#77 Ahtyba Rubin

[Grahamhawker]

He's 28...and had over 80 tackles twice. Worth a shot at least.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

When did Pinkins become a linebacker?

Earlier this year. They said something about it actually being his natural position or something similar.

 

[hawknation2015]

When did Pinkins become a linebacker?

Earlier this year. They said something about it actually being his natural position or something similar.

I'm glad someone brought up Pinkins. We tend to carry seven linebackers on the 53-man roster. Right now, we have six who appear likely to make it:

Wagner
Wright
Irvin
KPL
Morgan
Coyle

Pinkins might fill that seventh LB spot, while playing special teams and serving as a utility option as a backup SS, or maybe he goes back to the practice squad if he is not claimed off waivers.

With Pinkins, we might be able to get away with just Kam, Earl, and Shead at safety. Then we hope Bailey, Murphy, and/or Wade make the PS.

 

[HawkAroundTheClock]

I believe his play fell off because they went to a 3-4 and he didn't fit in that scheme. The 4-3 we play fits his game a lot better.

Browns have been playing a 3-4 since 2013, I think, and Rubin was mostly playing the five technique at Left End. Last year, he was tasked with playing more inside at NT and had one of the worst seasons against the run of any player in the league. He looked straight up slow and incapable of reading the run or disengaging from blockers. It was pretty bad.

I appreciate your knowledge of Rubin's past.

It makes me wonder about coaching. The Browns have had 5 different head coaches during Rubin's 8-year career. The inconsistency alone is significant. And if Ahtyba suddenly looks quicker and plays more instinctively as a Seahawk that'll tell us a lot about coaching quality, as well as integrity of scheme.

 

[LudwigsDrummer]

Mike Holmgren, who was the GM in Cleveland from 2010-2012, told KJR's Ian Furness yesterday that he's very high on his former player. "They should sign him," he said. "He's a great football player. I can't believe Cleveland is letting him out of there."

By most accounts, Rubin had a down 2014 season as he battled an ankle injury but his 2013 season was strong.

Link >>> [urltargetblank]http://www.fieldgulls.com/2015/3/19/8260653/seahawks-sign-dt-ahtyba-rubin[/urltargetblank]

...... a monster lineman who was both a good player and a leader of his position group eventually. Rubin was a guy who helped the Browns a lot and was one of the revelations for the Browns in an otherwise sketchy draft history. You don’t expect sixth round picks to end up playing 99 games for you over seven seasons amassing more than 200 tackles as an interior lineman in both the 4-3 and 3-4 defenses, depending on who was coach the given year.

Remember that Rubin played for Romeo Crennel, Eric Mangini, Pat Shurmur, Rob Chudzinski and Mike Pettine all over the course of a seven year career. I’m sorry to see him go and I will always wish him well as it was a joy to have him on the Browns since 2008.

Link >>> [urltargetblank]http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2015/03/ahtyba-rubin-contract-details-seahawks/[/urltargetblank]

Ok, I'm sold. I will approve these quotes over Hawknation's contempt of the signing.


In truth, I liked the signing as soon as it was reported. Pete will have a fit for him.

 

[hawknation2015]

Mike Holmgren, who was the GM in Cleveland from 2010-2012, told KJR's Ian Furness yesterday that he's very high on his former player. "They should sign him," he said. "He's a great football player. I can't believe Cleveland is letting him out of there."

By most accounts, Rubin had a down 2014 season as he battled an ankle injury but his 2013 season was strong.

Link >>> [urltargetblank]http://www.fieldgulls.com/2015/3/19/8260653/seahawks-sign-dt-ahtyba-rubin[/urltargetblank]

...... a monster lineman who was both a good player and a leader of his position group eventually. Rubin was a guy who helped the Browns a lot and was one of the revelations for the Browns in an otherwise sketchy draft history. You don’t expect sixth round picks to end up playing 99 games for you over seven seasons amassing more than 200 tackles as an interior lineman in both the 4-3 and 3-4 defenses, depending on who was coach the given year.

Remember that Rubin played for Romeo Crennel, Eric Mangini, Pat Shurmur, Rob Chudzinski and Mike Pettine all over the course of a seven year career. I’m sorry to see him go and I will always wish him well as it was a joy to have him on the Browns since 2008.

Link >>> [urltargetblank]http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2015/03/ahtyba-rubin-contract-details-seahawks/[/urltargetblank]

Ok, I'm sold. I will approve these quotes over Hawknation's contempt of the signing.


In truth, I liked the signing as soon as it was reported. Pete will have a fit for him.

Contempt is too strong a word. I didn't like the signing based on Rubin's recent play, but when you're talking about less than $3 million of risk, I don't exactly hate it either. Would I have preferred signing Kevin Williams or even Red Bryant? Yes.

 

[Snakeeyes007]

Mike Holmgren, who was the GM in Cleveland from 2010-2012, told KJR's Ian Furness yesterday that he's very high on his former player. "They should sign him," he said. "He's a great football player. I can't believe Cleveland is letting him out of there."

By most accounts, Rubin had a down 2014 season as he battled an ankle injury but his 2013 season was strong.

Link >>> [urltargetblank]http://www.fieldgulls.com/2015/3/19/8260653/seahawks-sign-dt-ahtyba-rubin[/urltargetblank]

...... a monster lineman who was both a good player and a leader of his position group eventually. Rubin was a guy who helped the Browns a lot and was one of the revelations for the Browns in an otherwise sketchy draft history. You don’t expect sixth round picks to end up playing 99 games for you over seven seasons amassing more than 200 tackles as an interior lineman in both the 4-3 and 3-4 defenses, depending on who was coach the given year.

Remember that Rubin played for Romeo Crennel, Eric Mangini, Pat Shurmur, Rob Chudzinski and Mike Pettine all over the course of a seven year career. I’m sorry to see him go and I will always wish him well as it was a joy to have him on the Browns since 2008.

Link >>> [urltargetblank]http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2015/03/ahtyba-rubin-contract-details-seahawks/[/urltargetblank]

Ok, I'm sold. I will approve these quotes over Hawknation's contempt of the signing.


In truth, I liked the signing as soon as it was reported. Pete will have a fit for him.

Contempt is too strong a word. I didn't like the signing based on Rubin's recent play, but when you're talking about less than $3 million of risk, I don't exactly hate it either. Would I have preferred signing Kevin Williams or even Red Bryant? Yes.

I read contempt in your rebuttal of the word's earlier usage. :141847_bnono:

 

[hawknation2015]

Ok, I'm sold. I will approve these quotes over Hawknation's contempt of the signing.


In truth, I liked the signing as soon as it was reported. Pete will have a fit for him.

Contempt is too strong a word. I didn't like the signing based on Rubin's recent play, but when you're talking about less than $3 million of risk, I don't exactly hate it either. Would I have preferred signing Kevin Williams or even Red Bryant? Yes.

I read contempt is your rebuttal of the word's earlier usage. :141847_bnono:

Huh?

 

[Snakeeyes007]

Ok, I'm sold. I will approve these quotes over Hawknation's contempt of the signing.


In truth, I liked the signing as soon as it was reported. Pete will have a fit for him.

Contempt is too strong a word. I didn't like the signing based on Rubin's recent play, but when you're talking about less than $3 million of risk, I don't exactly hate it either. Would I have preferred signing Kevin Williams or even Red Bryant? Yes.

I read contempt is your rebuttal of the word's earlier usage. :141847_bnono:

Huh?

Sorry! That was supposed to say 'in' not 'is'. Moment passed... :34853_doh:

 

[hawknation2015]

Huh?

Sorry! That was supposed to say 'in' not 'is'. Moment passed... :34853_doh:

Still confused but OK. :th2thumbs:

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

hawknation,

I think you're looking at Rubin with a half-empty mindset. You citied his 2014 year where he was dealing with injury and playing a new position. You look at him like he's still a Cleveland Brown.

The half-full mindset says something different.

It shows a mature, experienced, hard-working player in Rubin with the ability to be versatile and play multiple positions. All things of which the Seahawks want in a free agent type player, I'm sure.

And more importantly Rubin is part of the Seahawks, not the Browns. Two totally opposite franchises on the spectrum of competing.

Rubin isn't going to start for the Seahawks, as long as McDaniel and Mebane are both under contract and healthy. Rubin is likely going to be just a reserve player in a rotational role. 99 starts of experience in a DT who will likely see significantly less snaps then when he was a starter. AND he'll rotate in and be fresh against opponents who will likely be less so.

Seahawks pride themselves on teaching in a way that builds upon strengths and putting their players in the best position to turn that into success on the field rather than trying to force a square peg into a round hole.

They have a plan for Rubin. I'm sure. And he'll be coached up to play Seahawk football. And looking at a bigger picture for Rubin's entire career, his whole body of work, and all of the positives and strengths of his game, I see a player who can be really great in the Seahawks rotation and if Rubin can move around and be versatile that can be really valuable in practice and as the season moves along and injuries start popping up.

If you're only looking at 1 year and just hyper focusing on the negatives I can see how Rubin could come off as a merely subpar to average player. But i'm just going to wait this out and see if it works out. Its really the only thing you can do.

I will leave you with this... Seahawks actually have had a great track record in getting non-injury affected productivity out of their veteran free agent players that they've signed in the past 5 years. With much of their success hitting on the DL additions:

Kevin Williams '14
Tony McDaniel '13
Cliff Avril '13
Michael Bennett '13
Jason Jones '12
Alan Branch '11
Anthony Hargrove '11
Raheem Brock '10

8 players from 2010 to 2014 that fit in the VETERAN free agent qualifications. You'd have to go back to 2010, the first year of the rebuild, and Junior Saivii to get a player that didn't either exceed expectations or play reasonably well within their respected roles.

With that said I like Rubin's chances as a Seahawks to be coached up and ready to play some tough, championship football. An expectation and opportunity his team and himself didn't achieve in Cleveland.

 

[hawknation2015]

hawknation,

I think you're looking at Rubin with a half-empty mindset. You citied his 2014 year where he was dealing with injury and playing a new position. You look at him like he's still a Cleveland Brown.

The half-full mindset says something different.

It shows a mature, experienced, hard-working player in Rubin with the ability to be versatile and play multiple positions. All things of which the Seahawks want in a free agent type player, I'm sure.

And more importantly Rubin is part of the Seahawks, not the Browns. Two totally opposite franchises on the spectrum of competing.

Rubin isn't going to start for the Seahawks, as long as McDaniel and Mebane are both under contract and healthy. Rubin is likely going to be just a reserve player in a rotational role. 99 starts of experience in a DT who will likely see significantly less snaps then when he was a starter. AND he'll rotate in and be fresh against opponents who will likely be less so.

Seahawks pride themselves on teaching in a way that builds upon strengths and putting their players in the best position to turn that into success on the field rather than trying to force a square peg into a round hole.

They have a plan for Rubin. I'm sure. And he'll be coached up to play Seahawk football. And looking at a bigger picture for Rubin's entire career, his whole body of work, and all of the positives and strengths of his game, I see a player who can be really great in the Seahawks rotation and if Rubin can move around and be versatile that can be really valuable in practice and as the season moves along and injuries start popping up.

If you're only looking at 1 year and just hyper focusing on the negatives I can see how Rubin could come off as a merely subpar to average player. But i'm just going to wait this out and see if it works out. Its really the only thing you can do.

I will leave you with this... Seahawks actually have had a great track record in getting non-injury affected productivity out of their veteran free agent players that they've signed in the past 5 years. With much of their success hitting on the DL additions:

Kevin Williams '14
Tony McDaniel '13
Cliff Avril '13
Michael Bennett '13
Jason Jones '12
Alan Branch '11
Anthony Hargrove '11
Raheem Brock '10

8 players from 2010 to 2014 that fit in the VETERAN free agent qualifications. You'd have to go back to 2010, the first year of the rebuild, and Junior Saivii to get a player that didn't either exceed expectations or play reasonably well within their respected roles.

With that said I like Rubin's chances as a Seahawks to be coached up and ready to play some tough, championship football. An expectation and opportunity his team and himself didn't achieve in Cleveland.

Yes, and my point was that they could have signed Kevin Williams for the same salary. And I think Williams has proven to be a far better player as recently as last season.

Also, no way did Jason Jones meet expectations. The team's record of signing free agents is fantastic, probably the best in the league, but it is not infallible.

 

[Seafan]

The guys on Brock and Salk refer to Rubin as "Ayatollah".

 

[hawknation2015]

The guys on Brock and Salk refer to Rubin as "Ayatollah".

I hope it's pronounced "Ayatoldyouso." I want him to play great this year.

 

[two dog]

Good discussion. I liked the signing when they made it but from a fan's
point of view. I don't analyze as well as some here so it's nice to hear
the comments of someone who is not so happy about adding Rubin.
But I think I still like the signing.

Gotta say though that a part of me really wanted to re-sign Kevin
Williams. After the Super Bowl loss my first thought was of him. To
come so close after an otherwise sterling career and to make the
position switch that in some part made getting there possible.
At one point I would guess that he thought that, finally, it was
going to happen. Would like to have seen him get another shot.