Pete Carroll discussing“The Play”

[ZagHawk]

Yes, I want this discussion to finally die but this is actually the first time that I’ve seen Pete talking somewhat in depth about what happened. I find it interesting that he says something like “the play callers” to describe who called the play. In my opinion after watching this., this was definitely 100% Darrell Bevell who made that call. I thought it beforehand as well, but this pretty much solidifies it for me.

As they said at the end and as I’ve been saying all these years, Malcolm Butler made an unbelievable play, which was and should’ve been the story of that play instead of the actual call itself.

I'm beating a dead horse here, but it truly was a perfect storm or story (depending on how you want to view it).

I don't think it's fair to put all the credit or blame on any one individual.

Blame:
Russ - Did not audible out
Bevell - Made the play call and also played into Belichicks hand
Pete - HC confirms/allows the play call and also played into Belichicks hand
LOB - Allowed Tom Brady to come back. Not enough blame is put here at all. If this is the best defense in the NFL...a historic defense, they allowed Brady to score 14 points on them in the 4th quarter.
Seahawks Offense - Did not convert on prior 3rd down series to burn clock, possibly get a FG and not allow Tom to come back
Beast - Historically was not a guarantee at 1st and goal through the year, which helped Bevell decide to go a different direction
Kearse - Dropped 3rd pass on prior series. Did not execute his jam of Butler at all for the final play

Credit:
Browner - Saw the play and prevented Kearse from jamming Butler
Butler - Executed
Brady/Patriot Offense - Came back from a serious deficit in the 4th quarter against the best defense in the NFL?!?
Belichick - Saw the Seahawks driving and opted NOT to call his own timeout, forcing the Seahawks to do a predictable pass play.
Patriot defense - Blanked out the Seahawks the entire 4th quarter
Edelman - Not enough credit given here, he took a HUGE hit from Kam, held onto the ball and kept on going and converted and stayed in the game. Kam normally sets the tone when he does a big hit and Edelman was the one person who shut that tone down for a game. Hit me...I'm gonna keep going, I/we are not afraid of the LOB.

 

[strohmin]

I’ve said it before, what gets totally lost in that is Bill Belichick‘s not calling a time out. If Seattle scores a touchdown there, there would be almost as much heat on him as there was on the Seahawks. It made absolutely no sense to not call a timeout because you have to assume that Seattle is scoring a touchdown there and preserve as much clock as possible. He’ll claim that he did it to put the pressure on Seattle, but I don’t believe it for a second.

Well Pete proved him right by calling the timeout for him. Pete was such a failure at game management during crunch time. Tom Brady may have been responsible for alot of the patriots success but Bill was excellent at game time decisions during crunch time.

 

[strohmin]

I'm beating a dead horse here, but it truly was a perfect storm or story (depending on how you want to view it).

I don't think it's fair to put all the credit or blame on any one individual.

Blame:
Russ - Did not audible out
Bevell - Made the play call and also played into Belichicks hand
Pete - HC confirms/allows the play call and also played into Belichicks hand
LOB - Allowed Tom Brady to come back. Not enough blame is put here at all. If this is the best defense in the NFL...a historic defense, they allowed Brady to score 14 points on them in the 4th quarter.
Seahawks Offense - Did not convert on prior 3rd down series to burn clock, possibly get a FG and not allow Tom to come back
Beast - Historically was not a guarantee at 1st and goal through the year, which helped Bevell decide to go a different direction
Kearse - Dropped 3rd pass on prior series. Did not execute his jam of Butler at all for the final play

Credit:
Browner - Saw the play and prevented Kearse from jamming Butler
Butler - Executed
Brady/Patriot Offense - Came back from a serious deficit in the 4th quarter against the best defense in the NFL?!?
Belichick - Saw the Seahawks driving and opted NOT to call his own timeout, forcing the Seahawks to do a predictable pass play.
Patriot defense - Blanked out the Seahawks the entire 4th quarter
Edelman - Not enough credit given here, he took a HUGE hit from Kam, held onto the ball and kept on going and converted and stayed in the game. Kam normally sets the tone when he does a big hit and Edelman was the one person who shut that tone down for a game. Hit me...I'm gonna keep going, I/we are not afraid of the LOB.

Pete is 100% to blame for the after math of that play. He basically tried to brush it off as if stuff like that happens all the time. LOB was pretty much hurt and Kam was hurt because of a dumbass walkthrough by Pete that they never ever did before until that one game. Russ only targeted Baldwin once all game even though he was destroying Revis. Brady was targeting Tharold Simon all game who is not part of the LOB. Pete's dumbass defensive scheme had KJ wright covering Gronk on deep routes. Cliff Avril was hurt who was causing havoc all game so our pass rush went to shit. Giving the ball to beast mode would not have been a bad call because you are putting the ball in the hands of your best offensive player who you know is going to fight with everything he has to get in. If you didn't want to give the ball to Beast mode then you could have called a play for Doug Baldwin or used a friggin play action pass. Why would run a play that would require Kearse to Jam Browner and your 6th or so wide receiver in Ricardo Lockette be the recipient of the most important pass in the history of the game.


All the worst things about Pete were exposed that day and he has not recovered since.

 

[IndyHawk]

Pete is 100% to blame for the after math of that play. He basically tried to brush it off as if stuff like that happens all the time. LOB was pretty much hurt and Kam was hurt because of a dumbass walkthrough by Pete that they never ever did before until that one game. Russ only targeted Baldwin once all game even though he was destroying Revis. Brady was targeting Tharold Simon all game who is not part of the LOB. Pete's dumbass defensive scheme had KJ wright covering Gronk on deep routes. Cliff Avril was hurt who was causing havoc all game so our pass rush went to shit. Giving the ball to beast mode would not have been a bad call because you are putting the ball in the hands of your best offensive player who you know is going to fight with everything he has to get in. If you didn't want to give the ball to Beast mode then you could have called a play for Doug Baldwin or used a friggin play action pass. Why would run a play that would require Kearse to Jam Browner and your 6th or so wide receiver in Ricardo Lockette be the recipient of the most important pass in the history of the game.


All the worst things about Pete were exposed that day and he has not recovered since.

Look at Pete now, trying to throw Chip Kelly under the bus,
some things never change.
I agree with using Baldwin if your passing and Doug has come
out and said he was open the whole game. (Sad)
I change my blame to (Me3 and Pete)

 

[oldhawkfan]

So grateful for this thread. Now can we also start one to dredge up XL BS?

 

[seahawks08]

Play calling was fine, execution and personnel grouping was wrong. Strong WRs leverage their body to protect the ball. Butler jumped but an experienced receiver like a TE or a WR1 or 2 would never allow a jump ball. You go, turn and collapse the space between your body and ball. The ball needed a little more zip but not a bad call. Not the right grouping.

 

[seabowl]

No it just looks like me and it was exactly my reaction to the play. It was from a YouTube reaction video

Every time I see your avatar, it reminds me of a young Gronk

 

[pittpnthrs]

LOB - Allowed Tom Brady to come back. Not enough blame is put here at all. If this is the best defense in the NFL...a historic defense, they allowed Brady to score 14 points on them in the 4th quarter.

The entire secondary was hurt. Hurt to the extent that Thomas, Sherm, and Kam shouldn't have even been out there. How can you throw shade at them as if they were perfectly healthy? Seattle shouldn't have even been in that game all things considered. They played their hearts out, but were just to banged up to get to their spots. To even having a chance to win in the end was miraculous and losing like they did was made even more heartbreaking because of the effort they gave.

 

[Y.A. Tittle]

It keeps coming back to Bevell, Pete took the heat for years but the circle or noose tightens around Bevell. We mostly thought it was that anyway, when he threw Lockette under the bus it was a classic deflection move.

I don’t believe everything Pete says … he’s told Vegas reporters that he stepped away from the Seahawks because he wanted to give JS a chance to call the shots. Sure, Pete, anything you say.

 

[GemCity]

Pete is 100% to blame for the after math of that play. He basically tried to brush it off as if stuff like that happens all the time. LOB was pretty much hurt and Kam was hurt because of a dumbass walkthrough by Pete that they never ever did before until that one game. Russ only targeted Baldwin once all game even though he was destroying Revis. Brady was targeting Tharold Simon all game who is not part of the LOB. Pete's dumbass defensive scheme had KJ wright covering Gronk on deep routes. Cliff Avril was hurt who was causing havoc all game so our pass rush went to shit. Giving the ball to beast mode would not have been a bad call because you are putting the ball in the hands of your best offensive player who you know is going to fight with everything he has to get in. If you didn't want to give the ball to Beast mode then you could have called a play for Doug Baldwin or used a friggin play action pass. Why would run a play that would require Kearse to Jam Browner and your 6th or so wide receiver in Ricardo Lockette be the recipient of the most important pass in the history of the game.


All the worst things about Pete were exposed that day and he has not recovered since.

I love PC but, I can’t argue against this.

 

[strohmin]

I don’t believe everything Pete says … he’s told Vegas reporters that he stepped away from the Seahawks because he wanted to give JS a chance to call the shots. Sure, Pete, anything you say.

Yup, The real Pete and Russell we all respected died the moment that play was called. Pete was 100% canned and Jody Allen deserves all the credit in the world for how she handled Russ and Pete's departures.