“We Still Mad”. Bobby Wagner

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Does it matter if Russ got special treatment? The head coach's job is to do what's best for the team. If Pete thought the defense was affecting his young quarterbacks' confidence, it makes sense to protect him.
 

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Does it matter if Russ got special treatment? The head coach's job is to do what's best for the team. If Pete thought the defense was affecting his young quarterbacks' confidence, it makes sense to protect him.
it mattered to them, but it shouldn't have. And it likely wouldn't have if we had one or 2 vets that pulled them to the side and made them really stop and look at the big picture. Russ is your TEAMMATE. Your gottdamn young, starting QB.
 

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Oh yes, I've always heard that the number 1 priority, and key to a successful NFL team, is to "fit in as one of the guys"
Y'know, like Mahomes. 😆
 

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Actual preferential treatment and the waves of resentment started will before that with Wilson, he could not take trash talk, being mean to him when they intercepted a pass was how he took it, saying you suck hurt his feelings and it goes on. it was tolerated by the defense because they made up for Wilsons limitations. well in that Super Bowl the LOB and many others were playing injured, having two players knocked out hurt the defense even more. The whole offense practically shit themselves on the field when the play call came in, the sidelines when they lined up was going what the **** and then you see the reaction to the play when it was run.

Wilson was never a team leader during that era, he was a team yes man for Pete, went full Corporate Russell after Sherman and Lynch left. Lynch, Kam, Bobby, Baldwin, Bennett and Averil were the leaders.

That irked Wilson also, he could never fit in as one of the guys.

I can understand that, but the guy still delivered for a lot of years. He kept the team competitive when there was no more LOB and Lynch. Bobby even said as much.

Sure Wilson had his irks, but he wasn't the biggest problem that a lot make him out to be. He masked a lot of those problems.
 

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Does it matter if Russ got special treatment? The head coach's job is to do what's best for the team. If Pete thought the defense was affecting his young quarterbacks' confidence, it makes sense to protect him.
Yes it does, when you coach says always compete, all in and that every day your competing for your job, the cringeworthy press conferences, the phony persona the team saw versus the locker room and every day. All that says something to your team mates. Yes, you can be tactful, but be legit, the leaders on the team were, the media didn't know how to handle blunt non PC truth from most of them. They all looked at him as a phony even inside the team. Yes they played to support each other but it was a divisive situation when you have a guy in a Plastic Bubble set up by your coach.

Also if he can't take the heat from his own team mates challenging him, what does that say for game day, do you trust him? Or sit waiting to see where he leaves you on the next three and out.
 

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Yes it does, when you coach says always compete, all in and that every day your competing for your job, the cringeworthy press conferences, the phony persona the team saw versus the locker room and every day. All that says something to your team mates. Yes, you can be tactful, but be legit, the leaders on the team were, the media didn't know how to handle blunt non PC truth from most of them. They all looked at him as a phony even inside the team. Yes they played to support each other but it was a divisive situation when you have a guy in a Plastic Bubble set up by your coach.

Also if he can't take the heat from his own team mates challenging him, what does that say for game day, do you trust him? Or sit waiting to see where he leaves you on the next three and out.
You are describing one side of the conflict; place yourself above it. What is your solution to the situation? Should you let the defense bully your young, soon-to-be max-contract quarterback? Do you risk moving on from Russ because some guys on the team don't like his personality?

Don't get me wrong. It's fair to view Russ as the catalyst for the team's unraveling. However, they made the logical decision to accommodate their most important player.
 

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If we had run the ball and Lynch fumbled it, everyone would be saying what a terrible play call it was.

If Wilson had completed the pass for a TD, nobody would be saying what a terrible play call it was.
 

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Yes it does, when you coach says always compete, all in and that every day your competing for your job, the cringeworthy press conferences, the phony persona the team saw versus the locker room and every day. All that says something to your team mates. Yes, you can be tactful, but be legit, the leaders on the team were, the media didn't know how to handle blunt non PC truth from most of them. They all looked at him as a phony even inside the team. Yes they played to support each other but it was a divisive situation when you have a guy in a Plastic Bubble set up by your coach.

Also if he can't take the heat from his own team mates challenging him, what does that say for game day, do you trust him? Or sit waiting to see where he leaves you on the next three and out.

This is the difference between thick and thin skin. The defense or LOB or whoever the other players were should worry about themselves and stop being jealous and tic tac about others. If they perform, whats the big deal. Its childish and immature.

On game day? Russ was pretty clutch throughout his tenure in Seattle if you've forgotten. He was one of the best during his prime. The LOB and whoever could have done a lot worse with so many others.
 

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If we had run the ball and Lynch fumbled it, everyone would be saying what a terrible play call it was.

If Wilson had completed the pass for a TD, nobody would be saying what a terrible play call it was.

The play still would be questioned when all is factored in. I would feel a lot better if Lynch had fumbled than with the outcome of the worst play call of all time.
 

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If we had run the ball and Lynch fumbled it, everyone would be saying what a terrible play call it was.

If Wilson had completed the pass for a TD, nobody would be saying what a terrible play call it was.
If Lynch had fumbled it (doubtful), I think most reasonable fans, even if it took a little while to come to their senses, would have been shocked, saddened, frustrated, and whatnot, but would not have been outraged at all by the call. They would have thought it was highly unfortunate what happened, but would even have a hard time blaming Lynch given all that he had done for the franchise. They would have been able to move on a lot easier, as difficult and irksome as that moment may have been to overcome.

If RW had completed the pass for a TD, the vast majority of fans would have been highly elated and would not have been consumed by all sorts of what-if scenarios. I do think, however, a certain percentage of harder core fans would have gone *Whew* after giving it some thought in retrospect, as in "I don't know why they called that play, but thank heaven it worked."
 

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Russ is a narcissistic, tone deaf human being.

But he's also the best QB we have ever had and without him, we don't win all the games we won over his tenure here. It's foolishly myopic for anyone to suggest it was only because of the LOB or Lynch for the success we had during that era. As if Russ had nothing - or next to nothing - to do with it.

Say what you want about Russ back then or today but my God that man was a magician in his prime for us.
 

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My argument is those heroic comebacks were due to playing hero ball in the 4th quarter, the repetitive three and outs after the first two drives where we tried things that worked and never went back to them, and many times scored gave us a lead. Then we fall into a repetitive series of three and outs and or penalties that ended drives. If he could run the full offense and use the whole field many of those late heroics would not have been needed. The fault for that is twofold Pete and Wilson I think.

But defenses could get in his head, he has a play that is a turnover or almost a turnover as far as passing he rarely challenged that area again or player. Also why when certain defenders covered certain receivers they disappeared.
 

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The play still would be questioned when all is factored in. I would feel a lot better if Lynch had fumbled than with the outcome of the worst play call of all time.
It has always been assumed that he scores. There's absolutely no way to know 100 percent if he would have. Likely would have, but he was stopped on short yardage plenty of other times that season. Still a dumb call, no matter what. At least on 2nd down.
Then again, it was a miracle they were even down there after that catch by Kearse.
 

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It has always been assumed that he scores. There's absolutely no way to know 100 percent if he would have. Likely would have, but he was stopped on short yardage plenty of other times that season. Still a dumb call, no matter what. At least on 2nd down.
Then again, it was a miracle they were even down there after that catch by Kearse.

Yeah I don't if he would have scored (probably), but I would have felt a lot better if he at least got a shot.

You are 100% right about the catch to set it up.
 

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I still have nightmares of seeing Lynch going in motion and saying........wtf are you doing?
You could argue that really stupid coaching handed the Pats two of their SB wins. This game and obviously the ridiculous coaching by the Falcons when they could have went up 11 points and sealed it.

Shoot, Dan Campbell flat out handed the 29ers a SB birth with his pathetic aggressive coaching.
 

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Wilson wasn't the beginning of the end. The beginning of the end was a millisecond after the worst play call in the history of the Super Bowl when nobody was held accountable. Also, Wilson got some special treatment, but he was never more important than the team. It just got to a point where he was the only hope after awhile. The members of the LOB weren't so pissed off at Wilson as they were with Pete and what was asked of them. That last, boneheaded play call was the last straw.
Yep. I think a lot of it also had to do with Bevell throwing Lockette under the bus and PC then supporting Bevell (in general - PC was silent about the Lockette thing).

When the HC is fine with his coaches throwing players under the bus to cover up a gigantic coaching gaffe, the players will lose trust and confidence pretty damn quickly. Since PC  was the Seahawks organization, they lost faith in everything Seahawks except for their teammates.
 
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