NFL.com's ranking of QBs puts Geno at #12

[SoulfishHawk]

Hurts is a much better overall QB. Doesn't even feel close, imo.

 

[Ozzy]

In your OPINION. Several Picks in the red zone. Several DROPPED easy picks. That's plenty enough evidence to support my stance. Again, we will NEVER agree on Geno. And that's fine. It's really not a huge deal. I respect your opinion. But not as much when it comes with a condescending response. The EXACT thing that you accuse me of, often.

Even Macdonald has said Geno needs to clean up his decision making. Even removing every pick that wasn't his fault you're still left with a high number of actual picks and throws that should've been picked. This is why when people say "its only the other site" and no one is saying "Geno is near elite or near perfect" I laugh because that's exactly what people claim over and over.

 

[flv2]

I have felt throughout Geno's tenure that he loses his composure and makes very poor decisions. Especially in either end zone area.
It has certainly not been a last year thing only.
Also he lost 2 starting jobs because of his decision making not because he lacked talent.
He has improved since back when he started for sure but last year he regressed. Your the one rewriting history on Geno.

Smith exceeded 3 of his 5 salary escalator targets in 2024. That doesn't indicate regression. For sure he also made plenty of bad decisions and he got lucky with more than his fair share of those plays. It just depends on what details any individual fan sees as being crucial. Smith can play at a high level. However, he's not a top 10 QB and a significant number of NFL QBs related below him have the potential to move ahead of him.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Missed the playoffs. Loaded up on stats between the 20's. Wasn't good against very good teams. Turnover machine in the red zone.

 

[toffee]

Smith exceeded 3 of his 5 salary escalator targets in 2024. That doesn't indicate regression. For sure he also made plenty of bad decisions and he got lucky with more than his fair share of those plays. It just depends on what details any individual fan sees as being crucial. Smith can play at a high level. However, he's not a top 10 QB and a significant number of NFL QBs related below him have the potential to move ahead of him.

I think the constant QB pressure has gotten to him and he responded with bad habits. It happened to the best of them, even all-pro HOF Steve Young, when Barton, Wallace and company lost a step or two, Steve just ain't the same.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

At times, absolutely. There's no way in hell that a QB doesn't have a clock in their head when they're running for their lives.
The difference is that plenty of guys still get the job done and don't panic as much.

 

[Wsumatt1982]

Missed the playoffs. Loaded up on stats between the 20's. Wasn't good against very good teams. Turnover machine in the red zone.

I know I defend Geno a lot so this may be surprising. I'm not a huge fan of his, never have been. But yes I do still think he is our greatest path to success in 2025 unless something unforeseen happens like he just gets beat out by whatever rookie we draft. To have a 70% completion rate is elite. That's probably his one elite trait. He didn't have the best options either. Lockett was non-existent. DK was double covered. Fant was nothing to be feared. Barner did well for a rookie and JSN was a complete unknown until halfway through the season. We had a horrible play caller with no run game or creativity to speak of. Once we got in the red zone the defense knew 100% it was a pass. Shrink the field, lack creativity and take the guessing game out and turnovers are what you get. I won't put it all on Geno. Can he improve? Sure. But you need balance for anybody to succeed. Geno is middle of the pack, that's what we are paying him to be and that's what he is. Everyone wants an Elite QB but there are only a handful out there. They never become available.

I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. But he's far from as bad as people make him out to be. I want competition and someone to take over sooner rather than later just like everyone else. At least that's something we can all agree on. I truly believe JS has some guys in mind this draft he would like to bring in to develop. There hasn't been much in the draft the last 5 years or so except very highly picked guys and even those have been more miss than hit.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

He's a trip. Sometimes you're like WOW, how did he make that throw? Other times you're like what the hell is he doing?
He's above average. Def. doesn't suck at all. But he's also not close to elite, imo. He's not clutch. I hope to be wrong, but I just don't see it.

 

[toffee]

At times, absolutely. There's no way in hell that a QB doesn't have a clock in their head when they're running for their lives.
The difference is that plenty of guys still get the job done and don't panic as much.

You aren't talking about Mahomes in the Super Bowl, are ya?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

The guy who went to 5 out of 6 and won 3? Let me guess, after a bad game, he's all the sudden overrated? Blah blah blah.

Geno isn't even in the conversation with Mahomes. One of the best of all time, period.
Maybe if Geno wins, oh I don't know....a SINGLE PLAYOFF GAME then we can talk. Come on man

 

[JayhawkMike]

Geno Fan Troll Tactics 101:
#1. "We have to have someone as good or better to replace him TODAY or we have to keep him."
Bullshit. Short term thinking. Draft and Develop a QB. We aren't that close to post season success. Let's try for a Super Bowl
#2. "NAME the replacement"
Also Bullshit. Whatever name anyone comes up with will just be shat upon by the Blind Geno Followers.
#3."If only we had a better line . . ."
He had MORE time in the pocket before pressure than more than half of the starting QBs. It's not a time issue its a decision making issue.
#4 "If only he had a better OC. . . ."
He's had several over his career and yet cannot get to and win a single playoff game or even START most of his career.
#5 "But if we improved the line AND the OC and the rest of the Offense and Defense"
First, with what damn cap space but also IF the whole team improved what the hell would we need Geno's overpaid arse for when any practice squad QB could do well on an otherwise perfect team.
#6 "But you only love/hate Geno because of RW or PC or ....
Total Bullshit
#7 "But THIS year we can win in the playoffs with Geno"
Those who don't learn from history are bound to repeat it. Another mediocre (WASTED) season
#8 "But how about a run game"
So we need to overpay him to hand off the ball and make 4 yard passes at that price?"
#9 "But there is no one good to draft"
There is but JS is just that bad of a GM. He found one lucky nut and then acts like after the fact he was interested in Mahomes or Allen etc. but he never did jack so it means nothing.

 

[Scout]

Honestly sometimes it can not be all on the player. Coaches have to realize what players can and can not do. So, if Geno is struggling in the red zone you need to change your approach. Seahawks have WRs that can win jump balls and RBs that can kick it to the outside corner hitting that pylon.

If you look at the top red zone offense they tend to be physical teams that still can do some misdirection or have their receiving targets win 1 on 1s in the end zone.

Seattle has the players to make it happen but sometimes play calling and coaches have to help out in situation football. Red zone, short yardage, and 2 minute warnings. True, QB's like Hurts are gifted in those situations. But really most often than not you need an OC that is creative and willing to really throw wrinkles in a condensed field.

 

[Double Tribble]

We got spoiled watching Russ convert in the red zone. It was near automatic. He would throw those beautiful fade lobs into the corners, or run it, or read option, or theow a dart, or simply improvise. But he got it done, most of the time. With Geno, you're actually surprised when he scores a td in the red zone. We can, and we must do better. We did it before, so why are we settling for mediocrity now? Let's Goooo!

 

[Ozzy]

We got spoiled watching Russ convert in the red zone. It was near automatic. He would throw those beautiful fade lobs into the corners, or run it, or read option, or theow a dart, or simply improvise. But he got it done, most of the time. With Geno, you're actually surprised when he scores a td in the red zone. We can, and we must do better. We did it before, so why are we settling for mediocrity now? Let's Goooo!

Prime Russ was so much fun to watch.

 

[Wsumatt1982]

Geno Fan Troll Tactics 101:
#1. "We have to have someone as good or better to replace him TODAY or we have to keep him."
Bullshit. Short term thinking. Draft and Develop a QB. We aren't that close to post season success. Let's try for a Super Bowl
#2. "NAME the replacement"
Also Bullshit. Whatever name anyone comes up with will just be shat upon by the Blind Geno Followers.
#3."If only we had a better line . . ."
He had MORE time in the pocket before pressure than more than half of the starting QBs. It's not a time issue its a decision making issue.
#4 "If only he had a better OC. . . ."
He's had several over his career and yet cannot get to and win a single playoff game or even START most of his career.
#5 "But if we improved the line AND the OC and the rest of the Offense and Defense"
First, with what damn cap space but also IF the whole team improved what the hell would we need Geno's overpaid arse for when any practice squad QB could do well on an otherwise perfect team.
#6 "But you only love/hate Geno because of RW or PC or ....
Total Bullshit
#7 "But THIS year we can win in the playoffs with Geno"
Those who don't learn from history are bound to repeat it. Another mediocre (WASTED) season
#8 "But how about a run game"
So we need to overpay him to hand off the ball and make 4 yard passes at that price?"
#9 "But there is no one good to draft"
There is but JS is just that bad of a GM. He found one lucky nut and then acts like after the fact he was interested in Mahomes or Allen etc. but he never did jack so it means nothing.

I’m sorry but every point you think you made is laughable and can easily be disputed and debunked. Might go back and read. I know all those points have been addressed at one point or another. We can very easily cut a couple players and restructure Geno to where he is only making $20 million (a bargain) and have roughly $60 million to build the rest of the team around him. Fills a couple O line spots, adds depth, covers your draft, gets an upgrade wherever they see fit and still has room for mid season signings/trades.

Extending Geno is long term thinking. You draft someone you hope you can develop while still trying to win now. Next year hopefully that QB can take over and you cut Geno then. It may take 2 years but it buys you time to find and develop someone. It shows you care as an organization about winning. That makes it so your players want to stay and FA’s want to come here. The organization and players love Geno. You get rid of him now while a window is opening for what is most likely a 2025 downgrade QB whoever that may be and the team quits on you. Players won’t resign. FA’s won’t come here without overpaying. JS gets fired. Mike M gets fired. Now you start over and you’re looking 5-10 years to rebuild your culture and maybe be competitive.

Look no further than the Browns, trading for Watson started all that. Now Garrett wants out, the best player on your team. What message do you think the rest of their players are thinking? Total rebuild, get me out ASAP. I know that’s an extreme but that’s the reality and trickle down effect and sets you back for a long time. Your way may work but it’s very slim and you have to hit at a high rate on many drafts and that’s not easy. You keep saying those oppose you are shortsighted when in reality it’s you who are shortsighted thinking one position does not effect the entire team and the future of the organization. You miss on a QB that is already hard to hit on with a class that is considered a development class. See you in 2035 when we are hopefully relevant again.

 

[Sol Duc]

Just behind Justin Herbert, and ahead of Sam Darnold, Brock Purdy and CJ Stroud:

Ranking all 59 starting quarterbacks from the 2024 NFL season: Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen at No. 1?

That's very generous ranking, LOL

 

[flv2]

That's very generous ranking, LOL

I'd say it was fair. However, it's merely a ranking review of the 2024 season from a quarterbacking point of view. There are multiple QB seasons rated behind him mainly down to those QBs being injured and playing less than 12 games. Smith had a better/healthier 2024 season than Tagovailoa, Prescott, Carr, and Lawrence. It's not a projection for 2025.

I'd also expect a good veteran QB to be ahead of inexperienced 1st round picks. Smith is ahead of 8 of the 9 1st round QBs from the last 2 Drafts. Going forward those younger QBs are obviously more valuable than Smith.

Purdy is clearly more valuable than Smith and it's in the eye of the beholder if people prefer Smith to Darnold, Murray, or Cousins. Based on potential quality of play and contract cost I could see Smith being anywhere from #10 to #28 in a 'rate QBs from most to least wanted' list for 2025.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Prime Russ was so much fun to watch.

Yep. Prime Russ was a cold-blooded killer with the game on the line. One of the best finishers we've seen in this league.

 

[Seahawker]

I'd say it was fair. However, it's merely a ranking review of the 2024 season from a quarterbacking point of view. There are multiple QB seasons rated behind him mainly down to those QBs being injured and playing less than 12 games. Smith had a better/healthier 2024 season than Tagovailoa, Prescott, Carr, and Lawrence. It's not a projection for 2025.

I'd also expect a good veteran QB to be ahead of inexperienced 1st round picks. Smith is ahead of 8 of the 9 1st round QBs from the last 2 Drafts. Going forward those younger QBs are obviously more valuable than Smith.

Purdy is clearly more valuable than Smith and it's in the eye of the beholder if people prefer Smith to Darnold, Murray, or Cousins. Based on potential quality of play and contract cost I could see Smith being anywhere from #10 to #28 in a 'rate QBs from most to least wanted' list for 2025.

 

[Wsumatt1982]

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