Immune from criticism

[TheLegendOfBoom]

One of my biggest concerns with John relates to his previous comments on how he values interior o linemen. Those were his words, not Pete's. There's a difference between accumulating good players and roster building. And if he is always going to be drafting guards in later rounds or bargain bin shopping in FA, we're always going to be where we're at now. One of the few potential blue chippers we do have in K9 is going to waste because of John's philosophy.

This might further piss you off, Seattle, gets a real solid RB in K9, and then a year later, in round 2, drafts Charbonnet……

I’m still thinking, “what the hell type of genius move was that!”

Let’s just draft another RB really high because we don’t already have a talented RB1!!!!

If Charb was a Carroll move then damn but Schneider has had to made picks and moves on his own at some point.

 

[Seak]

This might further piss you off, Seattle, gets a real solid RB in K9, and then a year later, in round 2, drafts Charbonnet……

I’m still thinking, “what the hell type of genius move was that!”

Let’s just draft another RB really high because we don’t already have a talented RB1!!!!

If Charb was a Carroll move then damn but Schneider has had to made picks and moves on his own at some point.

I didn't mind it so much, RBs always seem to get hurt and we got stung with those injuries more then once

Now this season, maybe it would have nice to have a 2nd round o line guy. No guarantee that would have worked out with JS "eye" for O line guys

 

[Maelstrom787]

This might further piss you off, Seattle, gets a real solid RB in K9, and then a year later, in round 2, drafts Charbonnet……

I’m still thinking, “what the hell type of genius move was that!”

Let’s just draft another RB really high because we don’t already have a talented RB1!!!!

If Charb was a Carroll move then damn but Schneider has had to made picks and moves on his own at some point.

It was probably both of them. Carson and Penny together at full strength would've won us a Super Bowl in 2019. Instead we had Marshawn Lynch doing his best off the couch and missed the NFCCG by a hair.

I see the vision they had at the time, but this offensive philosophy is just squandering the hell out of it.

I would do unholy things to have Schottenheimer and Solari take this offense over and start punishing teams. This team is built to run the ball and run it WELL.

I bet Schneider is displeased behind the scenes with the lack of balance.

 

[nanomoz]

Incorrect. JS doesn't value guards.

JS: "Guards are overdrafted and over payed"

Yes, clearly.

I like John. But this is an unimpeachable criticism. As is the revolving door at center. We're not asking for the Lions's offensive line. But can we please get to mediocre?

 

[Aircrew]

They're not going to gel if the coaching can't find some concepts to build on.

I'm fine with losing. I'm not fine with not improving, and I'm not fine with an offensive philosophy that is fully incompatible with success in the modern NFL.

Well said.

 

[Seahawks fan]

I'm not as harsh on JS as many are, but he absolutely does not get a pass just because he had a boss.

If JS wasn't a real GM, he would've left.

Point. Blank. Period.

A Boss?... Who?.. How can you blame a GM that doesn't have roster control?.. Slow down and look at the drafts they had until Pete lost his control and look at the drafts after Pete lost control.. What has John done since he took total control that upsets you so?...

 

[Seahawks fan]

A lot of people have been blaming him. I'm one of them. His trades after our SB run have been shit, his signings have been shit and his drafts have been way more miss than hit. He's been riding the coat tails of 3 all-time greatest/luckiest hits in the draft for far too long. He needs to go.

Pete still had final roster say and that included trades, it's hard to blame John for a Pete Carroll trade...

 

[Sperrydogg]

That's what I think as well...if your going to get rid of Pete Schneider holds responsibility as well ESPECIALLY cause he threw Pete under the bus! Now, prove it and John!

Who’s Pete Schneider?

 

[RiverDog]

I'm so sick of all the back-and-forth about Geno and MM. When does THIS GUY start getting some blame??

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We moved on from ME3. We moved on from Pete. He's the only constant. I'm so sick and tired of this team getting pushed and shoved around and looking like complete garbage in the trenches. This is all on John. Sure, they have good individual pieces (who doesn't?). But this team is soft AF where it really counts. And the depth sucks too!

I don't object to holding JS accountable, but it's way too short of a period of time. He's worked in the shadow of Pete Carroll, who was his boss and had veto authority over anything Schneider proposed. Was the Adams trade Schneider's idea or Pete's? Who knows, but Pete could have said no. Maybe JS said something like "What do you think about this: Adams for two first?" Not really thinking it was such a good trade. We'll never know.

8 games into his first 17 game regular season without Pete looking over his shoulder is a bit too short of time to pass judgement.

 

[Maelstrom787]

A Boss?... Who?.. How can you blame a GM that doesn't have roster control?.. Slow down and look at the drafts they had until Pete lost his control and look at the drafts after Pete lost control.. What has John done since he took total control that upsets you so?...

...what? I just said I'm not that upset with him. Read a little closer.

And you're out of your mind if you think John Schneider was just sitting here for 14 years with his thumb up his ass doing nothing.

Everyone has a boss. Pete has a boss, am I to assume that Paul Allen and then Jody did everything for Pete? Does delegation not exist in this fantasy world you're telling us about?

Pete hired John to be the general manager of the team. If you think that makes his track record, which is more good than bad, irrelevant just because he had a boss... welp, have fun never being able to judge anybody ever again since the vast majority of us have a boss.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Pete still had final roster say and that included trades, it's hard to blame John for a Pete Carroll trade...

John negotiated these trades. It is WELL DOCUMENTED that John did the legwork on major trades, including Russell Wilson. John is the one who made the demands as far as compensation went, John is the one who procured the meetings, John is the one who made them happen.

Pete gave the OK, but John was the guy actually doing the stuff.

Do you know *why* John did that stuff?

Because Pete hired John to be the general manager.

 

[Maelstrom787]

I like John. But this is an unimpeachable criticism. As is the revolving door at center. We're not asking for the Lions's offensive line. But can we please get to mediocre?

It's a fair criticism because the results have been ass, but I'm not going to let my current pain to override the validity of John's points here.

I ain't giving 20 million to Robert Hunt lol. I ain't giving 16 to Dame Lewis either. John's got a point. That's silly money for non-elite guards.

I'd love to get to mediocre, but honestly, we should be able to get close with just competent coaching on the OL, which we really haven't had since Solari.

I like drafting OL over paying OL, but we can't develop them for shit. Look at Green Bay, though. Same sort of idea, but they can take day 3 draftees and develop them into true starters. Rasheed Walker is their left tackle, Zach Tom is their right tackle. They're doing well and both were day 3 picks.

That's what we need. Not $20 million per year guards, but the ability to actually develop the talent we continually draft and then waste with incompetent stewardship of the young blockers.

 

[Ozzy]

It was probably both of them. Carson and Penny together at full strength would've won us a Super Bowl in 2019. Instead we had Marshawn Lynch doing his best off the couch and missed the NFCCG by a hair.

I see the vision they had at the time, but this offensive philosophy is just squandering the hell out of it.

I would do unholy things to have Schottenheimer and Solari take this offense over and start punishing teams. This team is built to run the ball and run it WELL.

I bet Schneider is displeased behind the scenes with the lack of balance.

You have way more faith in the line than I do. I hope I’m wrong though and this line clicks when it gets Lucas back.

 

[Maelstrom787]

You have way more faith in the line than I do. I hope I’m wrong though and this line clicks when it gets Lucas back.

I have absolutely zero faith in the line whatsoever right now. I just think that they would be *passable* with a better-than-average OL coach.

 

[knownone]

It's a fair criticism because the results have been ass, but I'm not going to let my current pain to override the validity of John's points here.

I ain't giving 20 million to Robert Hunt lol. I ain't giving 16 to Dame Lewis either. John's got a point. That's silly money for non-elite guards.

I'd love to get to mediocre, but honestly, we should be able to get close with just competent coaching on the OL, which we really haven't had since Solari.

I like drafting OL over paying OL, but we can't develop them for shit. Look at Green Bay, though. Same sort of idea, but they can take day 3 draftees and develop them into true starters. Rasheed Walker is their left tackle, Zach Tom is their right tackle. They're doing well and both were day 3 picks.

That's what we need. Not $20 million per year guards, but the ability to actually develop the talent we continually draft and then waste with incompetent stewardship of the young blockers.

At some point, it might be worth overpaying for continuity. We've started two new interior linemen in three straight seasons, and everything I've read about O-line play is that it takes time, sometimes one or two years, for units to start to gel. So, while John is avoiding a market inefficiency, he might also be magnifying the issue. Right. If you can't develop linemen, you better start investing more in them.

 

[Maelstrom787]

At some point, it might be worth overpaying for continuity. We've started two new interior linemen in three straight seasons, and everything I've read about O-line play is that it takes time, sometimes one or two years, for units to start to gel. So, while John is avoiding a market inefficiency, he might also be magnifying the issue. Right. If you can't develop linemen, you better start investing more in them.

I would agree in most cases, but frankly, I think we'd squander the talent if we did shell out. We sucked with Damien Lewis. Everyone on the line is part of a dysfunctional unit right now, and I don't think we'd be seeing a large amount of offensive success even with 2 high-paid guards and Abe Lucas at RT.

At some point, the complete lack of actual concepts that the offense can execute with appropriate timing, appropriate spacing, etc. needs to be fixed because no amount of realistically-obtainable talent can outpace the lack of competency as a full offensive unit.

I think if you gave late-Seahawks-tenure Tom Cable 5 top-15-at-their-spot linemen for free, for instance, he would've trotted them out there and they would've returned a 20th-best-OL performance.

I just don't think talent fixes this. I don't think they'd know what to do with the talent. See K9 for a non-OL example (and Geno).

 

[AVL]

Like many teams, the hawks need a new owner. Why did they keep half of the previous problem?

 

[chris98251]

Like many teams, the hawks need a new owner. Why did they keep half of the previous problem?

Ok maybe Dan Snyder will want another go and you can all be happy You guys don't know when you have it good.

 

[Seahawks fan]

John negotiated these trades. It is WELL DOCUMENTED that John did the legwork on major trades, including Russell Wilson. John is the one who made the demands as far as compensation went, John is the one who procured the meetings, John is the one who made them happen.

Pete gave the OK, but John was the guy actually doing the stuff.

Do you know *why* John did that stuff?

Because Pete hired John to be the general manager.

Slowdown... Sure, John did all the work on trades and drafting. But, He only did that because Pete told him to make it happened.. I'm not sure you understand what final roster control means it means very trade, draft pick, free agent signing happened because Pete wanted it, I'm pretty sure John had little say in that time, and if you pay attention after Pete lost control you notice our drafts got better, trades got better & free agency got better..

 

[Seahawks fan]

...what? I just said I'm not that upset with him. Read a little closer.

And you're out of your mind if you think John Schneider was just sitting here for 14 years with his thumb up his ass doing nothing.

Everyone has a boss. Pete has a boss, am I to assume that Paul Allen and then Jody did everything for Pete? Does delegation not exist in this fantasy world you're telling us about?

Pete hired John to be the general manager of the team. If you think that makes his track record, which is more good than bad, irrelevant just because he had a boss... welp, have fun never being able to judge anybody ever again since the vast majority of us have a boss.

.. Pete was John's boss, that means John did as Pete said, but you seem to be blaming John for everything and giving Pete a pass, look back at when Pete lost his control of the roster and you'll see our drafts got better, trades got better...