Geno Isn't the Guy. Sad to Say (Main)

[Sgt. Largent]

Geno looked like hot garbage in that game. Running out of clean pockets, missing wide open receivers, bad decision making, etc,,,. All the things that people blamed Wilson for, but for some reason Waldron is getting the blame on here now. Hmmm.

Did anybody have an ounce of confidence that Geno would get it done at the end of the game? I won $5 anyways. Bet a buddy that Geno would take a sack or throw the ball nowhere near a receiver. Easy money.

And i'll say it again, Bobo needs way more playing time. Guy just makes plays.

While I think Geno deserves the lion share of yesterday's poor offensive showing, Waldron certainly deserves some blame as well.

Those red zone series were awful all the way around. When your QB is being hammered with his pocket being collapsed, you need to get more creative. Quick screens, rollout, some play action, etc.

Too many straight drops putting far too much pressure on your already uncomfortable QB to make hurried perfect throws. That is on Waldron too.

 

[SeAhAwKeR4life]

While I think Geno deserves the lion share of yesterday's poor offensive showing, Waldron certainly deserves some blame as well.

Those red zone series were awful all the way around. When your QB is being hammered with his pocket being collapsed, you need to get more creative. Quick screens, rollout, some play action, etc.

Too many straight drops putting far too much pressure on your already uncomfortable QB to make hurried perfect throws. That is on Waldron too.

I watched the PFF show and they didn't make excuses for Geno, but of note, he was pressured more than half the time. The Cincy D had a lot to do with it.

I'm also convinced, by our horrible record off the bye, that the coaching isn't getting the guys ready after the bye.

I have confidence Geno can bounce back, and the Tards are probably a good "reset game". We better get it in gear, and Geno and the OC best have us ready for that Browns D.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I watched the PFF show and they didn't make excuses for Geno, but of note, he was pressured more than half the time. The Cincy D had a lot to do with it.

I'm also convinced, by our horrible record off the bye, that the coaching isn't getting the guys ready after the bye.

I have confidence Geno can bounce back, and the Tards are probably a good "reset game". We better get it in gear, and Geno and the OC best have us ready for that Browns D.

I agree.

I guess my point is this offense has far too much depth and talent on it for it to look as bad as it did yesterday on all those botched scoring drives.

The coordinator bears some blame on that, it's not all on Geno.

IMO after he threw the 1st pick, his confidence was shook and he played scared the rest of the game. Usually he rips those 1st read throws, and he was holding onto the ball too long too many times. Maybe should have gone too some up tempo to get him back in rhythm and confidence.

Again, a coordinator/coaching decision.

 

[Double Tribble]

We need a young qbotf who can assert his will, improvise and take over games if necessary. Geno is not, and never has been that guy. Russ was that guy when he was young. Do whatever it takes to get that guy. Because without him, we will never sniff an owl.

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

While I think Geno deserves the lion share of yesterday's poor offensive showing, Waldron certainly deserves some blame as well.

Those red zone series were awful all the way around. When your QB is being hammered with his pocket being collapsed, you need to get more creative. Quick screens, rollout, some play action, etc.

Too many straight drops putting far too much pressure on your already uncomfortable QB to make hurried perfect throws. That is on Waldron too.

Yeah, Waldron, called a terrible pass offense and did not take advantage of the run schemes and didn’t run Walker enough.

I thought Walker was very efficient but Waldron wanted to continue to pass against a pass rush that was manhandling the offensive line at will.

I don’t understand the logic behind that game plan.

Waldron, stunk it up as well!

Probably one of the worst offensive game planning Waldron has had since he’s been here.

Waldron was terrible.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Yeah, Waldron, called a terrible pass offense and did not take advantage of the run schemes and didn’t run Walker enough.

I thought Walker was very efficient but Waldron wanted to continue to pass against a pass rush that was manhandling the offensive line at will.

I don’t understand the logic behind that game plan.

Waldron, stunk it up as well!

Probably one of the worst offensive game planning Waldron has had since he’s been here.

Waldron was terrible.

As far as the run game goes, I'd honestly like to see more of Charbonnet, especially down by the goalline and short yardage.

Walker still dances around too much at the line. Maybe some of those goalline 3rd downs wouldn't have been so predictable passing downs if Charbonnet was more successful than Walker on 1st and 2nd down because he can at least hammer into the hole and push the pile 2-3 yards forward. Instead of no gains with Walker.

 

[LTH]

We need a young qbotf who can assert his will, improvise and take over games if necessary. Geno is not, and never has been that guy. Russ was that guy when he was young. Do whatever it takes to get that guy. Because without him, we will never sniff an owl.

Geno made some mistakes in this game... but if you look at the O line play Curhan and Bradford, we're horrible. Geno had no time to throw the ball the Bengles were in his face the whole game with the exception of the first drive. So my question to you is what exactly do you want Geno to do... the O line was finally exposed for what it is, a injury torn mess.. the majority was NOT Geno's fault. Hawks couldn't get the running game going, same issue ...the line just got exposed I don't hear anyone blaming walker. Bottom line is with the amount of pressure geno was under there isn't anybody going to do better... go ahead a rewatch the game and see what I'm saying.

LTH

 

[Double Tribble]

It's not just this game I'm talking about. It's every game.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

It's not just this game I'm talking about. It's every game.

If it's every game, then Geno's been one of the top 10-12 most consistently good QB's since he took over as our starting QB.

He was most definitely bad yesterday, but to say it's every game is a head scratcher.

 

[JGreen79]

Missed an easy TD to JSN on the 2nd to last drive. He ran for the first down after what I thought at the time was staring down the primary receiver... But looking at the all 22 just now it would seem like JSN was the primary receiver... Terrible decision here by Geno

 

[JGreen79]

I'm still have faith Geno, but yesterday was bad enough to lower my confidence in him going forward a bit.

 

[Double Tribble]

If it's every game, then Geno's been one of the top 10-12 most consistently good QB's since he took over as our starting QB.

He was most definitely bad yesterday, but to say it's every game is a head scratcher.

I guess that's because I prefer our qb to not be merely good, because good enough, isn't. I want the Hawks to have a top three qb, because the last one we had won a sb. If wanting great things for the Hawks is a crime, then lock me up.

 

[bileever]

This is an overreaction. You're evaluating the QB who is still recovering from an injury and playing behind a banged-up O line. Given the time Geno had, he didn't have the opportunity to look to his second or third options.

We were in a position to win this game, but we weren't able to. It happens. These games aren't played in a vacuum, they have to be played against real life opponents. Sometimes you beat the other guy, and sometimes they beat you.

Justin Herbert tonight was in a similar position, given several chances to score that go-ahead TD in the fourth quarter, and failed. No one's saying that Herbert's got to go.

In yesterday's game, Burrow was 24-35 for 185 yards, Geno was 27/41 for 323 yards. No one's saying that Burrow's a bum. And btw, Brock Purdy wa 12-27 for 125 yards yesterday.

 

[knownone]

Geno's now 2nd behind Josh Allen in CPOE.

 

[Shanegotyou11]

Geno Smith broke the Seahawks (R Wilson) single season passing record
In his first season as starter, he also broke completion % and single season
completions. Now you see why your boy #3 came back much too early from his jacked up finger.

For all the football knowledge you have,
You don't mention G Smith playing with a majority substitute line and how that effected his play, timing , eternal clock.
Cincinnati was able to get pressure mainly with a front 4 . That was the game.

I don't think Geno Smith called the goal line plays but he's getting the blame for them not working.

He broke Wilsons record with a extra gm. Geno has 5tds in 5 games. You cant have that as a QB and expect to win. Do i hope he turns it around? Yes. Will he? I think so.

 

[Lagartixa]

I guess that's because I prefer our qb to not be merely good, because good enough, isn't. I want the Hawks to have a top three qb, because the last one we had won a sb. If wanting great things for the Hawks is a crime, then lock me up.

When the Seahawks won a Super Bowl, their quarterback was not in the top three. By passer rating, he was seventh that year. By QBR, which (unlike passer rating) takes into account QB runs and scrambles, down and distance, field position, fumbles, and sacks, the Seahawks' QB in their title-winning season was ninth. By ANY/A, he was seventh. By completion percentage, which did improve later in his career, he was 13th-best in the league. By passing success rate, the Seahawks' QB in their Lombardi-winning season was 16th in the league. By interception percentage, something at which he got better in the following years, he was 14th-best in the league that year. TD percentage is the only measure I could find by which he was in the top three, and even by that measure, the distance between him and the top two was twice the distance between him and the QB with the tenth-best TD% that season.

Wilson made it into the top five overall for one or two seasons in his career. It's fair to say he was among the top ten in the 2013 season, which is pretty damn good for a second-year quarterback, especially one with the limitations we now know he had and has, but he was not in the top five that season.

The thing is that as we've seen over the last season-and-a-third, even famous and widely respected coaches can't get the kind of performance out of Wilson that Pete Carroll did. Carroll recognized Wilson's strengths and weaknesses and built an offense around maximizing the strengths and minimizing the effect of Wilson's weaknesses. Fans here would later deride this approach as "Pete-ball" and claim Carroll was holding Wilson back. We've now seen that Carroll was the best thing that ever happened to Wilson.

When Carroll was relatively happy after Sunday's game and in yesterday's radio interview, people took that as Carroll not taking winning seriously enough and the fire-Pete crowd said it was yet another reason the Seahawks should get rid of him. I saw it differently. I don't remember ever seeing Carroll so excited about what he saw after a loss. I take that as a tremendously good sign for the rest of the season. He saw the good things that happened in a close loss in a game against a good opponent in that opponent's stadium, and he's clearly excited about how the team is coming together. It doesn't mean he didn't see what went wrong, and I'd be willing to bet there were some hard moments during Tell-the-truth Monday yesterday.

Sports-talk-radio hosts and talking-head mediots on the teevee have been telling us for a long time that a team "must" have a top-of-the-league QB to win in the NFL, and a lot of people have started repeating it. The problem with that is that we've seen a bunch examples since 2000, like the Seahawks in 2013, or like Tom Brady's first three titles (in his 20s, when he was still a "game manager" and hadn't yet had any Peyton Manning-level seasons), or like Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Eli Manning (twice), Joe Flacco, or Nick Foles, times when a "good-enough" QB was indeed good enough. That's ten out of 23 seasons. And only six QBs (plus Stafford, whom I don't know how to place - among the "good enough" or among the top QBs) account for all the other titles since 2000. Hell, I'm being unduly kind putting Rapelisberger in the "top" category. Plus 2015 was bizarre, with age-39 Peyton Manning, who wasn't even what I would have called "good enough," getting a title despite his on-the-field performance having fallen off a cliff. Peak Peyton Manning, Brees, Rodgers, post-2007 Brady, and Mahomes are clearly the kinds of QBs you're talking about, and it's true that those guys won nine titles between them (one, one, one, four, and two so far, respectively), but it's also pretty clear that having that kind of QB is not at all a prerequisite for winning titles.

The example you yourself cited, of the Seahawks' title-winning season, is a great example of a team winning a Lombardi Trophy despite not having one of the top QBs in the league. Wilson was certainly not bad (clearly among the top ten), but was not in the top tier either.

Seahawks management has shown a willingness to package picks to move up in the draft and get a player they want. Off the top of my head, both of the Seahawks top two wide receivers were drafted that way, and so was their punter. If Seahawks management beiieved drafting one of the top QBs in the draft would have given them a better chance at success than staying with Geno Smith, they had the draft capital to do that in 2023 and possibly even in 2022. I believe they didn't do it because they analyzed the possibilities and concluded that more picks and Smith was better for the team's success than fewer picks, a top rookie QB prospect, and the cap savings in 2024 from having a rookie QB instead of Smith. This year, there wouldn't be much cap savings, because Smith's cap number this season is only about $3.2M more than Bryce Young's (#1 overall pick) and about $5.2M more than Witherspoon's (#5 overall pick).

 

[Rosco]

When the Seahawks won a Super Bowl, their quarterback was not in the top three. By passer rating, he was seventh that year. By QBR, which (unlike passer rating) takes into account QB runs and scrambles, down and distance, field position, fumbles, and sacks, the Seahawks' QB in their title-winning season was ninth. By ANY/A, he was seventh. By completion percentage, which did improve later in his career, he was 13th-best in the league. By passing success rate, the Seahawks' QB in their Lombardi-winning season was 16th in the league. By interception percentage, something at which he got better in the following years, he was 14th-best in the league that year. TD percentage is the only measure I could find by which he was in the top three, and even by that measure, the distance between him and the top two was twice the distance between him and the QB with the tenth-best TD% that season.

Wilson made it into the top five overall for one or two seasons in his career. It's fair to say he was among the top ten in the 2013 season, which is pretty damn good for a second-year quarterback, especially one with the limitations we now know he had and has, but he was not in the top five that season.

The thing is that as we've seen over the last season-and-a-third, even famous and widely respected coaches can't get the kind of performance out of Wilson that Pete Carroll did. Carroll recognized Wilson's strengths and weaknesses and built an offense around maximizing the strengths and minimizing the effect of Wilson's weaknesses. Fans here would later deride this approach as "Pete-ball" and claim Carroll was holding Wilson back. We've now seen that Carroll was the best thing that ever happened to Wilson.

When Carroll was relatively happy after Sunday's game and in yesterday's radio interview, people took that as Carroll not taking winning seriously enough and the fire-Pete crowd said it was yet another reason the Seahawks should get rid of him. I saw it differently. I don't remember ever seeing Carroll so excited about what he saw after a loss. I take that as a tremendously good sign for the rest of the season. He saw the good things that happened in a close loss in a game against a good opponent in that opponent's stadium, and he's clearly excited about how the team is coming together. It doesn't mean he didn't see what went wrong, and I'd be willing to bet there were some hard moments during Tell-the-truth Monday yesterday.

Sports-talk-radio hosts and talking-head mediots on the teevee have been telling us for a long time that a team "must" have a top-of-the-league QB to win in the NFL, and a lot of people have started repeating it. The problem with that is that we've seen a bunch examples since 2000, like the Seahawks in 2013, or like Tom Brady's first three titles (in his 20s, when he was still a "game manager" and hadn't yet had any Peyton Manning-level seasons), or like Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Eli Manning (twice), Joe Flacco, or Nick Foles, times when a "good-enough" QB was indeed good enough. That's ten out of 23 seasons. And only six QBs (plus Stafford, whom I don't know how to place - among the "good enough" or among the top QBs) account for all the other titles since 2000. Hell, I'm being unduly kind putting Rapelisberger in the "top" category. Plus 2015 was bizarre, with age-39 Peyton Manning, who wasn't even what I would have called "good enough," getting a title despite his on-the-field performance having fallen off a cliff. Peak Peyton Manning, Brees, Rodgers, post-2007 Brady, and Mahomes are clearly the kinds of QBs you're talking about, and it's true that those guys won nine titles between them (one, one, one, four, and two so far, respectively), but it's also pretty clear that having that kind of QB is not at all a prerequisite for winning titles.

The example you yourself cited, of the Seahawks' title-winning season, is a great example of a team winning a Lombardi Trophy despite not having one of the top QBs in the league. Wilson was certainly not bad (clearly among the top ten), but was not in the top tier either.

Seahawks management has shown a willingness to package picks to move up in the draft and get a player they want. Off the top of my head, both of the Seahawks top two wide receivers were drafted that way, and so was their punter. If Seahawks management beiieved drafting one of the top QBs in the draft would have given them a better chance at success than staying with Geno Smith, they had the draft capital to do that in 2023 and possibly even in 2022. I believe they didn't do it because they analyzed the possibilities and concluded that more picks and Smith was better for the team's success than fewer picks, a top rookie QB prospect, and the cap savings in 2024 from having a rookie QB instead of Smith. This year, there wouldn't be much cap savings, because Smith's cap number this season is only about $3.2M more than Bryce Young's (#1 overall pick) and about $5.2M more than Witherspoon's (#5 overall pick).

 

[pittpnthrs]

The next two games should be wins and a chance to pad some stats......It gets tough after that.

The Browns just beat San Fran and your chalking that one up as a win? They have the best defense in the league. Arizona isnt a give me either. Seattle will be lucky to win either of those games.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Geno Smith broke the Seahawks (R Wilson) single season passing record
In his first season as starter, he also broke completion % and single season
completions. Now you see why your boy #3 came back much too early from his jacked up finger.

For all the football knowledge you have,
You don't mention G Smith playing with a majority substitute line and how that effected his play, timing , eternal clock.
Cincinnati was able to get pressure mainly with a front 4 . That was the game.

I don't think Geno Smith called the goal line plays but he's getting the blame for them not working.

Wilson more than likely wins that game. Just saying.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Missed an easy TD to JSN on the 2nd to last drive. He ran for the first down after what I thought at the time was staring down the primary receiver... But looking at the all 22 just now it would seem like JSN was the primary receiver... Terrible decision here by Geno

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Thanks for sharing this. He also missed a wide open DK for a TD. And another play, Tyler was wide open. And I'm not buying this he was under pressure crap. Not on the 3 wide open TD's. Look at that, GENO IS LOOKING RIGHT AT JSN. How in the hell do you not throw that EASY touchdown. That likely cost them the game.
Yeah, look how "under pressure" he is on this EASY TOUCHDOWN.