Geno Tracking Thread

[hawker84]

Whateva. And I don't "hate" Geno. Not at all. Just reporting what I see, his actions, and the results of his career. He's not an inspiring leader at the position. He doesn't act the part. MM and JS couldn't wait to move on from him given any decent alternative to him. When he decided to leave, we signed Sam in about a nanosecond after, which goes to show how eagerly they were looking for an alternative to him when the situation for it arose.

Lol, you know they offered Geno a deal right? Geno never responded. Geno was plan A, sam was plan B. But please continue your clueless rant. Oh, and still waiting for those players Geno threw under the bus.

 

[Hollandhawk]

Lol, you know they offered Geno a deal right? Geno never responded. Geno was plan A, sam was plan B. But please continue your clueless rant. Oh, and still waiting for those players Geno threw under the bus.

Dodged a f*kkking bullet there. I can’t believe they wanted to resign him.

 

[hawker84]

Dodged a f*kkking bullet there. I can’t believe they wanted to resign him.

That's fair, I'm not going to pretend I know more about that situation than Macdonald and Schneider, but to say he was a trouble maker and threw teammates under the bus while he was here is straight BS. That's all I'm saying.

 

[NoGain]

Lol, you know they offered Geno a deal right? Geno never responded. Geno was plan A, sam was plan B. But please continue your clueless rant. Oh, and still waiting for those players Geno threw under the bus.

Yes, they offered a contract to Geno. We don't know the exact details of it, but I think it's a pretty fair guess that they had escape clauses in it because they at best saw Geno as a short term placeholder QB till they found someone more to their liking as soon as they could. They even drafted Milroe soon after. It's been widely reported that JS/MM found Geno lacking in the leadership department.

They were obviously in close contact with Darnold's agent when free agency began, in spite of their posturing. For as soon as Geno rejected their contract offer, Darnold, pretty much the best alternative available to them in FAcy, was immediately signed.

Don't mistake their offering Geno a contract as any sign of the kind of QB/leader they wanted for their team. You're being naive to think so. It's not easy to find such a QB, especially when you're not picking high in the draft. And believe me, they are breathing a sigh of relief that they have Sam and not Geno as their QB now.

 

[Ozzy]

That's fair, I'm not going to pretend I know more about that situation than Macdonald and Schneider, but to say he was a trouble maker and threw teammates under the bus while he was here is straight BS. That's all I'm saying.

I’m not convinced we know what really happened. I would guess John wanted to move on from Geno and his goofy attitude like we saw the past couple of weeks. He absolutely threw his teammates under the buss last week. He basically said just blame him when anyone makes a mistake because people will anyway with his weird rant. Teammates don’t like that. Him flipping off his own fans is cornballish too.

Is it possible Geno was John’s plan A? Maybe? It’s also possible he knew Geno wouldn’t take that offer based on previous discussions so he low balled him knowing how this would unfold. Hes a smart dude and knows what he’s doing

 

[Ozzy]

Yes, they offered a contract to Geno. We don't know the exact details of it, but I think it's a pretty fair guess that they had escape clauses in it because they at best saw Geno as a short term placeholder QB till they found someone more to their liking as soon as they could. They even drafted Milroe soon after. It's been widely reported that JS/MM found Geno lacking in the leadership department.

They were obviously in close contact with Darnold's agent when free agency began, in spite of their posturing. For as soon as Geno rejected their contract offer, Darnold, pretty much the best alternative available to them in FAcy, was immediately signed.

Don't mistake their offering Geno a contract as any sign of the kind of QB/leader they wanted for their team. You're being naive to think so. It's not easy to find such a QB, especially when you're not picking high in the draft. And believe me, they are breathing a sigh of relief that they have Sam and not Geno as their QB now.

Damn I just said what you said and should read your post first lol. The whole Geno was plan A narrative is a strange one for me too.

 

[NoGain]

Is it possible Geno was John’s plan A? Maybe? It’s also possible he knew Geno wouldn’t take that offer based on previous discussions so he low balled him knowing how this would unfold. Hes a smart dude and knows what he’s doing

Ha Ha! I was just finishing this post...

Saying that Geno was JS's plan A was damning Geno with feint praise in this case. What alternatives did he have? Drew Locke? The only worthy FA's available upon FAcy were Sam and Daniel Jones, with Sam being the best out there. And who knows what the competition for Sam was at the time? It's not like they were salivating over resigning Geno. LOL

Anyway...

 

[hawker84]

I’m not convinced we know what really happened. I would guess John wanted to move on from Geno and his goofy attitude like we saw the past couple of weeks. He absolutely threw his teammates under the buss last week. He basically said just blame him when anyone makes a mistake because people will anyway with his weird rant. Teammates don’t like that. Him flipping off his own fans is cornballish too.

Is it possible Geno was John’s plan A? Maybe? It’s also possible he knew Geno wouldn’t take that offer based on previous discussions so he low balled him knowing how this would unfold. Hes a smart dude and knows what he’s doing

Thats fine, I was referring to when he was in seattle. What he did last week is Las Vegas's problem. And there is no maybe about it. John amd Mike said themselves, they offered geno a deal, and geno never returned their call. Thats on record.

 

[hawker84]

Ha Ha! I was just finishing this post...

Saying that Geno was JS's plan A was damning Geno with feint praise in this case. What alternatives did he have? Drew Locke? The only worthy FA's available upon FAcy were Sam and Daniel Jones, with Sam being the best out there. And who knows what the competition for Sam was at the time? It's not like they were salivating over resigning Geno. LOL

Anyway...

Spin it however you want. You were wrong, just man up and admit it. Geno never did the sh*t you said he did "while he was here" and he was John and Mike's plan A. That is indisputable a d on record. Salivating over him or not. The fact that you guys will sit here and trash an ex seahawks player because why, he threw too many pics for your liking? Y'all goofy as hell. But hey, whatever gets you through the night.

 

[NoGain]

Spin it however you want. You were wrong, just man up and admit it. Geno never did the sh*t you saud "while he was here" and he was John and Mike's plan A. That is indisputable. Salivating or not.

I don't even know what you're talking about, or if you're mixing me up with someone else. What I said about Geno revolved around him not being a good leader, not his talent. I said he was too thin-skinned and self-absorbed to be an inspiring leader to his teammates and a player who the majority of fans could get behind. I said I saw this during games and the way he handled the responsibility of being the team leader at the QB position and paid as handsomely as he was. Everything I've said revolved around these ideas. I've been pretty consistent about this for quite awhile now.

 

[hawker84]

I don't even know what you're talking about, or if you're mixing me up with someone else. What I said about Geno revolved around him not being a good leader, not his talent. I said he was too thin-skinned and self-absorbed to be an inspiring leader to his teammates and a player who the majority of fans could get behind. I said I saw this during games and the way he handled the responsibility of being the team leader at the QB position and paid as handsomely as he was. Everything I've said revolved around these ideas. I've been pretty consistent about this for quite awhile now.

You said he threw teammates under the bus, and made excuses at every turn while he was in seattle. I called BS, and asked you to show me the receipts, because I knew you didnt have any.

You want to talk about his play while he was here, ok that's a discussion, even though he broke single season records. Ok, the turnovers and decision making became a problem towards the end, but he left it on the field every Sunday. And owned his sh*t. But ya, i agree, he wasn't good enough.

If you want to sit here and try and convince me he was anything less than a stellar teammate while in seattle, that's where I call your BS. He never threw a teammate under the bus as you claimed, he never made excuses for his poor play, as you claimed, he owned it all . Prove me wrong, I'm still waiting. If you can't produce any evidence besides your opinion, then just stop. You sound goofy as hell trying to smear him for no reason.

 

[NoGain]

You said he threw teammates under the bus, and made excuses at every turn while he was in seattle. I called BS, and asked you to show me the receipts, because I knew you didnt have any.

Where did I say this?

 

[hawker84]

Where did I say this?

Lol, have a good one. Go Hawks.

 

[NoGain]

Lol, have a good one. Go Hawks.

So you won't pull up it up for me? That's being intellectually dishonest.

 

[ruffENrowdy]

Naw, GeNO is a pouty baby when things dont go his way lol. And when people call him out, he gets even worse

 

[hawker84]

So you won't pull up it up for me? That's being intellectually dishonest.

Here's one.

"All top QB's take full accountability and don't give the impression that they're making excuses. That's just the way it's done, the way top QB's and leaders do it. They don't play the victim".

Should've quit while you were behind.

 

[NoGain]

Here's one.

"All top QB's take full accountability and don't give the impression that they're making excuses. That's just the way it's done, the way top QB's and leaders do it. They don't play the victim".

Should've quit while you were behind.

I don't see that as me saying Geno was throwing his teammates under the bus. And I'm sorry but I don't see this quote as a justification of what you accused me of. I've been watching football for decades. Almost all the great QB's I've seen take accountability for their team's losses. They don't play the victim.

PS> And I don't remember what context this quote was pulled from? It wasn't from this thread, or it was much earlier in it,. like weeks ago.

 

[hawker84]

Yes, they offered a contract to Geno. We don't know the exact details of it, but I think it's a pretty fair guess that they had escape clauses in it because they at best saw Geno as a short term placeholder QB till they found someone more to their liking as soon as they could. They even drafted Milroe soon after. It's been widely reported that JS/MM found Geno lacking in the leadership department.

They were obviously in close contact with Darnold's agent when free agency began, in spite of their posturing. For as soon as Geno rejected their contract offer, Darnold, pretty much the best alternative available to them in FAcy, was immediately signed.

Don't mistake their offering Geno a contract as any sign of the kind of QB/leader they wanted for their team. You're being naive to think so. It's not easy to find such a QB, especially when you're not picking high in the draft. And believe me, they are breathing a sigh of relief that they have Sam and not Geno as their QB now.

To be fair, you were responding to others post, bit you did post this.

No, we not. I'm not going to get into the direct blame game, but he was most decidedly NOT a good leader at the most important position to be so in major team sports. That much should be clear to anyone who knows the sport, watched the games, and saw how he reacted during contests and spoke after games. The guy was just not an inspiring leader to his fellow offensive teammates, the team, or the fans.

There's a reason why he never made it in the league as a starter in spite of his talent until he was given a shot by PC when no one else would. Even then, his play and leadership greatly divided the fanbase, even when we had a winning record. He was gifted a sizable contract by the Raiders that in short order had the great majority of the fanbase and within the organization thinking they made a mistake.

He's a thin-skinned, self-absorbed talent who seemingly has no idea how to act given the position he's in and the responsibilities of it. He should thank his lucky stars that he's worth more than almost everyone on the planet and quit acting like some poor whiny entitled little victim that the world is trying to unfairly bring down.

 

[NoGain]

To be fair, you were responding to others post, bit you did post this.

No, we not. I'm not going to get into the direct blame game, but he was most decidedly NOT a good leader at the most important position to be so in major team sports. That much should be clear to anyone who knows the sport, watched the games, and saw how he reacted during contests and spoke after games. The guy was just not an inspiring leader to his fellow offensive teammates, the team, or the fans.

There's a reason why he never made it in the league as a starter in spite of his talent until he was given a shot by PC when no one else would. Even then, his play and leadership greatly divided the fanbase, even when we had a winning record. He was gifted a sizable contract by the Raiders that in short order had the great majority of the fanbase and within the organization thinking they made a mistake.

He's a thin-skinned, self-absorbed talent who seemingly has no idea how to act given the position he's in and the responsibilities of it. He should thank his lucky stars that he's worth more than almost everyone on the planet and quit acting like some poor whiny entitled little victim that the world is trying to unfairly bring down.

Yes, I did write that. I admit it was a little on the harsh side for me, though I think it was a reasonable perspective/analysis. I wrote it because I tended to think that people overly focused upon his athletic skills and stats as a QB and were overlooking what I perceived to be his lack of leadership skills. The QB position is probably the most demanding in all of team sports. It's almost incomprehensible in that way.

I've watched NFL football for decades. I do not claim to be any kind of an expert. I just know what I've seen and read throughout the decades. I've seen so many great QB's in action. When it comes to leadership, I've seen many great QB's exhibit it in their own styles, and though they were different, I could visibly see it as inspiring to their teammates and teams.

Some of the greats played it cool and calm, and inspired their teammates by their calm and confident demeanor. Three of the Joes have done it that way, Joe Montana, Joe Burrow, and Joe Namath. I remember before leading the 9ers on a SB winning drive Joe was in the huddle at this pressure filled moment and looked up and said...hey...there's John Candy...pointing towards the crowd. I bet there was something confidently relaxing about that to his teammates at that moment in the huddle.

Then there's the fiery type of leader, like Tom Brady and Dan Marino. They lit a fire under your arse, getting in player's faces and pumping them up about the importance of the moment, about stepping up, and players responded to that as well.

But in either case, they all had the talent and inspired confidence in their teammates that we could do it, that it was about the team, pulling together, putting in your best effort, about winning.

I just didn't see that kind of leadership in Geno. I looked for it, but just didn't see it, or nearly enough of it. That's all.

That's what I was writing about in that post.

 

[IndyHawk]

I don't know how others view it but when the LV WR couldn't get Geno's
ball in the EZ last week.
Geno, with his helmet off, making faces, throwing his head back and yelling
doesn't seem like very encouraging actions towards teammates.
Perhaps I'm missing something in all that..