Macdonald: "Geno Answering the Call"

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Were any of those a rookie HC and a college OC?
Such a bizarre set of criteria to evaluate. There are thousands of attributes your could put together and ask: "Well, does it look like this?"

The standard typically used is prior success...our HC and OC both have that in spades. Add in Leslie Frazier and what he has done in Buffalo. This combo makes a lot of sense to me as an effort to build a coaching staff that knows how to win and has been successful at the hightest levels (NFL and NCAA D1).

Does that guarentee success? Of course not...nothing does. But the strategy and potential is not misguided homerism.
 

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The square peg / round hole thing has been disproven.

Pete was blamed for neutering a passing game the entire time wilson was here. Wilson leaves, and his typical 1/3rd field utilization, bomb or die, 3 and out fest followed him to Denver.

Meanwhile, in Seattle, the passing game and QB, were the only facets of the team that looked legit with the exception of KWs brief run of productivity his rookie year.

Pete was blamed for being the orchestratir of the run run pass punt offense. After Russ left, we literally became the pass run pass offense.

I dont see how any of that can be reasonably debated, particularly seeing as how Russ was gifted an offensive mastermind in Peyton... and we know what Peyton thought of Russ's ability as a QB...

Like i said, Dude was good at playing his own game. And he did that spectacularly. But as was reported extensivle last year, Russ was barely even capable of speaking out Peytons' plays in the huddle, let alone actually running them after the snap, or audibling before it.

Pete had his foibles. Pete was conservative at times. He forced players out of position at times to suit his style of DEFENSE. But to say he handcuffed the offense and Russ at this point is ludicrous when the growing concensus across the league is now that Russ was a beneficiary of Carroll's scheming around his deficiencies and allowing him to play Russ ball, something obviously no other coach since has been willing to let him do (because it no longer works and hasnt for almost 4 years now).

The dude can get outplayed by Fields this year and never find success under anothet NFL HC and some will STILL say Pete held him back.

If he does, it will be 3 HCs that found him inadequate. Yet somehow the one that brought him success somehow hamdcuffed him??

And post 2015, the Hawks had top 10 rushing attacks and a miffle of the pack D tbrough 2019. Hr carried the team the year we had literally no warm bodies to run the ball. It wasnt because he trascended the game or that the team was hapless without him. You paint it as if he saved Pete and the organization from themselves, wgrn in reality, had he ever been forced to do duting that period what Peyton and Hackett made him do, we would have looked much the dame as they did.

But lets not argue. Just see what homey does in Pittsburgh. This will all be settled in good time.

Russ's is writing his true legacy at this point, pen in hand. And the last three years have been chicken scratch. The longer he plays, the lower the percentage of stellar career years he has and the further in the rear view theyll be.

Your definition of the 'square peg/round hole' is different than mine. It's not just about neutering the passing game. It's about continuing to do something eventhough it's not working. Examples - running the read option with a hobbled Wilson that was no threat to run. Running the same running play 5 out of 6 plays. Being conservative when that was not an option. Going into post season games with game plans destined to fail. Trying to oppose his will against superior talent. Not understanding what other teams were doing. Etc,,,. I've always said that Carroll needed optimum talent to be successful as he rarely could outcoach the opposing head coach. Wilson had 24 4th quarter comeback wins for Seattle during his time here. He helped Pete no matter what you think or thought of him.

After Russ left the offense did indeed change. Pete had a backup QB that was nothing more than a game manager and a poor running game because the Oline was ignored for so long. Fans want to act like it's a good thing and a breath of fresh air when it netted two consecutive 9-8 seasons (thank the lord for tthe extra game). It's .500 ball. That was cause for excitement? The only thing that caused was his undoing.

Carrying a team for any reason is pretty special. Not many can do that. Not Geno, that's for sure.

What will be settled in Pittsburgh? He's done. He was done in Denver. He was done after his last injury in Seattle. None of that takes away from his stellar play and talent during his prime.
 

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As much as id want to say youre being negative, i cant. On paper the future is bright. But our staff has proven literally nothing in the positions they currently hold.

Exactly. That's why I caution the high expectations of some. You just never know.
 

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Were any of those a rookie HC and a college OC?
The point is all of them were unexpected, wildly unlikely. The 1999 Rams after starting QB Trent Green blew out his knee in preseason?
Then Dick Vermeil said, "We will rally around Kurt Warner and we will play good football." Chatterbox Vermeil, uncharacteristically, failed to add: "We sent scouts to check out Kurt stocking the shelves at Hy-Vee and they were blown away by his ability to hit the open spot on the shelf with every can. Super Bowl--BOOK IT!"

So no, the Seahawks have zero QBs with Hy-Vee shelf stocking experience in that hotbed of SB Champ QB development, Cedar Falls, Iowa.
 

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Such a bizarre set of criteria to evaluate. There are thousands of attributes your could put together and ask: "Well, does it look like this?"

The standard typically used is prior success...our HC and OC both have that in spades. Add in Leslie Frazier and what he has done in Buffalo. This combo makes a lot of sense to me as an effort to build a coaching staff that knows how to win and has been successful at the hightest levels (NFL and NCAA D1).

Does that guarentee success? Of course not...nothing does. But the strategy and potential is not misguided homerism.
I keep forgetting about the Leslie Frazier hire, thank you for the reminder! There's probably a thread or two here where his evolving role is being discussed.
 
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Exactly. That's why I caution the high expectations of some. You just never know.
There may be a few that have "high expectations", which I would agree aren't justified yet. High expectations were warranted at the end of 2012.

What I see from most is healthy optimism. There is a legit reason to believe we could be better than last year and should if our HC/OC combo continues their track record.
 

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For a rookie HC having a Geno Smith leading the offense is a net positive. Especially if it gives Mac time to glue together this ultra talented defense by mid season.
That's a very good point. I was on the keep-Geno train, but I never thought about it like that. Not having the QB situation be a distraction is definitely helpful for a first-time HC.
 

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Something I've noticed watching both Fresno St. and Washington during the Grubb years, his offense always made the QB look clutch when the game was on the line with little time left. And we've seen Geno do that under Waldron, so I think Geno is the perfect QB to run Grubb's offense, I'm optimistic Grubb & Geno are gonna mesh very well together.
One more thing I'd like to add to this, Grubb's QB's have not only been clutch, they've been TOUGH! Go watch Jake Haener against UCLA a few years back, he led a GW drive with injured ribs that were clearly hurting him. Penix also played through injury on multiple occasions. I'm not really the "take an advil & get back on the field" kind of guy, but I do admire grit when I see it. I think Geno has that same mentality, you seen it against the Giants last season. I'll say it again, I am optimistic about seeing what Grubb & Geno are gonna do to this offense.
 

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There may be a few that have "high expectations", which I would agree aren't justified yet. High expectations were warranted at the end of 2012.

What I see from most is healthy optimism. There is a legit reason to believe we could be better than last year and should if our HC/OC combo continues their track record.

Love it. Well said. I honestly feel like what they are doing is right. They very well could be good. Still feel like it's a couple of
years though due to LB and QB liabilities.
 

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I go over our schedule and try to see how those games should turn out but I just can't settle on a record. I don't know how these changes are going to take effect or how other teams have changed. One thing I really like is the reaction our players are having, especially those who have been playing elsewhere. To a man every player is very upbeat and enthusiastic about the way things are developing and about our chances in this upcoming season. If they are, I am too.
 

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I mean look at Geno now and two years ago bro put in some serious work. If Grubb can work his magic on Geno like he did Penix and Haener, Geno ‘s haters are going to be real quiet this season.
I’m liking the way you’re thinking on this.

I’m on the fence with Geno but truly believe he has the “potential” to do very well.

Fact remains, lots of guys have “potential” that is dependent on the support around them.

David Carr always comes to my mind in these conversations.
 

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If we are comparing Geno to Gannon well then Gannon didn't really hit his peak till year 4 of his Raider stint. Geno is capable of functioning in Grubb's offense because the 4 vert offense puts pressure on safeties and Geno can make the throws.

And because of the spacing with the 4 verts it makes passing lanes much easier on the QB. While Waldron and McVay variations offense tend to cluster WRs near the LoS to attack zone defenses or aid in run blocking.

Very different style of offense.
 

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Grub is going to be so good he will get sniped after a couple seasons.
 
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I’m liking the way you’re thinking on this.

I’m on the fence with Geno but truly believe he has the “potential” to do very well.

Fact remains, lots of guys have “potential” that is dependent on the support around them.

David Carr always comes to my mind in these conversations.
What happened to Carr in Houston was a crime. 76 sacks in a season...11 fumble recoveries (his own fumbles).

I'm not saying he would have been a world beater...but he certainly didn't have a chance to show what he could do. Those 1st 2 years, had to focus on survival.
 

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