Pete Carroll Philosophy

[BlueTalon]

1995 under Barry Switzer. You didnt see the Cowboys clamoring to keep him when he resigned 3 years later.

Like I said, nostalgia only goes so far.

I think you missed his point. Switzer probably had a chorus of Cowboys fans calling for him to be replaced, probably with many of the same arguments we see here about Pete. But when they got what they wanted, they didn't want what they got.

 

[chris98251]

Pete game day management has always been suspect many times almost emotional reactions, Holmgren got predictable, Knox he didn't trust his QB to win and would wait till desperation to allow him to play and win. The best coaches we have had always have a flaw to a certain degree.

 

[Year of The Hawk]

Yes we will.

Credit to Geno for the season he had last year, but his weaknesses and limitations were still clearly evident.

Clearly evident??? Every player has flaws and it seems like you only see those instead of any positives. Do you have or have you ever had anything positive to say about the Seahawks (except maybe when they won the Super Bowl)?

 

[pittpnthrs]

Clearly evident??? Every player has flaws and it seems like you only see those instead of any positives. Do you have or have you ever had anything positive to say about the Seahawks (except maybe when they won the Super Bowl)?

The idolization of Smith around here makes me think a lot of people forget about his flaws. When the QB of the team I like has flaws like turning the ball over in vital situations and being unable to win when coming from behind, its an issue.

When Geno and Carroll get the team past a second round post season game, i'll have plenty of positive things to say.

 

[Year of The Hawk]

The idolization of Smith around here makes me think a lot of people forget about his flaws. When the QB of the team I like has flaws like turning the ball over in vital situations and being unable to win when coming from behind, its an issue.

When Geno and Carroll get the team past a second round post season game, i'll have plenty of positive things to say.

Fair enough. He did have a decent season last year despite his flaws. Here is hoping.

 

[Hockey Guy]

The inability to come from behind narrative about Geno is overblown because I believe that had way more to do with the defense not being able to stop anyone than any shortcomings on the offense.

Geno does have his flaws though but hopefully the Oline holds up & his new weapons, JSN & Charbonet, gel nicely with his old weapons & are able to hide them or at least minimize them. A defensive stop once in awhile would also be helpful.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

I'm pretty much wait and see concerning Geno I'm just hoping he doesn't have a regression. If not we should win 10-11 games.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

As good or better than last season, and we have a legit shot to finally make it deep in to the playoffs. Wait and see indeed. When he's on, he's damn good.

 

[CallMeADawg]

The idolization of Smith around here makes me think a lot of people forget about his flaws. When the QB of the team I like has flaws like turning the ball over in vital situations and being unable to win when coming from behind, its an issue.

When Geno and Carroll get the team past a second round post season game, i'll have plenty of positive things to say.

I can find tape of any top end QB making mistakes. I can also find tape of our defense absolutely imploding after Geno brought us back. It's all about proper analysis and not just knee jerk reactions and recency bias.

Wasted words, on the king of myopic takes and biased opinions around here though.

 

[CallMeADawg]

I'm pretty much wait and see concerning Geno I'm just hoping he doesn't have a regression. If not we should win 10-11 games.

That's fair. I expect to see Geno improve across his game in 2023. Last year to me is his minimum bar. He can do better, and there's enough tape that proves he can do it. Tape from last year and tape from West Virginia especially. I think Pete and John did a great job getting him the supporting cast needed to help move Geno's game forward.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Come on man. I realize Geno had a good season. But, he made SEVERAL throws that should have been picked. Just because a bunch were dropped, doesn't mean they didn't happen. Questioning his decision making and/or ability to win the big games doesn't make someone a hater etc.
I suspect he will have a hell of a season. But there's nothing wrong with being cautiously optimistic about a guy who has had ONE good season. Since when is it not ok to have any concerns about a QB? It's part of the position. He's damn good when he's on. But it is yet to be seen if he his clutch when it matters. Well, we're going to find out.

butthurt responses in 3......2......1........ (lighten up, it's a joke)

 

[CallMeADawg]

Come on man. I realize Geno had a good season. But, he made SEVERAL throws that should have been picked. Just because a bunch were dropped, doesn't mean they didn't happen. Questioning his decision making and/or ability to win the big games doesn't make someone a hater etc.
I suspect he will have a hell of a season. But there's nothing wrong with being cautiously optimistic about a guy who has had ONE good season. Since when is it not ok to have any concerns about a QB? It's part of the position. He's damn good when he's on. But it is yet to be seen if he his clutch when it matters. Well, we're going to find out.

butthurt responses in 3......2......1........ (lighten up, it's a joke)

Many quarterbacks, even the elite, make throws that should have been picked. While I'm not disagreeing with you that Geno should work to drive those as far down as possible, I think people that keep calling this out are overreacting when it comes to Geno and this stat. He's not alone when it comes to that. That isn't an aberration that is somehow unique to Geno. But you wouldn't know that based on how some sound off here about it.

 

[BASF]

Many quarterbacks, even the elite, make throws that should have been picked. While I'm not disagreeing with you that Geno should work to drive those as far down as possible, I think people that keep calling this out are overreacting when it comes to Geno and this stat. He's not alone when it comes to that. That isn't an aberration that is somehow unique to Geno. But you wouldn't know that based on how some sound off here about it.

It is very interesting that so many people keep bringing up how he had the most turnover worthy throws in 2022. I can't find any chart or page on PFF to back that up. It seems to stem from them and only them, so maybe it is proprietary information, but you can find the charts for previous years. I also found it interesting that according to PFF, Prescott should not have had interceptions, because six of them were not turnover worthy throws. It is obviously a flawed stat as it is entirely subjective to the observers.

 

[Lagartixa]

The idolization of Smith around here makes me think a lot of people forget about his flaws. When the QB of the team I like has flaws like turning the ball over in vital situations

Like, say, at the goal line late in the fourth quarter of a Super Bowl when down by four points?

and being unable to win when coming from behind, its an issue.

Unable to win when coming from behind? Geno Smith has led the league in game-winning drives. And there were examples last season when Smith helped get the Seahawks the lead, only for the defense to squander it. Even so, he had three game-winning drives.

When Geno and Carroll get the team past a second round post season game, i'll have plenty of positive things to say.

Color me skeptical.

 

[Appyhawk]

Seems like QBs are credited for bad throws every time a pass goes incomplete. Many such passes are due to receiver error, or just bad luck (trips, stumbles, uncalled defensive penalties, etc). Lots of perfectly thrown passes turn in to "bad throws" due to missed timing which can happen AFTER the ball is thrown. QBs are tagged with every interception, including tipped balls the receiver simply did not catch properly.
There has never been a QB born that didn't have "flaws" and/or limitations, same as receivers, and same as pessimists that only remember unsuccessful attempts.
70% is a high completion rate for any QB.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

That was six years ago. Any other hand picked stats you want to throw out there?

The ease at which you move your Pete hating goalposts anytime someone corrects your incorrect bad takes is dizzying.

This is what you said;

Carroll did it once and hasent been able to replicate or even put a decent defense on the field since.

The fact is he did do it more than once, six times in the past 10 years. And as far as winning, playoff berths and any other winning type metric, only the Patriots and Belichick have had more success than Pete and the Hawks, and only the Packers in the NFC have more division titles.

Honestly, the only difference I see in the Hawks and Patriots and Packers is we've had the Rams and Niners in our division, and they've beat the hell out of dumpster fires in their division giving them more home field advantages.

Your "what have you done for me lately" Pete hate act is tiresome pitt, it really is. If it held even a little water I'd allow it. But it doesn't. None.

 

[pittpnthrs]

It is very interesting that so many people keep bringing up how he had the most turnover worthy throws in 2022. I can't find any chart or page on PFF to back that up. It seems to stem from them and only them, so maybe it is proprietary information, but you can find the charts for previous years. I also found it interesting that according to PFF, Prescott should not have had interceptions, because six of them were not turnover worthy throws. It is obviously a flawed stat as it is entirely subjective to the observers.

Its not just throws its the fumbles. One doesnt need PFF to know its common with Geno. Just watch the games.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Like, say, at the goal line late in the fourth quarter of a Super Bowl when down by four points?



Unable to win when coming from behind? Geno Smith has led the league in game-winning drives. And there were examples last season when Smith helped get the Seahawks the lead, only for the defense to squander it. Even so, he had three game-winning drives.



Color me skeptical.

what? He had ONE game winning drive last season.

 

[pittpnthrs]

The fact is he did do it more than once, six times in the past 10 years. And as far as winning, playoff berths and any other winning type metric, only the Patriots and Belichick have had more success than Pete and the Hawks, and only the Packers in the NFC have more division titles.

Honestly, the only difference I see in the Hawks and Patriots and Packers is we've had the Rams and Niners in our division, and they've beat the hell out of dumpster fires in their division giving them more home field advantages.

Your "what have you done for me lately" Pete hate act is tiresome pitt, it really is. If it held even a little water I'd allow it. But it doesn't. None.

He hasent done it since 2017 and its only regressed from there. As for the playoffs, hasent made it past the 2nd round since 2014. Honestly, with the appearances since then, a team should be able to do that by accident.

The difference between the Hawks and the Patriots and Packers is that they actually advance in the post season and the Hawks dont. I believe the coach has more to do with that than regular season records.

I understand its tiresome to you. Why, because its gone on for a long time. That should actually tell you something.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Like, say, at the goal line late in the fourth quarter of a Super Bowl when down by four points?



Unable to win when coming from behind? Geno Smith has led the league in game-winning drives. And there were examples last season when Smith helped get the Seahawks the lead, only for the defense to squander it. Even so, he had three game-winning drives.



Color me skeptical.

He had ONE come from behind win last season.

Led the league in game winning drives? So nobody in the league had two or more? Color me skeptical.