Nobody watching Russ?

[Ozzy]

Nah I’m not in the mood to argue about Geno being elite or not. We’ve done it for weeks. We disagree and I’m ok with that.

 

[Chapow]

I've never once said Geno is elite. Not once. I'm merely pointing out the double standard, and the fact that some here are much more hyper critical of Geno than they are of other QB's.

 

[Cyrus12]

Who said that? I said he’s better than Geno and I’m not even sure it’s arguable this year. He can move at least so he would negate some of the line issues. Like I said earlier he was pressured on half his drop backs in this game and still was 12-15 at that time. I’m not sure if Geno is hurt but he doesn’t move in the pocket lately.

Would Geno look better than he is in Pittsburgh?

 

[Ozzy]

I've never once said Geno is elite. Not once. I'm merely pointing out the double standard, and the fact that some here are much more hyper critical of Geno than they are of other QB's.

Crap I thought you were Cyrus and just trolling me so I was messing with him lol my bad.

Geno is near the league leader in picks and in the bottom 3 in touchdown passes for starters. As this season continues it’s getting harder and harder to argue people are too critical of Geno in my opinion.

I hope he plays lights out down the stretch though and proves everyone wrong.

 

[Cyrus12]

Nah I’m not in the mood to argue about Geno being elite or not. We’ve done it for weeks. We disagree and I’m ok with that.

I've never said Geno is elite. I've always maintained hes a bridge to something....

 

[Ozzy]

Would Geno look better than he is in Pittsburgh?

I would’ve said yes a month ago, now? I’m not sure.

 

[Ozzy]

And the Pittsburg line is rated almost as bad as ours and he would have less weapons. So how would he be better in Pittsburg @Cyrus12 ?

 

[OrangeGravy]

Who said that? I said he’s better than Geno and I’m not even sure it’s arguable this year. He can move at least so he would negate some of the line issues. Like I said earlier he was pressured on half his drop backs in this game and still was 12-15 at that time. I’m not sure if Geno is hurt but he doesn’t move in the pocket lately.

Don't ever stop being you

 

[RiverDog]

Love him or loathe him, Russell has had a very good season, by far his best since 2020. If he can get the Steelers deep into the playoffs, he might still make it to the HOF.

But not yesterday. Russell committed two huge turnovers that cost his team the game. The first came when he didn't go down inside the Ravens' 5-yard line and coughed the ball up, robbing his team of about a 90% chance of scoring a TD. The second came on a horrendous pick 6 that was all on him. That's arguably a 14-point swing on those two plays.

The good news for Russell fans is that the Steelers have already clinched a playoff spot. No matter what happens, we'll be watching Russ in January.

 

[Ozzy]

Don't ever stop being you

Most of this is me and Cyrus trolling each other.

 

[Cyrus12]

And the Pittsburg line is rated almost as bad as ours and he would have less weapons. So how would he be better in Pittsburg @Cyrus12 ?

I didn't think the protection for Russ was bad at all..Theres always going to be times where the qb is hurried..It seems when the pocket collapses on Geno fans say it's because he holds the ball too long. So would Geno look better in Pittsburgh to answer the question? Imo yes, their passing and running appears way more balanced, the oline is better even if it's marginal like you say and coaching overall is better. How much better? Who knows...but I still don't think Russ is miles ahead better than Geno. They are both mid tier qb's that can perform well in certain systems.

 

[Ozzy]

I didn't think the protection for Russ was bad at all..Theres always going to be times where the qb is hurried..It seems when the pocket collapses on Geno fans say it's because he holds the ball too long. So would Geno look better in Pittsburgh to answer the question? Imo yes, their passing and running appears way more balanced, the oline is better even if it's marginal like you say and coaching overall is better. How much better? Who knows...but I still don't think Russ is miles ahead better than Geno. They are both mid tier qb's that can perform well in certain systems.

Well every site they tracks it says their line is terrible. I don’t think going from 32st to 29th is going to make a massive difference for Geno. Going from 31st (Maye with the worst rated line is playing better than Geno by the way as a rookie) to 10th? Yeah I think Geno would put up good numbers. He’s a talented thrower and can make plays for sure. I’m not sure if it’s because he’s hurt or what but he’s just not moving as well as he had in the past to me.

I think Russ has been significantly better than Geno during his career but you’re free to disagree.

As far as coaching being better? Maybe? Who knows? I do know Geno has a better supporting cast outside of the line and you guys don’t like to admit it but it’s at least a part of the equation for me. Like the line differences we don’t know how much but it all factors in, we can’t just pick and choose what does and doesn’t because it doesn’t fit our narrative.

 

[Ozzy]

Also I don’t think when the line collapses it’s always Geno. I think most of the time it’s the line. But I think many pro Geno fans are quick to give him an out every time as if nothing is his fault. He’s been really good between the 20’s. He’s got to be smarter in the red zone, he just does

 

[Cyrus12]

Well every site they tracks it says their line is terrible. I don’t think going from 32st to 29th is going to make a massive difference for Geno. Going from 31st (Maye with the worst rated line is playing better than Geno by the way as a rookie) to 10th? Yeah I think Geno would put up good numbers. He’s a talented thrower and can make plays for sure. I’m not sure if it’s because he’s hurt or what but he’s just not moving as well as he had in the past to me.

I think Russ has been significantly better than Geno during his career but you’re free to disagree.

As far as coaching being better? Maybe? Who knows? I do know Geno has a better supporting cast outside of the line and you guys don’t like to admit it but it’s at least a part of the equation for me. Like the line differences we don’t know how much but it all factors in, we can’t just pick and choose what does and doesn’t because it doesn’t fit our narrative.

The coaching isn't close and that is huge imo. Good coaches can cover weakneses or plan around them. I don't see any of that in Seattle around the oline. Can't say what's going on with Geno and why he isn't using his legs more or why he isnt rolling out. Gameplan? He certainly won't be doing any running now with a knee issue. I don't think anyone could or would argue that Russ hasn't been better throughout their entire careers. Geno was barely a back up. I don't think I've made that argument but perhaps someone else has?

 

[Palmegranite]

That game saw multiple fumbles, on both sides. The difference was, the Ravens recovered both theirs and the Steelers.
And man, how does Derrick Henry keep from being in a wheelchair after 17 games like that in a season.

Something like 24 carries for 162 punishing yards.

 

[xgeoff]

reminder he’s still without Pickens and not a single other skill position player would even start on Seattle.

Just shows how important the offensive line is. As we’ve seen, things are an order of magnitude harder with a sh*t line.

 

[Chapow]

Well every site they tracks it says their line is terrible. I don’t think going from 32st to 29th is going to make a massive difference for Geno.

PFF is probably the most widely known and used site for those types of rankings. They have our OLine ranked 31st, and the Steelers OLine ranked 21st. There are 32 teams in the league, so a 10 spot difference is certainly not insignificant or marginal.

Would that make a massive difference for Geno? Probably not. But I think it would probably make a noticeable difference. I mean, if you had the power to improve our OLine from 2nd worst in the league to 21st, you'd do that, right? Why? Because that big of an improvement would almost certainly be significant enough to make a difference.

 

[Sperrydogg]

Awful, awful decision by Russ there.

So if good QB's don't make those types of catastrophic mistakes, then Russ and Lamar aren't good QB's? Trying to understand how that logic works.

I see what you’re doing here, so I’ll bite, Russ is a flawed QB and if you keep the reigns tight he can be useful. And Lamar, as good as he is he can be bad too, I have never fully believed he was capable of winning it all. He seems to come up short when it really matters

 

[Ozzy]

PFF is probably the most widely known and used site for those types of rankings. They have our OLine ranked 31st, and the Steelers OLine ranked 21st. There are 32 teams in the league, so a 10 spot difference is certainly not insignificant or marginal.

Would that make a massive difference for Geno? Probably not. But I think it would probably make a noticeable difference. I mean, if you had the power to improve our OLine from 2nd worst in the league to 21st, you'd do that, right? Why? Because that big of an improvement would almost certainly be significant enough to make a difference.

They’re an outlier tho as we posted earlier. Every other site has them closer to each other. Russ was pressured on half his dropbacks. Not sure how much better that is? My point it’s not all the line and some of it is on Geno. There are a ton of terrible lines and the quarterback is getting much better production. Now the pro Geno crowd will say it’s ALL Grubb and the line. The Geno haters will say it’s all Geno. I think a little bit of blame goes to everyone including Geno.

Watching Burrow today and his line looks absolutely terrible and he’s getting crushed yet he keeps finding ways to make plays and extend plays as well. Now it’s not fair to compare Geno to Burrow but when multiple people keep saying Geno is elite then I think it’s fair to do so.

 

[Sperrydogg]

So he walks in and makes Seattle a contender?

Seattle is a contender