 

[Tusc2000]

Sticky this thread if this guy pans out. I want to make someone my permanent sig.

Maybe it does work out but it's still a bad hire. Schotty is the Jeff Fischer of OC's. Could you imagine if Pete was let go and replace with Fischer? That would be amazing.

Jeff Fisher is past his prime.

Schotty never had a prime.

 

[ivotuk]

Finally! This running game will take off under this man and I'm excited. His father had two 1,000 yard rushers in Cleveland, and Brian got the MarcSanchez to the AFC Championship Game twice! How? With a stellar running game.

Posters on here are going off the deep end over this hire using slanted stats, while ignoring the situations he was put in.

Greg Knapp? LOL!

Look at the diffeRence in talent each had. HUGE difference. Comparisons between the two OCs? There is none.

Brian's a winner. Great hire!

 

[Seymour]

I could dig up more than that on Bevell in one thread of hundreds here alone.
I plan to wait and see rather then read po'ed fans opinions myself.

 

[seahawkfreak]

I am willing to wait and see what BS can do but I am worried that this is the same shit different day. My confidence in PC went down when he refused to make changes for the past couple of years and pretended like everything was ok. He was backed into a corner after this season and seems to have replaced a stinky turd with a smelly turd.

Still want to see who the OLC is going to be and what moves we make in FA and the draft before jumping the cliff though.

Also respected Brian's dad so if he can mature to his coaching abilities than I'm all for it. "We got a gleam!"

 

[Tinymac2]

Sticky this thread if this guy pans out. I want to make someone my permanent sig.

Maybe it does work out but it's still a bad hire. Schotty is the Jeff Fischer of OC's. Could you imagine if Pete was let go and replace with Fischer? That would be amazing.

Jeff Fisher is past his prime.

Schotty never had a prime.

Love you guys. Fischer's record was ~173w/165L. That's like 22yrs as HC in the NFL.

Pete has a system he believes in and it has worked very well for him and us. I have no problem going back to the balanced, run first offense that delivered SB's. It requires ball control, ball security, and consistency. We don't need the latest shiny potential OC of the month to get there. We need a running game to get there. Can BS help us there?

 

[toffee]

Finally! This running game will take off under this man and I'm excited. His father had two 1,000 yard rushers in Cleveland, and Brian got the MarcSanchez to the AFC Championship Game twice! How? With a stellar running game.

Posters on here are going off the deep end over this hire using slanted stats, while ignoring the situations he was put in.

Greg Knapp? LOL!

Look at the diffeRence in talent each had. HUGE difference. Comparisons between the two OCs? There is none.

Brian's a winner. Great hire!

What has he won?

 

[toffee]

I just think we hired the exact same guy we fired.

I've said my piece on it.

Now we'll wait to see how it pans out, but let me just say that I'll be happy as hell to lose this argument.


Being wrong in this instance would be fabulous.

I am of the opinion that we are about to hire a poor men's Bevell, a hard working but career underachiever. As fan, we can no nothing about stand back and watch, what else can we do?

 

[adeltaY]

Wow I'm looking at the Jets stats and they did rush for tons of yards in 2009. They were 31st in pass yards though, their pass game was pretty awful.

Their defense was NASTY though! 14.8 ppg allowed, 154 passing yards per game. That's crazy! #1 in ypg and ppg that year.

 

[seedhawk]

Has it been confirmed that he truly is our new OC? If it has, instead of wasting time and electrons bitching and whining about "Schotty", perhaps damn near all of you should call out the people actually responsible for putting "Schotty" in the current predicament.

Responsibility and accountability start at the top and work down, not the other way.

 

[Sox-n-Hawks]

Has it been confirmed that he truly is our new OC? If it has, instead of wasting time and electrons bitching and whining about "Schotty", perhaps damn near all of you should call out the people actually responsible for putting "Schotty" in the current predicament.

Responsibility and accountability start at the top and work down, not the other way.

Then again.... he might not want to leave Indy with changes coming and Luck getting healthy.

 

[Tusc2000]

Has it been confirmed that he truly is our new OC? If it has, instead of wasting time and electrons bitching and whining about "Schotty", perhaps damn near all of you should call out the people actually responsible for putting "Schotty" in the current predicament.

Responsibility and accountability start at the top and work down, not the other way.

It's on the internet. it has to be true.

 

[Sox-n-Hawks]

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[RolandDeschain]

We HAVE his track record. Look at the stats on what he has done. Absolutely nothing. His record as an OC is comparable to Tom Cable's pass protection schemes.

He's got an NFL resume and career based on pure nepotism, and not one single accomplishment.

Guys hire him because they loved his dad.... guys like Rex Ryan and Jeff Fisher.

If he even had one "above average" season, I'd be happy... ok, let's give him a chance.

But I don't see a ray of sunshine on that resume. Not a spark, not even a flickering flame in a distant window...

As was just pointed out above, look at the QBs he's had to work with, lol.

Ok, ZMan - I want you to put yourself on the record here. We're going to revisit this in 10+ months from now. What does Schotty have to do for you to admit you're wrong? Also, just for the record, I am not proclaiming success - I am simply relieved Bevell is gone. But I want you to lay out some specifics that we can all agree on for whether we can say yes, he's better than Bevell - or no, he's not.

 

[toffee]

We HAVE his track record. Look at the stats on what he has done. Absolutely nothing. His record as an OC is comparable to Tom Cable's pass protection schemes.

He's got an NFL resume and career based on pure nepotism, and not one single accomplishment.

Guys hire him because they loved his dad.... guys like Rex Ryan and Jeff Fisher.

If he even had one "above average" season, I'd be happy... ok, let's give him a chance.

But I don't see a ray of sunshine on that resume. Not a spark, not even a flickering flame in a distant window...

As was just pointed out above, look at the QBs he's had to work with, lol.

Ok, ZMan - I want you to put yourself on the record here. We're going to revisit this in 10+ months from now. What does Schotty have to do for you to admit you're wrong? Also, just for the record, I am not proclaiming success - I am simply relieved Bevell is gone. But I want you to lay out some specifics that we can all agree on for whether we can say yes, he's better than Bevell - or no, he's not.

Either Brian Schottenheimer was the most unlucky OC that was dealt with nothing but lousy QBs his whole career' Or Brian Schottenheimer's schemes/playbook were QB career killa, perhaps a bit of both?

What we do know is that he has a large enough body of work, and it sucked. I think Brian Schottenheimer never encounter a once in generation QB talent that could succeed in spite of Brian's QB career killin' schemes and playbook.

Brian Schottenheimer might be the equivalent of Tom Cable. Under Cable, a pro bowl LT suddenly regressed under his coaching and scheme. Under Schottenheimer, QBs simply had no chance.

 

[sdog1981]

Let's put it this way: Greg Knapp, by far, has been a more successful OC than Schottenheimer in his career.

Knapp had Top 15 Offenses in 5 out of his 10 seasons and 3 of those 5 were in the Top 10.

Schottenheimer has never directed a Top 10 Offense in 9 seasons.

This is more along the lines of Shotty might be good. Knapp’s QB’s during those times were.

Steve Young
Jeff Garcia w/ TO
Michael Vick

His worst QB during that time was JaMarcus Russell.

So Knapp kind of shows that good OC’s work with good QB’s and not he other way around.

 

[hawknation2018]

The Jets and Rams were such a mess as organizations that I don't think it's a fair representation, except that it has shown he has dealt with a lot of adversity.

Let's take a look at what Brian did as an NFL QB coach. After all, some people wanted the Seahawks to hire John DeFilippo, a QB coach with little to no experience calling plays.

2002 Chargers - #9 Total Offense, #20 Points Per Game, #22 Passing Yards, #23 QB rating
2003 Chargers - #4 Total Offense, #16 Points Per Game, #19 Passing Yards, #21 QB rating
2004 Chargers - #10 Total Offense, #3 Points Per Game, #16 Passing Yards, #3 QB rating
2005 Chargers - #12 Total Offense, #5 Points Per Game, #12 Passing Yards, #6 QB rating
2016 Colts - #10 Total Offense, #8 Points Per Game, #5 Passing Yards, #10 QB rating
2017 Colts - No Andrew Luck, not even going to bother looking this up.

 

[RolandDeschain]

I'll call it a step up, IF, these three conditions are met.

1. If Russel Wilson does not regress, makes it through the season intact, and is not sacked 25+ times, that will be big, but also I'd truly like to see us get back to somewhere near 8 yards per pass attempt. 8 yards per attempt is important for an NFL offense in this era. You don't have that, you aren't winning in the playoffs. This year Wilson had his lowest yards per attempt of his career... 7.2 ... the year we won the Superbowl it was 8.2. Brees was 8.1 this year, and Brady was 7.9 --- and you figure one of those guys was going to win the SB. Brees is out now, because of a fluke play, but you saw what was happening later in that game.

2. If we have a running back go over 1,000 yards and average better than 3.5 yards per carry. That would be great. Lynch's best year with us, for reference, was 5 yards per carry and 1500 yards, so I don't think 1k and 3.5 is asking much at all...

3. If we have an offense in the top half of the league: meaning, ranked 15th or better in both yards and scoring.

Hell, I'll take 16th and if the two conditions above are true, I'll consider it a win.

If we get that next year, I'll feel a lot better about this hire.

For #1, you can't keep the "makes it through the season intact" part in there. Injuries happen. Bad luck happens. That has nothing to do with the OC. If anything, it's tied more to whomever our new OL coach will be than the OC. Pick a number for yards per attempt that he has to meet. Should we go with 7.7, a full half-yard increase? If not, then counter with a proposal.

For #2, I think the 1,000 yards thing needs to go. What if we go legitimate full-on runningback by committee? Two 900-yard backs and a fantastic running game overall? Yards per carry I'm fine with. Greater than 3.5 YPC for whomever our #1 RB turns out to be, unless we have two "legit" RBs, then we can apply it to both, or average them, or something.

For #3, I think the yards thing should be removed. Points scored is what matters. I hate yard-based metrics for offenses and defenses, it's not a good indicator of anything and it's very subjective.

 

[lukerguy]

It really does beg the question, if the Hawks are going to hire him, what's taking so long?

 

[Trrrroy]

It really does beg the question, if the Hawks are going to hire him, what's taking so long?

A long weekend.